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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:37:42 -
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Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified.
Prowler
Viator
Crane
Prorator
Why?
I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed.
For example:
1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin.
2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way.
3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite.
There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff.
Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days).
Using freight corporations help will also take long time.
I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up.
So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1668
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:10:06 -
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First take away their cargo-scan immunity. Then talk about giving them more buffs.
Who put the goat in there?
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:14:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:First take away their cargo-scan immunity. Then talk about giving them more buffs.
True! Cargo-scan immunity can go or be lifted to other class. |
Whipple Shai
God is great Beer is good People are crazy
10
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:25:46 -
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Now where is it ?
I know I put it somewhere.
maybe under here? nope
AH HA here it is:
that was easy
Or better yet.
1) Learn how to use the capabilities the ships already have.
2) Learn how to fly in null.
This special snowflake crap's getting outta hand.
I'm an industrialist with quite a few accounts who has lived in null for over 2 years.
I've lost less than 10 T1 haulers and no T2 haulers in that time.
HTFU.
LTP.
Or......
Candylands over there
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Violet Crumble
Funtime Factory
740
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:40:59 -
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I have lost a few Viators in null after jumping gate and finding a Sabre and interceptor on the other side.
It sucks when it happens, but I don't personally agree with making blockade runners that much stronger.
Covert ops, interdiction nullified, small signature, good cargo, fast align - it would make them near impossible to catch.
There's a reason that an ECM burst is kind of standard to fit on a blockade runner and why MWD-Cloak trick is still a good skill to know when using one.
Better to have that content in the game in my opinion, than just give us all an insta-win transport ship.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3709
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Posted - 2015.06.23 04:43:04 -
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Why make them interdiction nullified when CCP can just remove bubbles from null completely? Would you like some CONCORD protection with that too?
Oh god.
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2015.06.23 05:04:02 -
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I do understand all of u but to let u know: I also take part of gate camps, my favorite ship to fly is Sabre.
In my experience not many people fly around with blockade runners in null sec. And if they do, and get caught in gate camp then mostly 95% he fill get decloaked and popped.
(Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters.
And again: My idea is not to make whole game safe by removing bubbles or nullify many ship types. I just want to make it easier for solo characters to transport their small stuff.
I still stick with my idea but also understand some of ur comments  |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
17469
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Posted - 2015.06.23 05:43:15 -
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Why Blockade Runners, though?
Covert Ops cloaks are a damn powerful thing, especially with gate camps.
Yeah, you can and will get caught in bubbles, but if you don't get caught there, where's the risk? There's no balance in having a Victoreux Cruiser roaming around that has a 5000m3 cargo bay.
Make it at least somewhat balanced, and give the bonus to Deep Space Transports. They can't use Covert Ops cloaks, and have slow aligning, so at least they can be caught.
Buffing Blockade Runners in this way is a rather stupid idea, in my opinion. If you want to shift stuff without encountering gatecamps, either plan your route properly, or do it when no one's around. |
Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2015.06.23 05:59:26 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Why Blockade Runners, though?
Im thinking: Why interceptors, though?
With Nullified Blockade runner i can go and buy stuff for my Maelstrom and get blown up in that at least with little bit action.
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Trajan Unknown
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
58
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Posted - 2015.06.23 06:04:15 -
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DSTs can use an mjd to get out of the bubble.
BRs can use cloak to get out or back to gate.
Both options are no guaranteed escapes and can be countered. Why do any hauler needs to be interdiction nullified again?
Before someone is getting me wrong, I am usually on the receiving end of this. In other words my hauling pilots like to lose a hauler once in a while and it-¦s not cheap. Haven-¦t lost one in zero-zero yet so yeh, they work in bubble land.
The cargo scan thingy is something I don-¦t really consider an advantage. People like to unwrap presents and a BR is simply a present to gankers and alike. You never know what-¦s inside. Maybe nothing maybe high value items. BRs have no cargo so they are either empty or filled with shiny things. Except someone likes to haul cheap **** in that thing. I guess that is the "Zonk" that you get once in a while. :D
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3710
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Posted - 2015.06.23 06:13:53 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:I just want to make it easier for solo characters to transport their small stuff.
You're not a solo character, you're in a nullsec alliance. Are you saying your alliance lacks the manpower to clear out a gatecamp?
Oh god.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.23 06:17:14 -
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you can fit an interceptor for ~170m3 of cargo and a <2s align time if you want an un-catchable, nullified transport option.
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
17470
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Posted - 2015.06.23 06:47:23 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Why Blockade Runners, though?
Im thinking: Why interceptors, though?
Because they have neglectable cargoholds in comparison, and little to no tank. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.23 06:56:08 -
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Oliver Delorean wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Why Blockade Runners, though?
Im thinking: Why interceptors, though? Because they have neglectable cargoholds in comparison, and little to no tank.
who needs tank when you can have a <2s align time? 170m^3 is small i agree, but it's at zero risk?
Ares:
High Slots: Empty. A cloak if you really like.
Mids: AB, MSE, EM amp.
Lows: 3x I-Stab, 1x Expanded cargohold
Rigs: 2x cargo expanders.
That will survive a smartbombing BS (but not a full pipebomb) and on the off chance you truly derp, you might be able to burn back to gate.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
603
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:05:21 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. ProwlerViatorCraneProratorWhy?I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example:1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name.
