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DrEiak
Amarr
IONSTAR
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:41:00 -
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I dont even have anything left to say. As long as the devs ignore the problems with amarr I will make new threads talking about these problems. All I have left is the resume for amarrian ships:
BEST QUALITIES: armor, powergrid, 2nd best sig radius.
WORST QUALITIES: worst DPS, 2nd worst tank, 2nd worse speed, 2nd worse drone bay, worse damage options (ew/therm least amount of missles, 2nd worse drone bay), worst EW, worst sensor strength, worst range options (shortest range longrange), longest range (lowest DPS) shortrange. 2nd worse tracking speeds, worst fitting variations, cap usage/dependancy, cost in T2 ammo.
I can think of ONE thing to NOT fume about and that is that in fleet combat armor repair isnt that important, so having 25% boost to resistances CAN work over gallente 7.5% armor rep bonus, regardless, the gallente bonus is better for a true tank, and in fleet combat, it rarely matters what kind of tank you have, DPS wins, and thus gallente still have the advantage.
Feel free to post whatever you want, it doesnt change the fact that amarr suck. True I am not going to train some other race, or quit eve, but that doesnt mean I shouldnt voice my concerns and suffer because the devs have pretty graphs that have NOTHING to do with real combat....
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:46:00 -
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Have you tried playing on SiSi yet? The Abbadon kicks ass.
Amarr are fine.
Just learn to fit them better and it'll be fine. They might need a buff, but its not that serious.
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rafein on 23/11/2006 18:48:36
There is no possible way Amarr have worst EW.
3rd worst, I'll give ya, for tracking disrupters less useful than target painters? 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:03:00 -
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 Originally by: DrEiak
Feel free to post whatever you want, it doesnt change the fact that amarr suck.
Curse.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Kharakan
Amarr
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:03:00 -
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Additionally, tux can be quoted as saying they're discussing giving amarr some Oomph. Hang in there buddy! 
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
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Kirov VIII
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:08:00 -
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Quote:
Have you tried playing on SiSi yet? The Abbadon kicks ass.
There are not only ONE SHIP !!!
There are : fregate, cruiser, battleship, interceptor, ...
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Electric Cucumber
Amarr
coracao ardente
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Electric Cucumber on 23/11/2006 19:12:41
Originally by: Kirov VIII
Quote:
Have you tried playing on SiSi yet? The Abbadon kicks ass.
There are not only ONE SHIP !!!
There are : fregate, cruiser, battleship, interceptor, ...
punisher,arbitrator,maller,curse/pilgrim,zealot,harbinger,armageddon,abaddon,retribution,crusader are all good ships.
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Neesa Corrinne
Ordo Adeptus Astartes
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:17:00 -
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I agree that certain amarr ship's are very underpowered in comparison to other ships in the same class, however, I would like to add that the Pilgrim and Curse are two of the best ships in the game.
The Pilgrim is a solo pwnmobile and the Curse is a small gang's wet dream.
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: DrEiak
I dont even have anything left to say. As long as the devs ignore the problems with amarr I will make new threads talking about these problems. All I have left is the resume for amarrian ships:
BEST QUALITIES: armor, powergrid, 2nd best sig radius.
WORST QUALITIES: worst DPS, 2nd worst tank, 2nd worse speed, 2nd worse drone bay, worse damage options (ew/therm least amount of missles, 2nd worse drone bay), worst EW, worst sensor strength, worst range options (shortest range longrange), longest range (lowest DPS) shortrange. 2nd worse tracking speeds, worst fitting variations, cap usage/dependancy, cost in T2 ammo.
I can think of ONE thing to NOT fume about and that is that in fleet combat armor repair isnt that important, so having 25% boost to resistances CAN work over gallente 7.5% armor rep bonus, regardless, the gallente bonus is better for a true tank, and in fleet combat, it rarely matters what kind of tank you have, DPS wins, and thus gallente still have the advantage.
Feel free to post whatever you want, it doesnt change the fact that amarr suck. True I am not going to train some other race, or quit eve, but that doesnt mean I shouldnt voice my concerns and suffer because the devs have pretty graphs that have NOTHING to do with real combat....
