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Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:02:00 -
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So, your devpost about the blowing up of things the other day was fun to read, and it occurred to me-- if you guys have access to all the statistical information in EVE, why not make a really cool killboard with it? 3rd party boards are alright, but you guys could run one that was completely accurate and very detailed. |

2SLOW Kado
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:45:00 -
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2nd that.......
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Endovior
Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.12.07 01:19:00 -
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Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.
Not that I agree, but I understand the motivation. I'd recommend that, if something like this were implemented, to make it 'opt-out' rather then 'opt-in'; anyone who cares enough to remove themselves from the central killboard could do so, but the average guy, either not caring or not motivated enough to find and click the appropriate button, would stay there. That would make a better killboard then the current 'opt-in' systems like Battleclinic, which puts up a barrier to entry by requiring that people either post their own mails, or submit API info. Low barrier, I know, but enough to exclude a lot people, who simply don't bother to sign up for any killboards, and thus only show up on the kills of others. |

Cendres Ange
STEMA Traders Inc
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:30:00 -
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If not a complete killboard, It would be fun to have that kind of statistics they posted available and up to date. How many Drakes was shot down last week. How many pilots podded etc etc. Improve sorting of orders
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Rina Asanari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:34:00 -
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Endovior wrote:Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.
Totally second that. To add to this, I'd like an opt-out (or better opt-in) to the "feature" that the CEO has access to the member's killmails and can run a corp kb just by providing his own API key. And the killmails in themselves give way too much info about the victim's loadout and his cargo. |

Jicc
Happy fragles
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:06:00 -
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Why you assume already that it will display all of the data. It could be enough to see how much ships i destroyed and what type, without even displaying who was flying it. Just simple data, but confirmed. And there could be even option that you wont agree to display your data in ladder but i dont know why someone would like to use this. |

Taint
A Pack Of Wolfes
17
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Posted - 2011.12.07 10:24:00 -
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YES Male an killboard, the others suck tbh. |

Chanina
ASGARD HEAVY INDUSTRIES Shadow Coalition
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 10:35:00 -
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Would be nice to see an killboard from ccp.
Concerning privacy: Hey the guy who shot you already has the killmail on you an most likely he is registered to a killboard posting his victim.
If you don't want your CEO to publish corp killmails talk to him or found your own corp. If you don't want to be on a killmail as victim... well avoid to be victim. 99% chance is that your killer is posting it whether you want it or not. So no reason why your ceo should try to hide it. |

GeneralKool
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.07 13:45:00 -
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Chanina wrote:Would be nice to see an killboard from ccp.
Concerning privacy: Hey the guy who shot you already has the killmail on you an most likely he is registered to a killboard posting his victim.
If you don't want your CEO to publish corp killmails talk to him or found your own corp. If you don't want to be on a killmail as victim... well avoid to be victim. 99% chance is that your killer is posting it whether you want it or not. So no reason why your ceo should try to hide it.
This.
There's no hiding your losses in eve, if it were possible, we would not find out about people losing ships full of plexes, or the embarrassed ratting supercaps that get ganked. Privacy really isn't an option here. But it still is a great idea, a CCP killboard is the way forward. The EVE GATE was an amazing success imo, a similar interface for a CCP killboard would be much welcomed. |

Obsidiana
White-Noise
28
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Posted - 2011.12.07 15:01:00 -
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I just would like to see kills and losses, honestly. Namely, what ships are the most used/flown/killing/killed. |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
29
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Posted - 2011.12.07 16:33:00 -
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they could easily integrate the Eve/CCP Killboard into Eve Gate and if people are concerned about privacy then just like other things in EVE GATE you could have options to hide kill/loss details. Same options available to those who are CEO or have director roles of Alliances/Corps for the Ally/Corp Profile. Viola. Wouldnt even take them but maybe a few months to do it and it would be very cool.
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Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:20:00 -
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Regarding privacy, I don't think people should be allowed any kind of "opt out" (especially since such provisions would be more or less useless-- the killer and victim both get the mail), but maybe there could be an opt-in "delay my mails" feature that would keep them (or at least parts of them, like location or attacker's shiptype information) private for up to X hours (user configurable, up to 24hr max perhaps?).
e: The more i think about it, the more I like the above idea. It would be really cool if they could integrate it with EVE Gate so you could choose who gets access to real time kill info (IE my corp, my alliance, my positive contacts list, etc). |

Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
90
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Posted - 2011.12.08 05:57:00 -
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o yes just what eve needs MORE stats for the stat junkys to jerk off to and show all there friends and talk about how epic there K/D ration is or how there winning the isk war even tho they have not managed to flip the station.
YES PLEASE GIVE ME MORE KMs we all need more KMs in a game that has nothing to do with comparing stats,
i did not know EvE had devolved into some kinda sports game where people track there favorite teams stats and brag to there co workers
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2011.12.08 06:47:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:o yes just what eve needs MORE stats for the stat junkys to jerk off to and show all there friends and talk about how epic there K/D ration is or how there winning the isk war even tho they have not managed to flip the station.
YES PLEASE GIVE ME MORE KMs we all need more KMs in a game that has nothing to do with comparing stats,
i did not know EvE had devolved into some kinda sports game where people track there favorite teams stats and brag to there co workers
Spoken like someone without a 5 year kill history to browse through. Nostalgia owns. |