CovOps Cloak, scan immunity plus ludicrousspeed.
I reckon that's enough for a "blockade runner". Wouldn't you ?
If they would be interdiction nullified why would I use something else to haul...anything ?
There would be no risk involved in flying them => a bad thing in EVE
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Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
39
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:09:20 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:(Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters.
What about friends ? Got any of those in your alliance ?
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When blingfits cease to sparkle,
When hermophite looses its luster,
When the station hangar becomes a prison
And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
17470
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:36:09 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Oliver Delorean wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Why Blockade Runners, though?
Im thinking: Why interceptors, though? Because they have neglectable cargoholds in comparison, and little to no tank. who needs tank when you can have a <2s align time? 170m^3 is small i agree, but it's at zero risk?Ares: High Slots: Empty. A cloak if you really like. Mids: AB, MSE, EM amp. Lows: 3x I-Stab, 1x Expanded cargohold Rigs: 2x cargo expanders. That will survive a smartbombing BS (but not a full pipebomb) and on the off chance you truly derp, you might be able to burn back to gate.
Precisely why this is a bad idea.
This is not a thread arguing against Interceptors, it's one asking for Victorieux Luxury Yachts with industrial cargoholds. |
Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:37:58 -
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Please don't touch my blockade runner. It is powerful enough as is.
Interdiction nullified might make it easier to transport your stuff, but they get used for other military purposes as well. The defense against blockade runners is bubbles and decloak cans.
This would be a silly change. |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
726
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:03:02 -
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They should also be perma-cloaked and have a BLOPS jumpdrive. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
879
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:50:50 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:I do understand all of u but to let u know: I also take part of gate camps, my favorite ship to fly is Sabre.
In my experience not many people fly around with blockade runners in null sec. And if they do, and get caught in gate camp then mostly 95% he fill get decloaked and popped.
The question is, why shouldn't that happen? Blockade runners already allow you to haul through space where industrials will die in a fire to the first bored guy. Now, I don't quite see why a flowchart-piloted hauler should be able to navigate through dedicated gatecamp most of the time like some equal force (I don't mean ability to kill stuff by "force" here).
Now, I know that EVE is weird sometimes, but despite that I still think that a counter to gatecamp is probably something along the lines of searching different routes or removing it rather than picking a ship that can mostly ignore camps.
P.S. Scan immunity on those still looks nonsensical to me. Can someone point out reasons behind this design choice? |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
637
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Posted - 2015.06.23 09:19:32 -
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A Nullified BR would be a broken concept.
As has been mentioned, all of the tools are already available for both BRs & DSTs to counter bubbles, though I'd personally like enough hardpoints & highslots with a role reduction to powergrid for turrets, so I can fit a full rack of ACs or Arties to pepperoni those solo yolo Dictor pilots. 
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2015.06.23 09:51:28 -
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Vek Hareka wrote:Oliver Delorean wrote:(Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters. What about friends ? Got any of those in your alliance ?
I said i don't want to bother people with my everyday small shipments.
I understand the problem* here that BlockRunners might get too immune but look at the interceptors today.... Null is full of ceptors, i don't even think about locking em anymore.
I also understand that it is very happy moment when u catch a hauler and u find some juicy loot
but something should be done for people who want to move 5000+/- m3 of stuff on everyday basis. I would honestly try out some moon mining, belt mining, maybe even production but it needs lots of small transportation to be done and i would quickly bury that idea cuz i would simply loose more runners than i can earn back.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
279
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Posted - 2015.06.23 10:21:54 -
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Wow. A counter to "emergent game play". What would this innovation be called...in generic terms?
I survived Win95
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Triumvirate.
831
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Posted - 2015.06.23 10:22:13 -
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why do they need to be nullified when you can easily use a scout, afterall a scout in null is the most usefull thing you can own
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2015.06.23 11:18:29 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why do they need to be nullified when you can easily use a scout, afterall a scout in null is the most usefull thing you can own
Oliver Delorean wrote:(Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
285
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Posted - 2015.06.23 12:53:44 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:Lan Wang wrote:why do they need to be nullified when you can easily use a scout, afterall a scout in null is the most usefull thing you can own Oliver Delorean wrote:(Lets leave out people with multiple characters who can scout few systems ahead) cuz not all of us want or can have multiple characters. Otso Bakarti wrote:Wow. A counter to "emergent game play". What would this innovation be called...in generic terms? Wow an character for posting to forums, without killboard.... how seriously can i take it?
You PvP. I don't. It's a free internet. Take me as seriously as I take you....not at all.
TYVM try not to choke on your digital foot.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
Triumvirate.
833
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Posted - 2015.06.23 12:55:29 -
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so you have a forum alt but not a scout?
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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2015.06.23 13:02:42 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. ProwlerViatorCraneProratorWhy?I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example:1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name.
If they decided to implement this they would also need to implement a counter. You can't really moon mine solo without a good Corp or alliance to back you up anyway, why would hauling moon goo require any less. Do what I do, scan down a high sec WH to move stuff back and forth. It works, just not everyday.
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Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations
Get Off My Lawn
339
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Posted - 2015.06.23 13:32:22 -
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Well it would appear that I and my fellow corp mates are not "most people living in null"
1. Want to set a POS up in a selected system? get a corp mate to scout. If you have corp permissions to be able to set up a POS in the first place then you are old enough not to make stupid mistakes like flying around un scouted in an indy.
