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Kagashi
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:29:00 -
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Is this posable with then new invention system?
So far i have heard 7 different things from 7 different people regarding how to invent a Hulk
Answers ranging from
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No Hulk invention at all
which i find hard to believe when it seems you can invent all other types of T2 ship
all the way to
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Yes you can invent them and ive done it
which i also find hard to believe because i dont think Sisi with revelations had been up long enough to actualy train up and complete the act.. though i may be wrong.
Please any info would very helpfull
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:43:00 -
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Why shouldn't you be able to do so, its a Gallente starship, even though its made by ORE. The BPO's were given out by Gallente starship agents iirc, so using those datacores and the bpc of a Covetor + whatever goodies you need to complete the process should allow you to do so, but I'm only guessing here. It just seems logical to me that you would be able to.
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Kagashi
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:53:00 -
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I also figured it was a Gallente ship invention job but im guessing no one knows for sure.
Im also figureing it would take about the same amount of data cores etc as a Command ship to complete the job.
I wish i could get onto Sisi to check it out but saddly i cant.
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:28:00 -
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I'd imagine the simplest way is to look in the database to what skills are needed for construction.
Hulk needs gallente starship engineering and Mechanical engineering
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Cain Calzon
Caldari
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.26 04:45:00 -
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T2 mining barges cant be invented, all T1 ships and modules have a invention tab on the BP(O/C) but the T1 barges dont have that tab so no u cant invent.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cain Calzon
T2 mining barges cant be invented, all T1 ships and modules have a invention tab on the BP(O/C) but the T1 barges dont have that tab so no u cant invent.
hmm perhaps its a bug? are devs aware of it?
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Sarf
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kagashi
which i also find hard to believe because i dont think Sisi with revelations had been up long enough to actually train up and complete the act.. though i may be wrong.
You forget that all skills train 10x faster on sisi than on TQ. so a 10d skill is 1 day training time.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sarf
Originally by: Kagashi
which i also find hard to believe because i dont think Sisi with revelations had been up long enough to actually train up and complete the act.. though i may be wrong.
You forget that all skills train 10x faster on sisi than on TQ. so a 10d skill is 1 day training time.
LOL?
Because I said so...
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Kagashi
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sarf
Originally by: Kagashi
which i also find hard to believe because i dont think Sisi with revelations had been up long enough to actually train up and complete the act.. though i may be wrong.
You forget that all skills train 10x faster on sisi than on TQ. so a 10d skill is 1 day training time.
I didnt know it was so much faster .. haveing been unable to use Sisi myself all i can go by is what people tell me
so It would seem that if it was indeed posable to invent a Barge then someone would have had time to train the skils up to actualy do it.
This still leaves me with the question of weather its posable or not to do.
Originally by: Cain
T2 mining barges cant be invented, all T1 ships and modules have a invention tab on the BP(O/C) but the T1 barges dont have that tab so no u cant invent.
Cain here seems to have a firm view and evidence to back it up.
Was there ever a CCP post on if ALL t2 ships were going to be inventable or not?
I just seems that Barges may proove to be the golden ticket to isk making well into Kali if its true that you cant invent them.
Im not going to complain about the price of T2 barges as that a well beaten horse.
BUT
It makes them the only ships that wont be effected by invention and the much needed market balanceing that invention will hopefull bring.
Is this intended?
Anyone else have a View on the invention of barges or the lack there of
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.26 10:10:00 -
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Every bpo that can be used in the invention process has an "invention" tab that lists skills and materials required to invent it.
Barges have no such tab.
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
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Kagashi
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Posted - 2006.11.26 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Every bpo that can be used in the invention process has an "invention" tab that lists skills and materials required to invent it.
Barges have no such tab.
But are Barges the only ship type that cant be invented?
And if so .. why only barges?
Is there a plan to make these Barges inventable?
Why do combat players get all the new toys while us miners get left behind? (yes im awear that the Rohk is a sweet mining battleship lol)
Are they worried that an explosion of T2 barges will flood the market with minerals?
Surely if that was the case then they could just make them stupidly hard to invent like Command ships
There are a few questions id love tux to answer but this is up near the top of my list.
Im just getting sick of my covetor i guess and would love to mine lowsec with just a fraction more tankability.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.26 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kagashi
But are Barges the only ship type that cant be invented? And if so .. why only barges?
I try to limit my answers to "what is" and avoid "why is".
I doubt any answer would be widely suitable so I doubt any would be coming. Doing so would only pour gasoline on the fire that is the "MAJOR PATCH COMING!!!!!" hysteria that sweeps Eve at the moment.
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
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Kagashi
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Posted - 2006.11.26 14:31:00 -
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I must admit the only answers to "Why" questions i take with much seriousness are answers that come from CCP.
