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RuSBO Amarr SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2006.11.24 07:14:00 - [1] Does it most weak BC in Kali ? Im tested it against other tier2 BC - no chance.. may be troub in a fit? __________________ NPC Hunter.
kill0rbunny Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2006.11.24 07:26:00 - [2] If you really fitted mining lasers maybe that is the reason you lost. _____________________________ Hugh.
RuSBO Amarr SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2006.11.24 07:53:00 - [3] No I am fitted high 7xheavy beam laser II med:1xSBII 1xTCII 2xCRII low:3xHSII 2xTEII EANMII IFF Dam control. and 7xFocused Medium Beam laser II med 1xSB 2xCRII 1x10Mn AB low 2xHSII , 800mm RT plate, EANMII, Kinetic hardener II , Med repII __________________ NPC Hunter.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.11.24 08:04:00 - [4] bleh, beams. ---------------- Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it!
Lifeguard Hoff	Posted - 2006.11.24 08:04:00 - [5] Cap rechargers in a combat fit... no wonder you lose. You fail.
Yarek Balear The Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.24 08:13:00 - [6] I'll try and be constructive, but your fittings are a bit funky, particularly for Kali... Remember Kali places much more focus on tank. In your first setup you have none. No plate, no repper = dead BC unless you're in a gang and don't care, but it sounds like you tried this 1v1... Your second setup is moving in the right direction, but still you have one rep, one plate and are placing too much emphasis on damage rather than ability to take it for a 1v1 setup. You might be right in it being too difficult to fit much else in this setup though, but haven't tried myself so can't comment.
RuSBO Amarr SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2006.11.24 08:53:00 - [7] first: not combat , just test damage vs damage. second: Harbinger doesnt have bonus on resist or rep amount, so balance tank\damage on this ship worst in kali. today i trying with pulse and tanking - no effect, place here RIGHT fit, guys, if you sured about im wrong. __________________ NPC Hunter.
RuSBO Amarr SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2006.11.24 08:57:00 - [8] So what ? laserve devours capacitor + you proposed 2 reps cargohold 350m2 - not enough for cap boosters =) - this is not pvp ship at least. (compare with myrmidon,drake,hurricane,prophecy,ferox,brutix) __________________ NPC Hunter.
Grytok	Posted - 2006.11.24 10:09:00 - [9] Put a decent Tank instead of going for the highest DPS. I tested the Harbinger with: Highs: 7x Beams/Pulses Meds: 3x CapRecharger + Whatever you prefer (SensorBooster not necessary in my Oppinion) Lows: MAR, EANM, 3x Hardener, Plate, Heatsink Works quiet good for me. .
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.11.24 10:46:00 - [10] Edited by: keepiru on 24/11/2006 10:46:40 Originally by: RuSBO cargohold 350m2 - not enough for cap boosters =) Its plenty. Other ships have a bigger cargo bay but also have ammo that gets used up fast and takes up space. I have a number of rather effective setups which I will use after Tuesday, they all involve pulses, and none of them has even the slightest shade of a passive cap module. Perhaps you cant compete with the other BCs because they accept the fact that they can only fit 10-12 cap 800s just like you and use their other slots effectively? Food for thought... Oh and gank ships die in kali, every single time. ---------------- Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it!
Lord Infy Amarr Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.11.24 11:24:00 - [11] 7 x heavy pulse laser II w/ conflag 1 x 10mn mwd 1 x 7.5km scrambler 1 x stasis web 1 x something else to a lonely mid slot 3 x Heat Sink II 3 x Nanofiber Internal Structure 5 x tech2 medium drones Get to close hugging range and unleash h***
Kalek Astroth Amarr The Electrocuted	Posted - 2006.11.24 11:48:00 - [12] it s a nice ship , but pls go for 8 heavy pulse mwd and 1 rep
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.11.24 12:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Kalek Astroth it s a nice ship , but pls go for 8 heavy pulse mwd and 1 rep harbinger has 7 turrets Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Albert Anastacia	Posted - 2006.11.24 13:11:00 - [14] I never understood MWDs on Amarr ships, you have no short range guns. Why would you need to get into blaster optimal?