You're wrong, let's see now. . .
worst DPS - Wrong
2nd worst tank - Wrong
2nd worse speed - Wrong
2nd worse drone bay - Wrong
worse damage options (ew/therm least amount of missles) - True Enough
worst EW - Wrong
worst sensor strength - True, but very minor
worst range options (shortest range longrange) - Just about give you that
longest range (lowest DPS) shortrange - Again just about
2nd worse tracking speeds - OK, but that's hardly a big issue
worst fitting variations - Wrong
cap usage/dependancy - True
cost in T2 ammo - So minor as to be completely insignificant, especially as we have the cheapest large T2 guns.
*sigh
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Levin Cavil
Omniscient Order
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Levin Cavil on 23/11/2006 19:41:08
The Armageddon is one of the best small gang based battleships in the game. It's relatively cheap and does great dps. The Zealot is a fine HAC, I've seen them solo ravens easily. The amarr battlecruisers are excellent, uber damage from the Absolution and armor tanking gangmods anyone? The Crusader/Malediction are both excellent ceptors. Cheap and very effective. It's been a long time since I've flown an Amarr cruiser or frigate in PvP but I've seen the punisher used to great success and the arbitrator seems to be a very popular ship. In my personal experience a Maller can pretty much solo any spawn in 0.0 (given time). Seems to me that the amarr have pretty useful ships in every ship class.
I really don't see what the problem is with Amarr. Just do as my sig says and you'll be fine :D
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Kinomoto Sakura
Amarr
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:51:00 -
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The abaddon is a good ship but it's cap runs out way to fast, it needs some loving, the retribution is a kick ass ship, I just wish it had a second mid slot, hehe.
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PirateShampoo
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.11.23 19:58:00 -
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It could b worse, you could speaciize in Minmatar...
Oh wait we have the vagabond 
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.23 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 23/11/2006 20:08:15
It's funny, the players who play only Amarr predict as much doom and destruction as the Amarr storyline has them do.
Thanks for fitting right in with your role folks.
I own an Amarr-specced char with 46 million skill points, 11.5 of which are in gunnery. I've taken him onto SiSi, fought against similarly-skilled players in the other new ships, and I've kicked butt.
So frankly, I think you're full of it.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.11.23 20:32:00 -
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I think we just dont see the EW coming from the geddons because of the whole 3 midslot thing, but thats not that bad because i can tank lvl 4 mission with my apoc with only 3 mil sp. Granted i cant put out the damage to kill that much at 3 mil skillpoints but when i finish my learning set im going to go back to gunnery and boost my dps with t2 turrets.
I wonder, if we skilled all the damage skill up to 5 and gimped out an abaddon to fit 8 tachs, i wonder what kind of alpha strike and dps we would have.
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GrumpyCat
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Posted - 2006.11.23 20:46:00 -
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Give me better tracking on pulse lasers and i'll be happy with amarr. With 3 mids, being forced to fit a webber blows. Also giving amarr some more pg would be great too, so you don't need AWU IV or a RCU to fit most of the ships.
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Kharakan
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.11.23 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 23/11/2006 20:08:15
It's funny, the players who play only Amarr predict as much doom and destruction as the Amarr storyline has them do.
Thanks for fitting right in with your role folks.
I own an Amarr-specced char with 46 million skill points, 11.5 of which are in gunnery. I've taken him onto SiSi, fought against similarly-skilled players in the other new ships, and I've kicked butt.
So frankly, I think you're full of it.
I only play amarr. I can't count that many OHNOEZ WE R DOOMEDZ posts from me
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Qwakrz
Minmatar
The Unit - Deep space EVE
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: PirateShampoo
It could b worse, you could speaciize in Minmatar...
It could be alot worse, you could be Minmatar and specialise in Amarr...
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: PirateShampoo
It could b worse, you could speaciize in Minmatar...
Oh wait we have the vagabond
Yeah...what a choice...but at least Kali is going to take us the need for a big alpha...
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:23:00 -
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kali is not really the end of amarr. sure we suffer a bit more from some of the changes but we're still not entirely useless.
- we finally get a good t1 battlecruiser so thats a huge plus.