2. Pretty much the same as point 1.
3. Come to think of it, my answer to all three is the same. Teamwork, otherwise if you want to fly solo, you accept the risks.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2015.06.23 14:08:56 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. ProwlerViatorCraneProratorWhy?I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example:1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name.
Repeat after me: "I will get a scout and train a jump freighter" |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
639
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:02:19 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Oliver Delorean wrote:Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. ProwlerViatorCraneProratorWhy?I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example:1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name. Repeat after me: "I will get a scout and train a jump freighter"
Then you can move 70 billion ISK in cargo with no risk through Nullsecks.
True story.
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:30:05 -
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Il give up. 100% of u think it is a bad idea... Then I don't bother arguing here for too long 
Seems like most of u have scout toons in back pocket or good friends who will run for ur courier contract asap. U will still see me flying around with Sabre getting those lonely blockade runners who tend to try but I don't do it myself till some miracle happens.
High five to all interceptor pilots!! 
Thank u all for ur answers! |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
Triumvirate.
834
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:32:07 -
[33] - Quote
as i said scout was the best investment i ever made :)
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:50:39 -
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GankYou wrote:Then you can move 70 billion ISK in cargo with no risk through Nullsecks. True story.
I have two scouts, a NPC corp JF pilot, and have literally never lost a freighter.
/shrug. |
Freya Sertan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
221
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:59:22 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:Il give up. 100% of u think it is a bad idea... Then I don't bother arguing here for too long Seems like most of u have scout toons in back pocket or good friends who will run for ur courier contract asap. U will still see me flying around with Sabre getting those lonely blockade runners who tend to try but I don't do it myself till some miracle happens. High five to all interceptor pilots!! Thank u all for ur answers!
Instead of giving up you should adopt what everyone is telling you. It will only enhance your experience.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
3020
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Posted - 2015.06.23 16:00:14 -
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Oliver Delorean wrote:Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:Why Blockade Runners, though? Im thinking: Why interceptors, though? With Nullified Blockade runner i can go and buy stuff for my Maelstrom and get blown up in that at least with little bit action.
So you can do logistics (moving stuff not the ships) more easily is not a terribly good reason. Logistics is already pretty easy if you are smart about it what with JFs and the JB benefit that all industrials get. That right there lets you by-pass a number of gates and minimize the risk of gate camps.
By the way, not sure if this has been covered, wrong forum. Features and Ideas is more appropriate.
Oh and as for interceptors...I think CCP would like null to feel at least a little bit dangerous. And what with people anchoring a crap tone of bubbles on gates while doing PvE...nullifying interceptors got around that.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
642
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Posted - 2015.06.23 16:29:08 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:GankYou wrote:Then you can move 70 billion ISK in cargo with no risk through Nullsecks. True story. I have two scouts, a NPC corp JF pilot, and have literally never lost a freighter. /shrug.
Well, that's kinda the point.
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Trader Hansen
Failure Assured
Fail Nation
3
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Posted - 2015.06.23 16:37:25 -
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What kinda urks me is, why are all these fancy ship-specific abilities baked into the hulls? Abilities like interdiction nullification should be provided by fitting specific modules, while the hulls merely give bonuses to certain fitted modules.
Tech 3 sort of went down this route, but in true CCP fashion, rather than simplifying it by introducing modules and applying it across the board, they had to add an extra layer of convolution to the process by making them sub systems and limiting it to 4 specific hulls (and then leaving it at that).
I mean... Why can a ship like a force recon warp with a cov ops cloak yet other ships can't? If hulls come with baked-in interdiction nullification, then shouldn't a force recon come with a baked-in cov ops cloaking device? Yet the cov ops cloaking device is a module that you have to fit. So why not an interdiction nullifier module? Why does a transport get a baked-in fleet cargo bay yet a T1 hauler doesn't? Why not make fleet cargo bay a fitted module (ore hold, mineral hold, etc)? Why do capitals have baked-in jump drives? Why not make jump drives a fitted module? I think you get the picture (actually, half the people reading this won't, but I digress).
Oooh... Balance... Oooh, we'd end up with jump drive toting, interdiction nullified, cov ops cloaking Ravens all over the joint... Oooh it'd just be Terrible(tm).
Meh, whatever. |
Vel'drinn
Sanguine Vipers
41
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Posted - 2015.06.23 16:46:12 -
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Trader Hansen wrote:What kinda urks me is, why are all these fancy ship-specific abilities baked into the hulls? Abilities like interdiction nullification should be provided by fitting specific modules, while the hulls merely give bonuses to certain fitted modules.
Tech 3 sort of went down this route, but in true CCP fashion, rather than simplifying it by introducing modules and applying it across the board, they had to add an extra layer of convolution to the process by making them sub systems and limiting it to 4 specific hulls (and then leaving it at that).
I mean... Why can a ship like a force recon warp with a cov ops cloak yet other ships can't? If hulls come with baked-in interdiction nullification, then shouldn't a force recon come with a baked-in cov ops cloaking device? Yet the cov ops cloaking device is a module that you have to fit. So why not an interdiction nullifier module? Why does a transport get a baked-in fleet cargo bay yet a T1 hauler doesn't? Why not make fleet cargo bay a fitted module (ore hold, mineral hold, etc)? Why do capitals have baked-in jump drives? Why not make jump drives a fitted module? I think you get the picture (actually, half the people reading this won't, but I digress).