Though it can be interesting to discuss it, realy only they know for sure "why" anying in eve.
But also if we dont ask then no Dev is gona give us an answer as to why.
Yeah there is alot of Chicken littling and chest beating over the patch but hey.. im a miner.... i take things as they come and leave the crying to the Pirates and their prey ..
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Sarf
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:30:00 -
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been poking around and noticed something.
The new T3 battles ships have the invention tab.... What do you get if you invent something?
I am not aware of any Tech-2 battle ships, are you?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.26 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sarf
I am not aware of any Tech-2 battle ships, are you?
That would be telling wouldn't it?
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sarf
been poking around and noticed something.
The new T3 battles ships have the invention tab.... What do you get if you invent something?
I am not aware of any Tech-2 battle ships, are you?
hmmm...
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.26 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarf
been poking around and noticed something.
The new T3 battles ships have the invention tab.... What do you get if you invent something?
I am not aware of any Tech-2 battle ships, are you?
Not yet, no, but "Flagships" have been something that has been said would come out for a long time now.
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Braaage
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.26 22:18:00 -
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No u cannot invent elite barges on the current Sisi build.
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Vorgus
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Posted - 2006.11.27 03:13:00 -
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So no relief for the insanly over priced 500mil hulks and again the minners get the shaft. The ship upgrade mods are largly worthless to barges. Barges are for mining not combat, so weapons/shields boost are no good. Armor isnt going to help the barge nearly as much as just using combat drones insted of mining drones. Not much use in the cargo booster as a barge mines to a can. the mining drone booster can't be used with the mining module as not enough cpu/power and the module at 5% boost to the lasers does a lot more for mining then the 10% for drones.
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Cain Calzon
Caldari
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:24:00 -
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also inventing transport ships isnt possible either, no invention tabs on T1 industrials.
speaking of inventions on BSs, theres also an invention tab on frigates such as bantam, griffin, tormentor, etc. there arent any T2 version of these. since bantam and tormentor are mining frigs and griffin is a frig EW platform.
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Braaage
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:57:00 -
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Can we have a DEV response to this please that this will be fixed or are all the Elite barge BPOs DEV property 
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RaTTuS
BIG
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:35:00 -
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No invention on the Industrail | mining barges as far as I can tell
all battleships get an ivention slot
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Voldimer Darkblade
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Posted - 2006.11.27 19:56:00 -
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Please, lets get an official response, this doesn't make any sense why you can invent some t2 but not others. 500m for a hulk is just the reason the invention system is being put in IMO. |
Kagashi
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Posted - 2006.11.27 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cain Calzon
also inventing transport ships isnt possible either, no invention tabs on T1 industrials.
speaking of inventions on BSs, theres also an invention tab on frigates such as bantam, griffin, tormentor, etc. there arent any T2 version of these. since bantam and tormentor are mining frigs and griffin is a frig EW platform.
As much as i realy would love a T2 banatm (no realy) I do find it odd that non combat ships such as trasport ships and Barges are excluded from Invention.
Unlike Barges i cant see any reason wht transport ships SHOULD be excluded from invention.. i mean all they do is transport stuff.
Barges i can kind of understand if CCP is worried about flooding the mineral/ice market.
Strangely enough i dont believe that invention of Hulks will effect the price of them at all.. not one bit.. .. they are fairly tough to make (so im told) and if invention is ever planed to be put in for them then it will most likely be compareable to command ship invention... months and months of RP
I comment from CCP is well warrented
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.27 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kagashi
A comment from CCP is well warrented
Don't hold your breath.
We are in the final hours tick tick ticking away. And when the ticker stops a ticking CCP is going to be facing roughly 24 hours of nail biting hell. If they are lucky it will only be 24 hours. If they are not it will be RMR egg all over their faces and hind ends chewed over from here till TQ is up and running. (And that would be the mild reaction...)
It's so odd how everyone keeps saying "Me Me Me Me" at a time when the last thing we need is for anyone to distract these guys from what they are about to do.
Somethings are simply not going to be changed at the last minute. This is one of them. (I just thought I'd add that too.)
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
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Kagashi
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
It's so odd how everyone keeps saying "Me Me Me Me" at a time when the last thing we need is for anyone to distract these guys from what they are about to do.
Somethings are simply not going to be changed at the last minute. This is one of them. (I just thought I'd add that too.)
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I personaly didnt expect an instant reaction or a fix this side of kali 3
It just seemed strange to me that some t2 ships were uninventable so i thought id ask the question.
far be it from me to tell anyone at CCP what their prioitys should be and with the patch so close id be shocked if they did change anything to do with anything unless it was truely game breaking.
But seeing as now the Patch is up and TQ seems happy maybe we could talk alittle more about my new Hulk fleet you are all gagging to invent for me ^_^
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