- the abaddon is a really unneeded addition to our fleet but its still not completely worthless. for some situations it will perform as a better geddon/apoc.
- the hp-boost will add yet another disadvantage to lasers but they arent all that great to begin with anyway and we're supposedly scheduled for some mystery "oomph".
- ecm getting moved to caldari only doesnt really help but with any luck some more people will stick ecm-upgrades in their lows now instead of armor plates.
- armortankers get shafted with speedrigs but we get to use ewar rigs without any real penalty in return.
- lots of general improvements which everyone gets to enjoy.
- propably some other points i missed now
sure kali doesnt look all that great for amarr and contains loads of dissappointment but we're not yet completely done.
personally i prefer to fly cruiser sized ships and as long as they dont go and nerf the arbi i'm going to be fine. with any luck tuxford gets someone with a bit more imagination to help him with the "oomph" and there will be a reason to pick an omen or maller over the arbi sometime in the future. maybe even find a way to make the prophecy useful with the harbinger out.
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:49:00 -
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No, you're right. Kali isn't the end of Amarr. Still doesn't change the fact that Amarr are pretty low on the food-chain compared to other races. In fact, one could even go as far to place Minmatar above us (as many guys on the scrapheap-challenge would agree).
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Red Storm Vendetta
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Posted - 2006.11.23 21:52:00 -
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Oh boo hoo boo, did you make a mess in your nappy? Awwww
On the otherhand, one of the races being killed off might not be a bad thing, mabye then there will be room in the database for the Jove ;)
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Cattraknoff
Caldari
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.23 22:10:00 -
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I've flown amarr for a very long time.
They really aren't as gimped as you think, they have several very good ships, even if you don't include the recons.
The abbadon will also simply rock.
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.23 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cattraknoff
I've flown amarr for a very long time.
They really aren't as gimped as you think, they have several very good ships, even if you don't include the recons.
The abbadon will also simply rock.
I approve of your signature.
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.23 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kirov VIII
Quote:
Have you tried playing on SiSi yet? The Abbadon kicks ass.
There are not only ONE SHIP !!!
There are : fregate, cruiser, battleship, interceptor, ...
Note the word Kali in the topic title.
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Rautha Harkonnen
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2006.11.23 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rautha Harkonnen on 23/11/2006 23:45:46
who is this crazy idiot? Amarr are awesome.
u just dont want to admit it lol.
lasers 4tw!
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2006.11.24 01:16:00 -
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Who cares about Amarr, i know i dont mwaahahah.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.11.24 01:49:00 -
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Man i'm really sick of the Amarr threads, try actually fitting your ship properly.
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DrEiak
Amarr
IONSTAR
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Posted - 2006.11.24 05:38:00 -
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if by properly you mean autocannons go **** yourself
And if your gonna bag then proove it, I have like 10 threads of crunched numbers ect. I am getting tired of being overlooked. Sure the curse is a good ship, but it also is one of the few that doesnt have the 10% laser cap reduction bonus on it because it doesnt need it. AND YES amarr DO have worst EW capabilities because none of our ships have enough mid slots to use EW as effectivly as minnies. ***** about target painters all you want, you still get more mid slots to fit ECM, and you have bigger drone bays on average.
ALSO autocannons have the highest damage output per gun, and the lowest fitting requirements, why do you think so many amarr pilots are turning to autocannons?
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.11.24 05:50:00 -
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I hate my Absolution. There is always like 500pg and 100 cpu left after fitting uber tank/gank fit. Am I doing something wrong? I naturally have AWU lvl5 .. or are you nub who flies amarr without one?
"It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
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DrEiak
Amarr
IONSTAR
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Posted - 2006.11.24 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
I hate my Absolution. There is always like 500pg and 100 cpu left after fitting uber tank/gank fit. Am I doing something wrong? I naturally have AWU lvl5 .. or are you nub who flies amarr without one?
Learn to read then flame, if you looked a little closer I was referring to CRUISERS not BATTLECRUISERS, the battlecruisers are much easier to fit, try fitting an omen or maller halfway decently FIRST without using autocannons or frigate sized weaponry.
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