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Oliver Delorean Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 4	Posted - 2015.06.23 03:37:42 - [1] - Quote Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. Prowler Viator Crane Prorator Why? I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example: 1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name.
Shederov Blood Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1668	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:10:06 - [2] - Quote First take away their cargo-scan immunity. Then talk about giving them more buffs. Who put the goat in there?
Oliver Delorean Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 4	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:14:00 - [3] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: First take away their cargo-scan immunity. Then talk about giving them more buffs. True! Cargo-scan immunity can go or be lifted to other class.
Whipple Shai God is great Beer is good People are crazy 10	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:25:46 - [4] - Quote Now where is it ? I know I put it somewhere. maybe under here? nope AH HA here it is: that was easy Or better yet. 1) Learn how to use the capabilities the ships already have. 2) Learn how to fly in null. This special snowflake crap's getting outta hand. I'm an industrialist with quite a few accounts who has lived in null for over 2 years. I've lost less than 10 T1 haulers and no T2 haulers in that time. HTFU. LTP. Or...... Candylands over there Whip
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 740	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:40:59 - [5] - Quote I have lost a few Viators in null after jumping gate and finding a Sabre and interceptor on the other side. It sucks when it happens, but I don't personally agree with making blockade runners that much stronger. Covert ops, interdiction nullified, small signature, good cargo, fast align - it would make them near impossible to catch. There's a reason that an ECM burst is kind of standard to fit on a blockade runner and why MWD-Cloak trick is still a good skill to know when using one. Better to have that content in the game in my opinion, than just give us all an insta-win transport ship. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3709	Posted - 2015.06.23 04:43:04 - [6] - Quote Why make them interdiction nullified when CCP can just remove bubbles from null completely? Would you like some CONCORD protection with that too? Oh god.
Oliver Delorean Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 4	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:04:02 - [7] - Quote I do understand all of u but to let u know: I also take part of gate camps, my favorite ship to fly is Sabre. In my experience not many people fly around with blockade runners in null sec. And if they do, and get caught in gate camp then mostly 95% he fill get decloaked and popped. (Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters. And again: My idea is not to make whole game safe by removing bubbles or nullify many ship types. I just want to make it easier for solo characters to transport their small stuff. I still stick with my idea but also understand some of ur comments
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 17469	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:43:15 - [8] - Quote Why Blockade Runners, though? Covert Ops cloaks are a damn powerful thing, especially with gate camps. Yeah, you can and will get caught in bubbles, but if you don't get caught there, where's the risk? There's no balance in having a Victoreux Cruiser roaming around that has a 5000m3 cargo bay. Make it at least somewhat balanced, and give the bonus to Deep Space Transports. They can't use Covert Ops cloaks, and have slow aligning, so at least they can be caught. Buffing Blockade Runners in this way is a rather stupid idea, in my opinion. If you want to shift stuff without encountering gatecamps, either plan your route properly, or do it when no one's around.
Oliver Delorean Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 4	Posted - 2015.06.23 05:59:26 - [9] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Why Blockade Runners, though? Im thinking: Why interceptors, though? With Nullified Blockade runner i can go and buy stuff for my Maelstrom and get blown up in that at least with little bit action.
Trajan Unknown Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 58	Posted - 2015.06.23 06:04:15 - [10] - Quote DSTs can use an mjd to get out of the bubble. BRs can use cloak to get out or back to gate. Both options are no guaranteed escapes and can be countered. Why do any hauler needs to be interdiction nullified again? Before someone is getting me wrong, I am usually on the receiving end of this. In other words my hauling pilots like to lose a hauler once in a while and it-¦s not cheap. Haven-¦t lost one in zero-zero yet so yeh, they work in bubble land. The cargo scan thingy is something I don-¦t really consider an advantage. People like to unwrap presents and a BR is simply a present to gankers and alike. You never know what-¦s inside. Maybe nothing maybe high value items. BRs have no cargo so they are either empty or filled with shiny things. Except someone likes to haul cheap **** in that thing. I guess that is the "Zonk" that you get once in a while. :D
Riot Girl You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack 3710	Posted - 2015.06.23 06:13:53 - [11] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: I just want to make it easier for solo characters to transport their small stuff. You're not a solo character, you're in a nullsec alliance. Are you saying your alliance lacks the manpower to clear out a gatecamp? Oh god.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2015.06.23 06:17:14 - [12] - Quote you can fit an interceptor for ~170m3 of cargo and a <2s align time if you want an un-catchable, nullified transport option. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 17470	Posted - 2015.06.23 06:47:23 - [13] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Why Blockade Runners, though? Im thinking: Why interceptors, though? Because they have neglectable cargoholds in comparison, and little to no tank.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2015.06.23 06:56:08 - [14] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Why Blockade Runners, though? Im thinking: Why interceptors, though? Because they have neglectable cargoholds in comparison, and little to no tank. who needs tank when you can have a <2s align time? 170m^3 is small i agree, but it's at zero risk? Ares: High Slots: Empty. A cloak if you really like. Mids: AB, MSE, EM amp. Lows: 3x I-Stab, 1x Expanded cargohold Rigs: 2x cargo expanders. That will survive a smartbombing BS (but not a full pipebomb) and on the off chance you truly derp, you might be able to burn back to gate. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Nami Kumamato School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 603	Posted - 2015.06.23 07:05:21 - [15] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. Prowler Viator Crane Prorator Why? I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example: 1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name. CovOps Cloak, scan immunity plus ludicrousspeed. I reckon that's enough for a "blockade runner". Wouldn't you ? If they would be interdiction nullified why would I use something else to haul...anything ? There would be no risk involved in flying them => a bad thing in EVE Fornicate The Constabulary !