Rina Asanari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.08 07:23:00 -
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Make it configurable. A matrix of...
- Everyone
- positive standing
- +10 standing
- Corp
- Alliance
crossed with
- Immediate
- time-delayed
- full data
- limited data (i.e. only recoverable items)
Given these settings, if CCP decides to run an own killboard/ladder/whatever, it should be treated with the access level "everyone".
Even if I cannot influence the winner posting a full killmail with me being the loser, I really don't want to publicize even more data making my movements/favourite ships and loadouts and whatever even more identifiable.
And before you ask: Yes, I refuse to have a Failbook or Google+ account as well.
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Mindnut
Rockbiter Industries The Chaos Engine
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Posted - 2011.12.08 10:47:00 -
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A Concord killboard where nothing can hide... hmm... +1 Today - The Power of Two Tomorrow - 2 Hulks and an Orca |

Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
91
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:31:00 -
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Mindnut wrote:A Concord killboard where nothing can hide... hmm... +1
because we must know EVERY THING about the people your fighting with 0 work right?
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |

Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2011.12.08 19:32:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Mindnut wrote:A Concord killboard where nothing can hide... hmm... +1 because we must know EVERY THING about the people your fighting with 0 work right?
Because its SO HARD to go look at eve-kill and battleclinic right now you mean? Maybe I just don't want an accurate reference board / don't enjoy posting all my mails 5 times.
Current killboards are accurate enough for making combat judgements. A CCP killboard would be nice because it would have *every* kill-- I just hate flipping through pages on the various boards I'm on and finding that there's a 10% discrepancy between all of them, and its always different mails missing from different boards.
CCP could also do things like provide accurate module pricing instead of having to rely on poorly-functioning api inputs from websites that don't provide totally accurate information to begin with.
Why do you hate the idea of killboards so much Mirima?
e: Nevermind, I get it: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Mirima+Thurander#losses |

GeneralKool
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:38:00 -
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Zakuak
MortuuS MachinA
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Posted - 2011.12.08 21:38:00 -
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oh this would be cool |

Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.12.08 21:50:00 -
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CCP once stated that they really like the information gathering and uncertainities involved in gathering informations right now.
Not having a 100% accurate killboard adds to the experiance, imo.
CCP killboard is not needed. |

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
6
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Posted - 2011.12.08 21:51:00 -
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I would be behind this only if it was opt-IN.
Then again, I'm weird and don't even like that KMs can be API verified. |

Robert Tables
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:28:00 -
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Chanina wrote:Would be nice to see an killboard from ccp.
Concerning privacy: Hey the guy who shot you already has the killmail on you an most likely he is registered to a killboard posting his victim.
If you don't want your CEO to publish corp killmails talk to him or found your own corp. If you don't want to be on a killmail as victim... well avoid to be victim. 99% chance is that your killer is posting it whether you want it or not. So no reason why your ceo should try to hide it. You assume that only the losing party wouldn't want to post a killmail, and that every winning party would/should want to broadcast to the entire EVE Community where, what, and when they operate.
I agree that a central CCP-controlled killboard would be a better solution than the myriad that we have now, but in the end, I think it should be up to each individual if they want to post their particular win or loss report. A given corp or alliance may not want to broadcast every win and so could practice a degree of OPSEC, counter-intel, and information warfare by posting some or none of their killmails. |

Hadez411
ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY
1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:19:00 -
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Endovior wrote:Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.
Not that I agree, but I understand the motivation. I'd recommend that, if something like this were implemented, to make it 'opt-out' rather then 'opt-in'; anyone who cares enough to remove themselves from the central killboard could do so, but the average guy, either not caring or not motivated enough to find and click the appropriate button, would stay there. That would make a better killboard then the current 'opt-in' systems like Battleclinic, which puts up a barrier to entry by requiring that people either post their own mails, or submit API info. Low barrier, I know, but enough to exclude a lot people, who simply don't bother to sign up for any killboards, and thus only show up on the kills of others.
They could always just classify location for a while. |

Hadez411
ceaps is Gay Minning Corp ITTY-BITTY TITTTY COMMITTY
1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:20:00 -
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Endovior wrote:Presumably because some people don't want their killmails posted, so privacy issue.
Not that I agree, but I understand the motivation. I'd recommend that, if something like this were implemented, to make it 'opt-out' rather then 'opt-in'; anyone who cares enough to remove themselves from the central killboard could do so, but the average guy, either not caring or not motivated enough to find and click the appropriate button, would stay there. That would make a better killboard then the current 'opt-in' systems like Battleclinic, which puts up a barrier to entry by requiring that people either post their own mails, or submit API info. Low barrier, I know, but enough to exclude a lot people, who simply don't bother to sign up for any killboards, and thus only show up on the kills of others.
They could always just classify location for a while. |

