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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:32:25 -
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I constantly find myself questioning the game design logic that seems to flow through Fozzie.
Whether this is because he wants to be popular in the office or because he really thinks some things are the best way forward, I do not know.
Source for example
Heavy Missiles could be -7% instead of -10% damage
Heavy Launchers could fire +20% on what they do now.
This would give them a pretty average DPS.
 The essential point is that we have Fozzie SOV coming and we are constantly reassured, "We can always tweak it afterwards"
However, instead of tweaking the missle changes .... they have to bring out a whole load of new modules that will create even more distorted min-max fits that lack versatility, driving us further into rock-paper-scissors meta games.
The only constructive thing I can say, is that maybe he needs a holiday?
To step back and think more objectively.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38592
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:39:20 -
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IB4L for being a douche.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:43:50 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:IB4L for being a douche. "In before the lock for being a douche."
Strange that you would admit that! 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:45:31 -
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Svenja likes new radar icons. Reminds Svenja of Sam and Sam makes safe. |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:46:04 -
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Stop trying to think Jen. Problem solved 
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:46:41 -
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Considering the new mods would only really go in place of where you might currently fit a TP and lack the shared benefit of those TP's I'm not sure there will be much upset by them at all.
Beside the logic is pretty shaky. It's like saying if turrets just shot faster we wouldn't need TCs/TEs. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:48:37 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Stop trying to think Jen. Problem solved Not angry. 
I really think there is a problem in or around him. I might be tar brushing him because it is a boss of his that says, "Make this happen" or maybe he is just the face for a lot of these changes.
Yet, I think it is clear, that they saying they will stick to the tarred roads but keep driving off cliffs.
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Beside the logic is pretty shaky.. The logic in this example is that they will "tweak" things afterwards but they do not and don't get it right.
If you look at some of the graphs they display, they go, "Oh hey! Look we nerfed cruise missiles and Ravens must be fixed now because less people are flying them! Now all the battleships are in line."
However, all those pilots are shifting over to Tengus and then they need to nerf those to whack the moles.
There is an argument that in MMO design there should always be some imbalance to keep making the players run from one build / fit / gear setup / race / profession to the other so you can recycle your content.
EVE could be properly balanced but it is constantly having more bandaids slapped on with more min-max power leaps.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10393
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:50:38 -
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This way we have to make fitting choices rather than just getting buffed missiles, it's making them considerably more engaging to fit.
I will soon have interesting choices to make with my missile boats, I can trade tank,dps or utility slots on my hulls for better projection and/or application much like I can with turrets.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:51:11 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Only a complete imbecile would try to dump major gameplay changes on a single dev
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:52:42 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Only a complete imbecile would try to dump major gameplay changes on a single dev
In MARVELlous Latvia, Doctor Doom thinks for all of us. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10393
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:52:49 -
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I genuinely don't see how you could be baffled by these new modules.
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:53:07 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Not angry.
Erm, the link was for everyone else reading your daft posts.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I really think there is a problem in or around him. I might be tar brushing him because it is a boss of his that says, "Make this happen" or maybe he is just the face for a lot of these changes.
Yet, I think it is clear, that they saying they will stick to the tarred roads but keep driving off cliffs.
That's nice dear. Let it all out.
Solecist Project wrote: See, the issue isn't the rubbing
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1750
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:57:32 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Erm, the link was for everyone else reading your daft posts. I do not click strange domains.Paranoid Loyd wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Only a complete imbecile would try to dump major gameplay changes on a single dev However, I am not.
I have made many qualifying statements for my opinion and expressed from the offset how I can be wrong. I am describing a perception. This cloud that seems to surround what he / his team puts out.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2015.06.25 18:59:19 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Marsha Mallow wrote:Only a complete imbecile would try to dump major gameplay changes on a single dev However, I am not. I have made many qualifying statements for my opinion and expressed from the offset how I can be wrong. I am describing a perception. This cloud that seems to surround what he / his team puts out.
You are not imbecile or you are not dumping all on CCP Fozzy? |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:00:36 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:However, I am not. This contradicts the title of your post, either change it or stop lying.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1750
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:01:00 -
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Svenja Timofeyeva wrote:... You are not imbecile or you are not dumping all on CCP Fozzy? Neither.