Oooh... Balance... Oooh, we'd end up with jump drive toting, interdiction nullified, cov ops cloaking Ravens all over the joint... Oooh it'd just be Terrible(tm).
Meh, whatever.
Agreed. Exclusive modules would have been much better for cases like the interceptor class. (like dictor bubble launcher)
Then they'd have to choose between being the ultimate null taxi or fast tackle. NOT BOTH.
90% of the time I see a 'ceptor its just a nullified shuttle. That's what CCP intended right?
But on topic, nullified Blockage Runners would be stupid powerful. Seriously they would never die. Avoiding bubble camps is easy, just bounce to a celestial and you'll never get caught. You just need to work a little more and be smart. Nullification is EZ mode.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
643
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Posted - 2015.06.23 17:57:27 -
[40] - Quote
And there would be no specialisation, and everyone will be running wild.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:28:48 -
[41] - Quote
Freya Sertan wrote:Instead of giving up you should adopt what everyone is telling you. It will only enhance your experience.
I can't complain here much since i personally don't like nullified ships that much. Ofcuz it would be another ship type in null sec that just pass by every gate camp with eaze.
But right now we have interceptors.... most people will fly around with these things and don't care much about gate camps... isn't that boring?
Why null sec is so empty? I personally think its mostly cuz of transportation issues, people are scared to get blown up with their transport ships before they can settle down somewhere and go for action..
Where/why did i get this idea to make BR's nulli? Few days ago i was thinking that i do something interesting and fit up an Maelstrom for solo PVP but i had a lack of couple of things and i had to jump 10+/- gates to get these. Since i know how hostile is the area i just left it and quit the game.
Now i hope u guys don't get me wrong... i don't want to make undetectable transport ship that is no risk to fly! But i think right now transporting ur small every day needs in null sec is way too risky. Or u need to have heaps of time and maybe some extra characters / friends to scout. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
240
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:29:50 -
[42] - Quote
Me thinks nullsec is not for you, supply trains are used all over eve and in ships that are much easier to capture and kill than the one you are already using.
If you want nullsec to be easy sauce then CCP better bring in a huge axe and cut your income advantage.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:45:06 -
[43] - Quote
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Me thinks nullsec is not for you, supply trains are used all over eve and in ships that are much easier to capture and kill than the one you are already using.
If you want nullsec to be easy sauce then CCP better bring in a huge axe and cut your income advantage.
M8! I know about null sec logistics, supply trains, jump freights, cyno chains, one indy pilot with 5cyno char's........
I want to get 2XL Shield boosters and maybe couple of cap boosters right now!!!!! What should i do? Msg to my alliance indy pilot and make him to dance stomp just for that?
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Me thinks nullsec is not for you
I know u don't want me there with that Sabre |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
823
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:49:37 -
[44] - Quote
You can bridge through a BLOPS jump portal with a blockade runner. They are fine as is.
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2015.06.24 01:08:59 -
[45] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:M8! I know about null sec logistics, supply trains, jump freights, cyno chains, one indy pilot with 5cyno char's........ I want to get 2XL Shield boosters and maybe couple of cap boosters right now!!!!! What should i do? Msg to my alliance indy pilot and make him to dance stomp just for that?
Get in your trusty 'ceptor, accept the limited cargo space and burn there yourself to get it if you can't wait.
Otherwise, organise yourself a stack of such 'useful mods' to be delivered at your leisure.
But seriously, Blockade Runners are already pretty damn powerful ships. ~13,000m^3 of cloaked hauling goodness that maneuvers like a frigate? Adding nullification to them would be utterly obscene.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
240
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Posted - 2015.06.24 02:18:54 -
[46] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Me thinks nullsec is not for you, supply trains are used all over eve and in ships that are much easier to capture and kill than the one you are already using.
If you want nullsec to be easy sauce then CCP better bring in a huge axe and cut your income advantage. M8! I know about null sec logistics, supply trains, jump freights, cyno chains, one indy pilot with 5cyno char's........ I want to get 2XL Shield boosters and maybe couple of cap boosters right now!!!!! What should i do? Msg to my alliance indy pilot and make him to dance stomp just for that? Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Me thinks nullsec is not for you I know u don't want me there with that Sabre
what i want is for you to come to grips with game play in nullsec which apparently after much playing there you still have not managed to do.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1418
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Posted - 2015.06.24 03:58:03 -
[47] - Quote
I'd love them.
They'd be completely broken though.
Yaay!!!!
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Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
40
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Posted - 2015.06.24 05:09:51 -
[48] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:Now i hope u guys don't get me wrong... i don't want to make undetectable transport ship that is no risk to fly!
Yes you do.
We got you all right, don't worry.
Here comes a time, ganker,
When blingfits cease to sparkle,
When hermophite looses its luster,
When the station hangar becomes a prison
And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
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Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
40
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Posted - 2015.06.24 05:24:31 -
[49] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:Otso Bakarti wrote:Wow. A counter to "emergent game play". What would this innovation be called...in generic terms? Wow an character for posting to forums, without killboard.... how seriously can i take it?
Just about as seriously as any other toon, since you're not discussing a pvp but a logistics (non-) issue.
Nice troll-counter though.