R0Y4L
Scifried Strategic Military Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 04:14:00 -
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totally would be sweet to see a KB made by CCP .. as for privacy .. WTF its a game get over it .. the person that kills you wont be all like "i will respect your privacy and not post this to any killboard"
IF YOU DONT WANNA DIE DONT FLY  IF-á YOU-á-á DONT-á WANNA-á DIE-á DONT-á FLY-á-á |

Rina Asanari
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.12.09 07:30:00 -
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Obvious trollpost is obvious.
As said before, I cannot prevent the winner of the fight using his killmail or maybe building some killmail on his own, noting down the time, place and ships involved and maybe the loot being salvaged. But that's all I'd want to be handed out. Simply said, nothing more than what is viewable in the overview and when looking at or into the wreck.
Even as a winner, when comparing the benefits of "operating under the radar" (meaning, no one has any idea of my favourite stomping grounds/loadouts/activity times) to "bragging rights" I'd still favour obscurity. If the loser doesn't want to publicize his loss, all the better for me, the next target may still be unaware of me being around.
It's about choice. I'd like to have the choice of not making my kills public. Current mechanics (Corp API key) take that away already enough, a CCP driven killboard would make that even worse. |

Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2011.12.09 08:23:00 -
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Rina Asanari wrote:Obvious trollpost is obvious.
As said before, I cannot prevent the winner of the fight using his killmail or maybe building some killmail on his own, noting down the time, place and ships involved and maybe the loot being salvaged. But that's all I'd want to be handed out. Simply said, nothing more than what is viewable in the overview and when looking at or into the wreck.
Even as a winner, when comparing the benefits of "operating under the radar" (meaning, no one has any idea of my favourite stomping grounds/loadouts/activity times) to "bragging rights" I'd still favour obscurity. If the loser doesn't want to publicize his loss, all the better for me, the next target may still be unaware of me being around.
It's about choice. I'd like to have the choice of not making my kills public. Current mechanics (Corp API key) take that away already enough, a CCP driven killboard would make that even worse.
You could always set it so that only people you set +10 or people in your corp or whatever could see the "detailed" information using the system that was already suggested.
Having the capability out there with the option to disable / restrict access > not having the capability in the first place. |

Fade Azura
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 11:19:00 -
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An official CCP killboard would be a great idea .... im sure it would create tons of internet traffic as well and give them lots of opportunites to advertise for their game. it would probably sink battleclinic and eve-kill though. but they are past their prime anyway. DO IT |

Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2011.12.09 14:09:00 -
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An official killboard have a nice appeal in both reliability and it's ability to crossreference difficult-to-obtain data.
Let me give you an example: alot of killboards in today's landscape of various alts, alt-corps and the complex political ties have problems sorting out sides - leading to many mismatched summaries that require further polishing through comments or battle reports to make an accurate account. It also leads to exploitation such as shooting your own ships to balance out killboard efficiency. I'm not saying it couldn't be done on existing killboards, but a CCP killboard would have a much easier time siding up participation based on standing and filtering summaries accurately. It would also remove a barrier of development for new interesting features with modulation.
Going back not more than a year i might have agreed that killboard meta-gaming added to immersion, but the state the killboards and the game are in at the moment make official statistics so much more interesting.
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GeneralKool
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.11 16:26:00 -
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Robert Tables wrote: You assume that only the losing party wouldn't want to post a killmail, and that every winning party would/should want to broadcast to the entire EVE Community where, what, and when they operate.
I agree that a central CCP-controlled killboard would be a better solution than the myriad that we have now, but in the end, I think it should be up to each individual if they want to post their particular win or loss report. A given corp or alliance may not want to broadcast every win and so could practice a degree of OPSEC, counter-intel, and information warfare by posting some or none of their killmails.
Valid point right here, I haven't thought about the the winning party attempting to hide their activities.
I still think a CCP kb is a better solution to what we have right now, but I now believe the option to make some information (e.g. location of the fight) private would be necessary. |

bongpacks
Mudbug Acquisition Of Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.03.05 05:05:00 -
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If there is a CCP killboard, one thing they could do to stand out from already existing killboards would be to offer a cross-reference feature. Like say I see a corp name that looks familiar and I want to see if I've killed any of them before, would be nice to just have a form where I could fill in two or more corp names, hit search and be presented with any kills where both corporations were involved. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
360
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Posted - 2012.03.05 05:49:00 -
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I'd rather see regularly updated statistics than an actual killboard. |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
262
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Posted - 2012.03.05 06:20:00 -
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I'm guessing there are two points, outside of CCP wanting to deliberately keep the system imperfect. Which I sincerely hope isn't their reasoning, because KBs are a major PITA at the moment.
1) The gain for creating their own KB is minimal, especially given the costs and effort of maintaining one and that fact this is already done by a 3rd party for free.
2) Battle clinic is a long standing business partner of CCP's, they advertise on their behalf and provide multiple services to users to gain site traffic. Cutting into their primary source of traffic might not be in CCP's best interests. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
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