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.24 13:52:00 - [15] Where did you get the idea that the Harbinger is the worst tier 2 BC in Kali? TBH I think they are all even. They all have their weaknesses and their Strenghts.
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:09:00 - [16] Originally by: RuSBO Does it most weak BC in Kali ? Im tested it against other tier2 BC - no chance.. may be troub in a fit? mybe fit gunns ?? harbinger is now one of the best Amarr ships out there imo... dmg boni and cap boni
Ricky Baby The Kennels	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:22:00 - [17] harb is an ace ship, 7 heavy pulse II, ab II. web. disrupter, RD, MAR II, IFF, 2 heatsinks II, energised adap nano and a expl hard rips through stuff and is fairly strong -------------------------------------
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:29:00 - [18] I would drop some heavy pulses to fit injector: guns (mix of heavy pulse/focused pulse) mwd/web/scram/injector dual rep/2x eanm/2x heatsink Dont remember values now - but might need to drop most guns to focused but should fit.
Itaro Flagg The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:40:00 - [19] Reading through this thread, I can understand now why Amarr whine about their ships. It's because they have no idea how to fit them. At all. The harbinger is a beast of a ship. 7x pulse, mwd, injector + plated to hell. Scary ship, if you know how to fly it.
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:10:00 - [20] Hope you know that with 7x heavy pulses + injector + mwd you have almost no grid for anything except 400mm plate (maybe barely will fit 800mm... again dont remember exact values). Still: 1x 800mm is not "plated to hell" tbh...
Jaded	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Albert Anastacia I never understood MWDs on Amarr ships, you have no short range guns. Why would you need to get into blaster optimal? Perhaps the mwd is for staying out of range..? Good luck keeping someone scrambled without getting webbed, btw. And once you are, there's just no way to escape the nos, drones and blasters.
Niaal	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Riho Originally by: RuSBO Does it most weak BC in Kali ? Im tested it against other tier2 BC - no chance.. may be troub in a fit? mybe fit gunns ?? harbinger is now one of the best Amarr ships out there imo... Yup. But that doesn't say a whole lot..
Frools The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Albert Anastacia I never understood MWDs on Amarr ships, you have no short range guns. Why would you need to get into blaster optimal? lol you do realise that effective range on pulses with conflag is about the same as the effective range on blasters with null right? heavy pulse II with conflag gives about 7km range, if you think you dont need some kind of propulsion mod to close to that range you're an idiot and on the bc a mwd is pretty required as they're incredibly slow even with ab pulses + mwd + injector = win though
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Itaro Flagg Reading through this thread, I can understand now why Amarr whine about their ships. It's because they have no idea how to fit them. At all. The harbinger is a beast of a ship. 7x pulse, mwd, injector + plated to hell. Scary ship, if you know how to fly it. Where plated to hell = one 800mm plate, since that's all that fits? ---------------- Kali ships worth flying left: Harbinger, Rokh. Only 2 left tux, you can make it!
RuSBO Amarr SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2006.11.27 10:36:00 - [25] thnx for replies, guys, explain plz what mean "injector" in med slot? __________________ NPC Hunter.
Dahak2150 HellBrothers Industries	Posted - 2006.11.27 11:57:00 - [26] Somebody explain to me why the "gank" model BC is supposed to not go full gank-light tank. 'Cause that just sounds like bad design to me. If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a better browser.
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.27 12:04:00 - [27] Edited by: Isyel on 27/11/2006 12:04:57 The ONLY way to make a Hurricane work is in pure gank mode. Put repairers on and die painfully for example. Probably same with Harbinger. Funny how the other two 'gank' BCs have monster tanks. No, the Harbinger is NOT the worst BC in revelations. It keeps the company of the new Ducttape Monster. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Might As well Train Another Race

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