(and I'd call this counter to emergent gameplay: "Evanescent Stalemate")
Here comes a time, ganker,
When blingfits cease to sparkle,
When hermophite looses its luster,
When the station hangar becomes a prison
And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2015.06.24 06:24:59 -
[50] - Quote
Vek Hareka wrote:Yes you do.
We got you all right, don't worry.
Speak for ur self
Vek Hareka wrote:Just about as seriously as any other toon, since you're not discussing a pvp but a logistics (non-) issue.
Getting popped with blockade runner in gate camp isn't pvp?
Vek Hareka wrote:Nice troll-counter though.
Thank you!
Vek Hareka wrote:(and I'd call this counter to emergent gameplay: "Evanescent Stalemate")
Troll number 2
Now what can i say? You really didn't comment why you like/dislike my idea...
Mephiztopheleze wrote:Get in your trusty 'ceptor, accept the limited cargo space and burn there yourself to get it if you can't wait.
Otherwise, organise yourself a stack of such 'useful mods' to be delivered at your leisure.
True m8! Thats what iv mostly done but accepting the limit of cargo space is mostly the issue.
I guess that is what i have to keep doing but it will limit my game plan since i don't have willpower and time to jump 50 times just to fill my little needs. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
426
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Posted - 2015.06.24 09:42:36 -
[51] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:Advanced industrial ships -> Transport -> Blockade Runners should be interdiction nullified. ProwlerViatorCraneProratorWhy?I think many players living in null sec are struggling with transporting their goods (small amount) around where needed. For example:1. I want to try out moon mining but transporting my POS into selected system without getting destroyed is air thin. 2. I want to fit my ship but i need some parts from 10 jumps away.... no i can't. Will get bubbled on half way. 3. I got some ore that i want to sell, need to transport it to high sec, or opposite. There are many things that i can't do simply cuz of transportation issues. Now some people might say: Well u can ask your corp mate or pay someone to transport your stuff. Asking my corp mate for small transportation like listed in examples is pain and will always take time to complete (maybe days). Using freight corporations help will also take long time. I can understand that bigger shipments should be done like they are right now, but there is really many small things that i want to transport myself right now! But i cant cuz most likely i get blown up. So, simply i think: Doing small transportation for solo characters would be much more easier and personally i could spend more time in the game doing stuff that i want to do without bothering someone with transport contracts every time i need something small. +Blockade Runners would truly earn their name.
I have no problems using a Prorator when using an alt as a scout. No need for bufs.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2015.06.24 13:24:52 -
[52] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:Why null sec is so empty? I personally think its mostly cuz of transportation issues, people are scared to get blown up with their transport ships before they can settle down somewhere and go for action.. Where/why did i get this idea to make BR's nulli? Few days ago i was thinking that i do something interesting and fit up an Maelstrom for solo PVP but i had a lack of couple of things and i had to jump 10+/- gates to get these. Since i know how hostile is the area i just left it and quit the game. Now i hope u guys don't get me wrong... i don't want to make undetectable transport ship that is no risk to fly! But i think right now transporting ur small every day needs in null sec is way too risky. Or u need to have heaps of time and maybe some extra characters / friends to scout.
Let's just add eight high slots and let it fit battleship level guns while we are at it. And let it fit a cap level tank.
Seriously, use a scout or pay someone to haul your stuff for you.
And yes, you do want to make an undetectable transport ship that is no risk to fly. That is the sole point of this thread. |
George Gouillot
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
61
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Posted - 2015.06.24 14:06:35 -
[53] - Quote
I think the Bowhead should be interdiction nullified, immune against directed warp interdiction, jump capable and with a built in cloaking device. It should also not require a cyno but be able to jump directly into any hangar in any station (docking rights? I am not docking!). And give it a 1,000,000 cargohold. And make it work without fuel, fuel costs money.
Hmm, after reading it - it is a bad idea. We need hyperdimensional cargo transmitters or mobile hangar to hangar wormhole generators. Shipping is so YC 115 .... |
Robert Warner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2015.06.24 15:48:59 -
[54] - Quote
I'll give this one a resounding no for two reasons:
1. Blockade Runners are already very suited to their job. In null sec you should always follow the rule - if in doubt, scout!
2. Blockade Runners are capable of lighting covert cynos and are lightning quick. A change such as this would make the blockade runner the first choice in null sec ganking.
If any hauler could do with interdiction immunity, it would be the Deep Space Transport, but even then since they can now use MJD's it's not really required. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6741
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Posted - 2015.06.24 15:49:22 -
[55] - Quote
Nullied transports would be interesting.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2015.06.24 20:12:42 -
[56] - Quote
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea. For me. Alone.
It would be something of a game breaker truth be told. I have a ton of stuff to move through null ATM and I have no scout alt either. I use my corpmates reports, I try to move when there is low activity, a my run first with an intersepter to see if there are any larger gatecamps, I use wormholes & several other tactics which will not be discussed here. It's still a brown trouser run sometimes and I've come close to being caught, but not yet.
My point is if there was no risk, there would be no challenge and no fun. NPC' s can only do so much, it's the other players, friend and foe, that make this game so much fun.