I am not in the CCP office so I can't point out the problem more clearly. However, there is a long list of developers and a lot of other teams that work tirelessly in EVE and produce good results most of the time.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door
We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:01:06 -
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Thanks for sharing your inability to see beyond your "fav ship hull".
Wonderful job done all round.
Smacked an enrichment module, insulted a very brave and counciled game designer and still thinks they know betterer than the "guys holding all the data".
Spazzing spectacular
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Cyber SGB
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:01:18 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:IB4L for being a douche. "In before the lock for being a douche." Strange that you would admit that!
Douche nozzle is better.
Say it with me. Douche nozzle.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1750
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:03:04 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:However, I am not. This contradicts the title of your post, either change it or stop lying. Fan boys happy now? 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11603
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:04:04 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I constantly find myself questioning the game design logic that seems to flow through Fozzie. Whether this is because he wants to be popular in the office or because he really thinks some things are the best way forward, I do not know. Source for exampleHeavy Missiles could be -7% instead of -10% damage Heavy Launchers could fire +20% faster than what they do now. (RoF is not reload times) This would give them a pretty average DPS. The essential point is that we have Fozzie SOV coming and we are constantly reassured, "We can always tweak it afterwards" However, instead of tweaking the missle changes .... they have to bring out a whole load of new modules that will create even more distorted min-max fits that lack versatility, driving us further into rock-paper-scissors meta games. The only constructive thing I can say, is that maybe he needs a holiday? To step back and think more objectively.
You know your posting this is counter productive right? It makes you look like a fool, it generates nothing but derision in your direction, it will get locked as abusive towards a dev and it makes those of us with actual concerns about some of the things the DEVs are doing look like loons by association.
Next time take a minute and think before pressing the post button.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1750
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:05:06 -
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Cyber SGB wrote:Say it with me. Douche nozzle. I don't really want to call him or you that.
He wrote, "I am writing here before this thread is locked in order for me to be a douche" I know what he intended to say but it is easy to read it my way. 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10398
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:06:20 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Svenja Timofeyeva wrote:... You are not imbecile or you are not dumping all on CCP Fozzy? Neither. I am not in the CCP office so I can't point out the problem more clearly. However, there is a long list of developers and a lot of other teams that work tirelessly in EVE and produce good results most of the time.
That said, would it not then be more likely that you just don't get these changes rather than the changes lacking any inherent logic?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:07:22 -
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So.. let me get this straight.. the missile changes make you question logic... but somehow tweaking the RoF of the Tempest in order to fix the Ishtar... didn't.
Now im baffled.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1750
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:07:42 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:You know your posting this is counter productive right? It makes you look like a fool, it generates nothing but derision in your direction, it will get locked as abusive towards a dev and it makes those of us with actual concerns about some of the things the DEVs are doing look like loons by association. I think there is no real hope left.
They come up with a stupid change, decide they must push it forward. Get a lot of rage and then look for the closest compromise to their objective in order to say, "We listened to our players"
Meanwhile, we bleed players because a lot of people are still annoyed.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Marsha Mallow
2269
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:09:18 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:However, I am not. This contradicts the title of your post, either change it or stop lying. Fan boys happy now?
Nope. 'I am an imbecile, proof inside' would be more appropriate.
The other Jen is right btw. Feedback to gameplay change proposals go in the appropriate feedback thread. The one you linked in the OP but then ignored so you could open a new, redundant and abusive topic here.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:The only constructive thing I can say, is that maybe he needs a holiday?
To step back and think more objectively.
Carry on like this, and you'll probably be the one on a well-deserved holiday.
Solecist Project wrote: See, the issue isn't the rubbing
ISD Ezwal wrote: Nope, no one will get banned for 'rubbing'
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11607
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:11:18 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:
The other Jen is right btw.
I think you meant "The real Jen" , because of this principle
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Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:11:19 -
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I congratulate you for thread attracting most famous peoples from forum in first two pages! |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1750
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:13:57 -
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Ah but your name is a farce, a little pun. So, not a genuine Jen at all.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1520
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:15:43 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:That said, would it not then be more likely that you just don't get these changes rather than the changes lacking any inherent logic?
This feels entirely accurate given the proposed alternatives in the op. Like the point of having options for application and range would be addressed by a blanket damage buff. |
Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2015.06.25 19:18:08 -
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