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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 06:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Aeaus
And as far as I'm concerned every other weapons system in this game sacrifices damage for range.
Perhaps you should look at the stats on T2 long range turret ammo.
I'll give you a hint as to what they sacrifice, it isn't damage, and at 200km, the sacrificed stat means jack****.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 06:40:00 -
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As far as javelin ammo goes, since it's long range, it should simply be that, long range. Give Javelin ammo increased velocity, and then penalize the pilot in whatever. If people what large weapons that hit smaller ships better, then they should use guided missiles and the t2 precision variants.
Make Javelins have the same stats as T1 torps, only with 25-50% more missile velocity, and have their explosion velocity be worse than t1 (to give the same 'tracking nerf' T2 sniper ammo gives).\
Javelin doesn't need to be better when fighting smaller ships, that's the job of guided missiles.
And for the love of god, Tux or some other dev please take a minute to fix the Javelin HAMs so they don't have insane range. We know it's a bug, and that there's no real chance you've missed all the *****ing about it, but really, just make sure it's fixed by the 28th please?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.25 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Aeaus
And as far as I'm concerned every other weapons system in this game sacrifices damage for range.
Perhaps you should look at the stats on T2 long range turret ammo.
I'll give you a hint as to what they sacrifice, it isn't damage, and at 200km, the sacrificed stat means jack****.
I actually have some issues hitting on sisi hitting with just tech I ammo, I really don't see how level 5 tracking is going to help all that much.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol
Edited by: Samirol on 25/11/2006 06:32:58
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Siobhan Ni
Now you know how it feels to be Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar
/me glances at the Myrmidon's stats.
Man, Gallente sure are getting it rough this patch.
they need to remove a high slot/turret off of it tbh
that should be the tradeoff for having a 125m3 drone bay
I'd rather just see its drone bonuses not work on heavy drones. You remove a turret hardpoint and you're just making sure that's another NOS fitted.
Hell it could have a 150m3 dronebay then and it'd help quell the 'OMG OUR WEAPONS CAN BE KILLED SO WE SHOULD BE WTFPWNAGE' cries from gallente pilots
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar
DROW Org
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
No change should be made to improve them vs smaller targets--that's what precision cruise are for.
That was exactly the problem with them before. They filled the role that should have been filled by pecision cruise, and made the cruise missile largely obsolete. The nerf that got handed down was over the top, on that I agree with many of the others here, but it's in the right direction.
IMO, Javelin ammo should allow the high damage, close range ammo type like torps to hit that medium range in a reasonable amount of time and hit for good damage in the same size category. I think they got the speed and flight time right. The Javelins don't really even need to travel as far as the tech I versions, as long as they get there faster. Damage doesn't have to be much better, if at all than a tech I for them to be useful. As for the explosion radius, my opinion, they should be given a radius to match the smallest battleship sized signature.
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Captain Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.25 10:07:00 -
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problem with the jav torp nerf is they completely screwed the explosive radius up.. they should lower it back to 300m, it was perfectly fine there.. with the reduced base dmg + 400m explosive radius honestly i dont see the point of jav torps now
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
I think its rediculous that they do less dmg than t1 but have same exp radius, there is no possible reason for this to be the case.
Ehm, longer range gun ammos do less dmg......
And in general for everything but drones, more range means less dmg.
Makes sense to me, although i dont like the nerf it seams fair atm.
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:18:00 -
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i dont understand why t2 gun ammo was changed at all? 
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.25 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
Originally by: Shin Ra
I think its rediculous that they do less dmg than t1 but have same exp radius, there is no possible reason for this to be the case.
Ehm, longer range gun ammos do less dmg......
And in general for everything but drones, more range means less dmg.
Makes sense to me, although i dont like the nerf it seams fair atm.
Yes they have a SHORTER range than t1, which do more dmg and have the same exp radius.
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Luric Vizjier
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 02:05:00 -
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I'm thinking CCP is just trying to make missles into medium range weapons ala lasers. Which really shouldn't be a huge issue.
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Ecnav
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.26 03:42:00 -
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