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22075
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Posted - 2015.06.24 20:38:02 -
[57] - Quote
Well, while were at it, why don't we give the BRs the ability to use the MJD while cloaked with a 0 sec spool up time, maybe like 6 to 7 effective turrets/launchers, possibly some kind of shield/armor/hull resist and HP bonus per level, interdiction nullification, D-scan immunity, 16ly jump drives, -200% sig radius per level, and maybe like a ECM bonus for giggles.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
408
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Posted - 2015.06.24 22:24:37 -
[58] - Quote
OP being able to use an alternate character in a throwaway ship to check the other side of gate before you jump your other character in a valuable ship through. Since that is Ok with CCP I don't see the problem with teleporting stuff directly to your hanger. |
Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
8
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Posted - 2015.06.25 02:32:26 -
[59] - Quote
Joey Bags wrote:Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea. For me. Alone.
It would be something of a game breaker truth be told. I have a ton of stuff to move through null ATM and I have no scout alt either. I use my corpmates reports, I try to move when there is low activity, a my run first with an intersepter to see if there are any larger gatecamps, I use wormholes & several other tactics which will not be discussed here. It's still a brown trouser run sometimes and I've come close to being caught, but not yet.
My point is if there was no risk, there would be no challenge and no fun. NPC' s can only do so much, it's the other players, friend and foe, that make this game so much fun.
The best NO ansver yet!!!
I totally agree with u!! And thumbs up u are not the one who's keeping up this scout alt sh*t. That is my main idea here, its nothing for people who have scout alt's, these are the ones who concord the nullsec with interceptors and never get caught!!!
 Lets flip the whole thing!!
I will now agree that that Nullified Blockade Runners is bad idea!! But but, lets remove all the nullifications... that would be interesting. All these interceptors will disappear, gate camps will be tons of more interesting, and all the scout alts will have brown trouser run's.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
856
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Posted - 2015.06.25 02:38:56 -
[60] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:Shederov Blood wrote:First take away their cargo-scan immunity. Then talk about giving them more buffs. True! Cargo-scan immunity can go or be lifted to other class.
I agree, cargo scan immunity should go on DSTs. Blockade runners don't need it, they already had covops cloak, which does the same exact thing only better.
But I don't think that BRs should get bubble immunity unless they get a severe nerf to their speed and agility. |
Deuce McGuilicuddy
Jebediah's Minimally Invasive Salvage and Recovery
22
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Posted - 2015.06.25 05:01:54 -
[61] - Quote
That's a big negative. One or the other, either its nullified or covops cloaked, both would make it uncatchable. There has to be a drawback to any ship choice, and you have fitting options... you do realize you don't have to fit cargo expanders right? With clever fitting you can get out of at least 50% of situations where you get bubbled, my hauler is probably sitting at closer to 75%. Even doing everything right, they will get you sometimes, working as intended and nomadbro.
-1 from me, and wrong forum. |
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
185
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:10:08 -
[62] - Quote
More and more demands for the 'auto win' button. This is Eve son! |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
647
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:20:39 -
[63] - Quote
I'm sad to see this thread still going.
There are countless such Hauler Iwin threads on F&I, albeit of lesser degree. Interdiction immunity on a covops hauler with 14k m3? Gobbi pls
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1746
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:27:13 -
[64] - Quote
Skipping the replies
Deep Space Transports like the Occator would be more worthy of being nullified over a blockade runner.
- It is slow to align
- Uses a standard cloak
- Can still be caught.
I do not fly it often because it feels like flying a brick in mud (with speed fit (and this is why I don't train for freighters)) and it has that speed penalty with standard cloaks so pretty easy to decloak on a gate.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
.
High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
647
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Posted - 2015.06.25 11:29:14 -
[65] - Quote
Pro-tip: Fit an AB on any DST and align in 8 seconds sharp without any Inertials.
I can make an Impel go 1.7 km/s w/ MWD when fit for Nullsecks. A BR can do 3 km/s - what more do you want on top of the covert ops cloak?
Don't try to gauge everything against the broken JFs with zero station cynos.
Silly thread.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+
Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
99
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Posted - 2015.06.25 16:24:54 -
[66] - Quote
This topic has been going a while and It has probably been said already; but no, learn to fly haulers, they already have more than enough options to evade gate camps. |
Nortion Adoulin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:57:08 -
[67] - Quote
Hi first ever post but I been playing nearly 2 years now so hereGÇÖs my thoughts.
DST should get Bubble Immunity whether heard wired or a fitted module I donGÇÖt care. (How about a module that can also fit Exhumers)
Cov-ops probably not
I read a lot about how they are two strong as it is but I discovered that if you try to do anything that requires regular runs along a fixed route then there always someone who will see it and kill you time and time again. You donGÇÖt have to be stupid or lazy to lose if the other guy comes with 4 friends and fully fitted for the job.
LetGÇÖs face it most eve players are in small 1-10 player corps if not in there NPC corp. and why is this. Because they donGÇÖt play 30 hours a week just a few hours here and there. It takes a lot of time and commitment to join a larger corp. and help run it. I know it what I spend most of my time doing. But whatGÇÖs this got to do with DST and bubbles. Well most of null is empty just because a lot of players just canGÇÖt be bothered to mess around with large alliances and all the other **** that it involves. They mine do some manufacturing and run sites and missions.