Vek Hareka Fist Bumps All Around 39	Posted - 2015.06.23 07:09:20 - [16] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: (Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters. What about friends ? Got any of those in your alliance ? Here comes a time, ganker, When blingfits cease to sparkle, When hermophite looses its luster, When the station hangar becomes a prison And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 17470	Posted - 2015.06.23 07:36:09 - [17] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Why Blockade Runners, though? Im thinking: Why interceptors, though? Because they have neglectable cargoholds in comparison, and little to no tank. who needs tank when you can have a <2s align time? 170m^3 is small i agree, but it's at zero risk? Ares: High Slots: Empty. A cloak if you really like. Mids: AB, MSE, EM amp. Lows: 3x I-Stab, 1x Expanded cargohold Rigs: 2x cargo expanders. That will survive a smartbombing BS (but not a full pipebomb) and on the off chance you truly derp, you might be able to burn back to gate. Precisely why this is a bad idea. This is not a thread arguing against Interceptors, it's one asking for Victorieux Luxury Yachts with industrial cargoholds.
Blackfeathers Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2015.06.23 07:37:58 - [18] - Quote Please don't touch my blockade runner. It is powerful enough as is. Interdiction nullified might make it easier to transport your stuff, but they get used for other military purposes as well. The defense against blockade runners is bubbles and decloak cans. This would be a silly change.
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 726	Posted - 2015.06.23 08:03:02 - [19] - Quote They should also be perma-cloaked and have a BLOPS jumpdrive.
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 879	Posted - 2015.06.23 08:50:50 - [20] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: I do understand all of u but to let u know: I also take part of gate camps, my favorite ship to fly is Sabre. In my experience not many people fly around with blockade runners in null sec. And if they do, and get caught in gate camp then mostly 95% he fill get decloaked and popped. The question is, why shouldn't that happen? Blockade runners already allow you to haul through space where industrials will die in a fire to the first bored guy. Now, I don't quite see why a flowchart-piloted hauler should be able to navigate through dedicated gatecamp most of the time like some equal force (I don't mean ability to kill stuff by "force" here). Now, I know that EVE is weird sometimes, but despite that I still think that a counter to gatecamp is probably something along the lines of searching different routes or removing it rather than picking a ship that can mostly ignore camps. P.S. Scan immunity on those still looks nonsensical to me. Can someone point out reasons behind this design choice?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 637	Posted - 2015.06.23 09:19:32 - [21] - Quote A Nullified BR would be a broken concept. As has been mentioned, all of the tools are already available for both BRs & DSTs to counter bubbles, though I'd personally like enough hardpoints & highslots with a role reduction to powergrid for turrets, so I can fit a full rack of ACs or Arties to pepperoni those solo yolo Dictor pilots. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Oliver Delorean Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 4	Posted - 2015.06.23 09:51:28 - [22] - Quote Vek Hareka wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: (Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters. What about friends ? Got any of those in your alliance ? I said i don't want to bother people with my everyday small shipments. I understand the problem* here that BlockRunners might get too immune but look at the interceptors today.... Null is full of ceptors, i don't even think about locking em anymore. I also understand that it is very happy moment when u catch a hauler and u find some juicy loot but something should be done for people who want to move 5000+/- m3 of stuff on everyday basis. I would honestly try out some moon mining, belt mining, maybe even production but it needs lots of small transportation to be done and i would quickly bury that idea cuz i would simply loose more runners than i can earn back.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 279	Posted - 2015.06.23 10:21:54 - [23] - Quote Wow. A counter to "emergent game play". What would this innovation be called...in generic terms? I survived Win95
Lan Wang V I R I I Triumvirate. 831	Posted - 2015.06.23 10:22:13 - [24] - Quote why do they need to be nullified when you can easily use a scout, afterall a scout in null is the most usefull thing you can own EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Oliver Delorean Black Aces Against ALL Authorities 5	Posted - 2015.06.23 11:18:29 - [25] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: why do they need to be nullified when you can easily use a scout, afterall a scout in null is the most usefull thing you can own Oliver Delorean wrote: (Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 285	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:53:44 - [26] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Lan Wang wrote: why do they need to be nullified when you can easily use a scout, afterall a scout in null is the most usefull thing you can own Oliver Delorean wrote: (Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters. Otso Bakarti wrote: Wow. A counter to "emergent game play". What would this innovation be called...in generic terms? Wow an character for posting to forums, without killboard.... how seriously can i take it? You PvP. I don't. It's a free internet. Take me as seriously as I take you....not at all. TYVM try not to choke on your digital foot. I survived Win95
Lan Wang V I R I I Triumvirate. 833	Posted - 2015.06.23 12:55:29 - [27] - Quote so you have a forum alt but not a scout? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Joey Bags School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 27	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:02:42 - [28] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. Prowler Viator Crane Prorator Why? I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example: 1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name. If they decided to implement this they would also need to implement a counter. You can't really moon mine solo without a good Corp or alliance to back you up anyway, why would hauling moon goo require any less. Do what I do, scan down a high sec WH to move stuff back and forth. It works, just not everyday. You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose. Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
Mithandra Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn 339	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:32:22 - [29] - Quote Well it would appear that I and my fellow corp mates are not "most people living in null" 1. Want to set a POS up in a selected system? get a corp mate to scout. If you have corp permissions to be able to set up a POS in the first place then you are old enough not to make stupid mistakes like flying around un scouted in an indy. 2. Pretty much the same as point 1. 3. Come to think of it, my answer to all three is the same. Teamwork, otherwise if you want to fly solo, you accept the risks. Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
Petre en Thielles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 147	Posted - 2015.06.23 14:08:56 - [30] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. Prowler Viator Crane Prorator Why? I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example: 1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name. Repeat after me: "I will get a scout and train a jump freighter"

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