They just donGÇÖt go to null because itGÇÖs just too hard to live out there. Getting there is not to hard but then what. CanGÇÖt buy ships or fittings at any friendly stations to shop at that arenGÇÖt camped with Alpha fitted gangs. Moving your stuff out there or stuff back is imposable without a J-freighter and there not an affordable option. Get a scout. I played for over 19 months before I got a second account and I only run the two. I just find controlling two at the same time I am about 70% effective with each. For a lone player itGÇÖs just not worth it and most of the players in eve are lone players. They may do some faction warfare but itGÇÖs on their own time and at their own pace. Null isnGÇÖt that dangerous itGÇÖs just too much hard work for a lone player to do. Guess what guys EVE is a game! If something you enjoy doing in Hi sec is just too much trouble to do in null or Low then why bother going to there. If DST allows more access to null and help more players live there then itGÇÖs worth it. A DST will probity move no more than 60,000m\3 or 1/10th a jump freighter per trip (skill Lv 4) so itGÇÖs going to boost hi GÇônull trade and get it out of the monopoly of the big factions.
Everyone against it is already out there and in large gangs hunting down ships that havenGÇÖt got a chance in hell of surviving more than 10 seconds under fire from you. You like the way things are because itGÇÖs you just padding your kill boards and itGÇÖs how you like the game. You say learn, change and adapt but if this change comes along you are the ones who have to learn change and adapt and you just donGÇÖt want to. Here is a hint Smart bombing battleship on the gate. There you got your counter to bubble immunity HAPPY NOW!!!!!
How are lone players going to remove a gate camp by themselves? Gate camps interdict large areas of null and largely donGÇÖt bother the large factions who use J-freighters and Bubbles are just left there unattended so jumping into one you never know if its abandoned or there is a cloak ship ready to pop you.
Those who say it will make stopping them imposable and should not be allowed need to know that we got that in Hi-sec. ItGÇÖs called GANKING! Undock, warp to safe spot, warp to target, Kill target, Disconnect, Re-connect back to your pod in a safe spot, Warp to station insta-dock. Dock in safe station. And yes itGÇÖs is imposable to stop, players use the system to their advantage to avoid being podded.
If your are lone player or small corp. who just doesnGÇÖt want to be involved in endless wars then there no stepping stone to Null. Giving bubble immunity will not allow lots of new players into null buy itself but should help with more free access to that section of space. More players more content for everyone.
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
9
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Posted - 2015.06.26 15:29:48 -
[68] - Quote
Well said Norton Adoulin! #GoldenWords |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1423
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Posted - 2015.06.26 15:46:43 -
[69] - Quote
Spaces.. Spaces between paragraphs!!
The deep space transport has more viability for being interdiction nullified.
But then it shouldn't be able to fit a cloaking device of any kind.
It can tank, micro jump drive (people forget this), has great transport...
I'd be ok if it lost the ability to cloak warp but gained bubble immunity.
I wouldn't be ok if it had both the abilities
Killing its cloaking option kills it's lowsec use.
And before someone says "it should have a high slot immunity module), 99% of all the ships in Eve would use it, including supers and Titans, drakes, domis, destroyers, t3's (they would use that over its own subsystem), etc. so no on this also.
Neither ship needs this.
Yaay!!!!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16571
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:48:10 -
[70] - Quote
If you manage to lose a blockade runner then 1 of three things happened
1) You were AFK autopiloting: you deserved to lose it
2) You ran into a really good player: he deserved the kill
3) You're a genuinely terrible pilot: you deserved to lose it.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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The Barrister
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:21:28 -
[71] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:
M8! I know about null sec logistics, supply trains, jump freights, cyno chains, one indy pilot with 5cyno char's........
I want to get 2XL Shield boosters and maybe couple of cap boosters right now!!!!! What should i do? Msg to my alliance indy pilot and make him to dance stomp just for that?
Maybe you could... you know.... plan ahead. You keep talking about logistics, but part of logistics is having an adequate inventory so that you don't need stuff, "right now!!!!" and can bring it in on the regularly scheduled supply runs, or on a contract that may take a day or two.
It sounds like you:
1. Can't or won't plan ahead for your own needs.
2. Refuse to use easily available solutions such as scouting.
3. Are too lazy to make a series of bookmarks to allow you to fly around the common bubble locations on your route.
4. Are not very good at BRing... because even if you refuse numbers 1-3, you should still be able to fly through 99% of gate camps while hanging out the window and flipping the bird to the campers as you warp out untouched.
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2015.06.27 03:46:12 -
[72] - Quote
The Barrister wrote:
It sounds like you:
1. Can't or won't plan ahead for your own needs.
2. Refuse to use easily available solutions such as scouting.
3. Are too lazy to make a series of bookmarks to allow you to fly around the common bubble locations on your route.
4. Are not very good at BRing... because even if you refuse numbers 1-3, you should still be able to fly through 99% of gate camps while hanging out the window and flipping the bird to the campers as you warp out untouched.
1. I got 2.5 Bil worth of ship fittings (Ships not included) in my inventory, i still find something that am short with sometimes.
2. Will you pay my scout account subscription or you join my corp so i can use yours?
3. I got at least 1 safe on every gate in my area.
4. Only thing i complain here is that number 99%. If you jump through the gate and at the other side is competent gate camp then i would pull it down to 20% |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
3031
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Posted - 2015.06.27 04:00:08 -
[73] - Quote
Oliver Delorean wrote:Well said Norton Adoulin! #GoldenWords
I'm sure null sec would be a lot more active.
Sure, one way to make NS more active is to make it less dangerous.
You really haven't explained why blockade runners need to be nullified other than you want to get stuff for your malediction so you can be shot at in that...also a ship that is nullified.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
666
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Posted - 2015.06.27 05:15:49 -
[74] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:If you manage to lose a blockade runner then 1 of three things happened
1) You were AFK autopiloting: you deserved to lose it
2) You ran into a really good player: he deserved the kill
3) You're a genuinely terrible pilot: you deserved to lose it.
They are just terrible I think.
A BR can travel 30 km in a single MWD cycle.
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs: from Battlecruisers & Battleships to Freighters, Cap & T2 Components, Barges and Orca
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Oliver Delorean
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2015.06.27 09:18:02 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Oliver Delorean wrote:Well said Norton Adoulin! #GoldenWords
I'm sure null sec would be a lot more active. Sure, one way to make NS more active is to make it less dangerous. You really haven't explained why blockade runners need to be nullified other than you want to get stuff for your malediction so you can be shot at in that...also a ship that is nullified.
Wait.... where did u read that? 
I have exactly 0 interceptors, check my kill / loss board and if u find 1 interceptor flown from my side i give you a BILLION.
And yes, interceptors are damn boring ship's. All these scout character fly these ones in null sec and make sure that their BR pilot won't get blown up. With that being said u have to have 2 character to transport your goods safely. That's exactly the group that lives in null sec... multiboxer's and big alliances. |
Nortion Adoulin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.06.27 09:35:33 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Oliver Delorean wrote:Well said Norton Adoulin! #GoldenWords
I'm sure null sec would be a lot more active. Sure, one way to make NS more active is to make it less dangerous. You really haven't explained why blockade runners need to be nullified other than you want to get stuff for your malediction so you can be shot at in that...also a ship that is nullified.
Null sec is not that dangerous most of it is to empty for that.
Mining out there not worth it because you need to be able to handle the rats out there and a venture with two Hobgoblin II is not going to do that.
Lone players go out there with the one ship because moveing more out just to difficult.
lose a ship Then for the lone player its log out until the next time you play because you probably wont have another one in the station and its a long trip back to Hi in a rooky ship with a 50% of not making it.
Stop focusing on the system and its mechanics and look at the players who use/abuse/exploit and just give up. And its the just give up were after. Retaining those players and bringing them deeper into the game is the most important thing here. Giving them tools to even the odds is important and this minor change is not going to effect any PvP because killing transports is not PvP it's an execution. But its probably to much effort to actualy go out there and hunt combat ships rather sit on a gate waiting for unarmed transports.
Anything that helps them get into Null and start to learn how to work out there should be encouraged. Eve is a very steep learning curve but you don't learn much by just getting blow up in a gate bubble. The experience and skill level difference is extreme so its never a chance fighting an attacker off as they never go after someone who got a chance of actualy winning agenst them. All this will do is make a high isk loss kill more difficult and increase the kudos to get one while giving more access to previosely closed space. |
Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
2292
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Posted - 2015.06.28 01:20:16 -
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I don't like the native cargo scan immunity bonus. But i would love to see cargo scan immunity modules. They should come with interesting drawbacks, perhaps to align time or resists.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Black Panpher
Middle-aged pony tail
4377
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Posted - 2015.06.28 02:44:18 -
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Malcanis wrote:If you manage to lose a blockade runner then 1 of three things happened
1) You were AFK autopiloting: you deserved to lose it
2) You ran into a really good player: he deserved the kill
3) You're a genuinely terrible pilot: you deserved to lose it.
Point 2. Please elaborate.
Edit: Regarding current context. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
673
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:19:27 -
[79] - Quote
Black Panpher wrote:Malcanis wrote:If you manage to lose a blockade runner then 1 of three things happened
1) You were AFK autopiloting: you deserved to lose it
2) You ran into a really good player: he deserved the kill
3) You're a genuinely terrible pilot: you deserved to lose it. Point 2. Please elaborate. Edit: Regarding current context.
A BR fit for speed can travel 30 km in one MWD cycle. Think how one good player could catch one.
It is doable, but many variables.
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs: from Battlecruisers & Battleships to Freighters, Cap & T2 Components, Barges and Orca
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2015.06.28 20:34:12 -
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Black Panpher wrote:
Point 2. Please elaborate.
Edit: Regarding current context.
I've only lost one BR in my life. I was lazy and didn't have a scout. Jumped into a bubbled gatecamp. I aligned/MWD/cloaked, one of their ceptor pilots saw which way I aligned, was very, very quick and managed to get within 2k and unclock me before I got out of the bubbles. Props to him, he deserved the kill |
Kraxalious
Domini Caedis
2
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:11:50 -
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Nullified blockade runners would be OP. They can already get past gate camps easy. How? They can bridge with a covert jump portal. Want to avoid gate camps, just jump past them. No nullification needed. |
Hal Morsh
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2015.06.28 23:57:03 -
[82] - Quote
I've gotten my blockade runner through curse with bubbles off the gate from every celestial. The garmur burned towards me but didn't lock so I just cloaked up.
Scan probes can even lead you other warp ins. I watched like 2 or 3 guys die while I slowboated around, and while you derp about slowly you can even get a distance away from the gate itself and make a safe warp in.
And I suck at EVE.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Siigari Kitawa
Magic Minerals
Push Interstellar Network
405
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Posted - 2015.06.29 10:07:11 -
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The option that is missing here is a new class of transport that can be nullified.
Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it.
Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else.
Ingame channel: PUSHX
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