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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: OverKill on 13/11/2003 23:34:35
Hadean Drive Yards, long known as a politically neutral Corporation has requested a cluster of four to five systems (specific systems) from the XIF and remain independant of the XIF.
This reasonable request was denied although no other sources from the XETIC were consulted. HDY approached this situation as a matter of respect to the X-Trading Company, the Colossus Technology firm and the other members of the XETIC as all have been around and remained successful for a large part of this portion of the Universe's history.
We were spit upon in return.
After attempting to contact the Colossus Tech Chief Executive Officer, delegates from HDY met with an Executive of Colossus Technologies.
The executive, Sophosuni, stated that we were welcome to apply to the Xetic however they would not ceede these systems to Hadean Drive Yards because "we would eventually spread out into the entire region" and because "we would have the protection of the XETIC without supplying any of our own ships to their forces".
When it was stated that Hadean did not need the entire region, nor do we need another organizations protection we were ignored.
During the negotiations the CT representative also stated that "If you are willing to change your mind contact me until then I have more important things to do" and terminated communications immediately and without any class or tact.
Before doing so however another statement, issued by the Colossus Tech Executive, was heard; "You would never survive a war with all of XETIC."
Being that the amount of space controlled by the XETIC is massive the Executive Branch of the Drive Yards felt that our request was reasonable and something which would be seen as a benifit to the XETIC.
Afterall, who would not want an independant and dedicated ship building Corporation in their space. We would be able to supply the XETIC and its allies with ships yet the XETIC enemies would be denied this simply by geography.
At this time it is unclear what action will result due to this most grevious insult however word has it that communications terminals all over the universe are beeping with activity as favors are being called in and it was confirmed that the manufacturing facilities of the Drive Yards have ramped up production.
The stock market confirmed activitiy as shares in Hadean Drive Yards rose an estimated 12% today closing at a quarterly high of 120.6 points.
Regards,
Michael "OverKill" Carter
Chief Executive Officer
Hadean Drive Yards
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.11.14 01:10:00 -
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This surprises you in some way? I used to farm down there and not once in two months did I see a single podkill. They move in and hey - 3 in the first day 
As to what you can do about it - well it's simple. Pick three points (I'm sure you can use the map) and stop them using those routes. That makes them 100% dependent on CA and I'm sure that CA will work that out too 
As I am now a director of my corp I guess the usual disclaimer applies - ie these are my views and not my corp's 
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OverKill
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Posted - 2003.11.14 01:17:00 -
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LOL well we've thought of that but why waste OUR time on an individual who had no grace or tact and failed in his representation of the organization with which he is attached. It is simply not worth a war over one man.
We could offer any potential enemy of the XIF 50% off any vessel we produce hell we might even join another Alliance and take ourselves off the politically neutral peg and find somewhere that will be invading the XIF soon.
But thats just the thoughts of someone who feels spited by a lesser officer and his poor handling of political sitautions. I know for the most part that CT and XT are honorable fellows and that bad apples slip through the *****s everwhere.
The comments in this post are MY views and not the official response of HDY.
I guess I am just having a hard time with anyone claiming 4 REGIONS of space when they barely have enough people online to control 2 of them.
I parked an alt of mine down in 66-PMM and met 4 people the entire trip through the XIF space. Doesn't anyone else feel this is a little bit silly and in all probability not possible to maintain.
Personally I will tune my Holovision in when an invasion begins and see what fireworks will be played on ENN.
Regards,
OK
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.11.14 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: agrizla on 14/11/2003 01:26:40
Overkill - they can't control any of the space they claim. It's too far from any station other than in Stain or Curse (and that's still pushing it).
One of these days either CA or SA will decide to expand and it'll be "bye bye Xetic". No malice, no prejudice, just simple logistics.
My bet is on it being SA who do it - simply because I saw more SA mining ops there than I did CA (when I was still down there).
We'll see I guess....
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/11/2003 09:11:00
Overkill,
I was not present at the time of your meeting with our executive Sophosuni, but can imagine a number of reasons why he dismissed your request out of hand. Since I am not in the know as to which specific systems you request to be put under your governance I cannot judge wether any of these reasons might have applied.
If you read the Xetic charter you will have seen that we formed the Emensea Federation for the sole purpose of letting non-Xetic corporations mine in the emensea region. Only the regions below the Emensea region are closed space. The fact that the Emensea region controls all approaches there means we have to keep a check on who enters and leaves the region. We do not want mining operations started in the lower regions, neither do we want permanent mining operations in place in Emensea region.
You will understand that ceding a number of systems to you (even only a few) will mean that your political neutrality will be compromised anyway. If you want to have full rights of access to ,and settlement in, any system in the Xetic-controlled regions, you would have to apply for membership of the Xetic Alliance.
However, since HDY might indeed be a friend of much worth to the Xetic Alliance, I advise you to try to contact Night once more. I will also inform him of your concerns. There may be other options that can be found to suit either party.
For the time being, I can only assure you that I can not imagine that we would want to insult you or your corporation in any way. You should know that Xetic tries to achieve and hold the same politically neutral position you hold so dearly. Even when I have no authority to speak for my corporation or alliance I will hereby apologise for any insult given. I strongly suspect that your request was dismissed as it was due to our executives being extremely busy with Xetic affairs of late.
Lastly, please be advised that I hold no position of authority in either my corporation, or in the Xetic Alliance. The above represents my personal opinion and view of this matter only.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:23:00 -
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500k isk says HDY could roll down there and fly around anytime they wanted and you kids couldnt do anything about it 
Dont **** of OK, he's got a bad temper
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:47:00 -
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Please do not insult me, as I did not insult you Deathwish. 
Let us leave the matter to those responsible.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:51:00 -
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Deathwish?? Who dat?
*looks around for Deathwish*
Nope, no deathwish here
*also looks around for the insult*
nope, dont see that either
Can i borrow your magic glasses to find these things pls?
kthxluvyabye
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.11.14 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Primer Xenius on 14/11/2003 11:22:08
Overkill, if you want to discuss the situation, contact me.
I think it would of been better to discuss this issue more before turning it into a public PR exercise down here. Rarely anything good comes out of discussions on these forums.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2003.11.14 10:44:00 -
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They move in and hey - 3 in the first day
You are surprising me would be nice if you had some evidence that there "were" 3 podkills in Immensea and that they were caused by us.
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DaSaint
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Posted - 2003.11.14 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/11/2003 09:11:00
If you read the Xetic charter you will have seen that we formed the Emensea Federation for the sole purpose of letting non-Xetic corporations mine in the emensea region.[/b]
Uhm, you should read the charter, too, it's Immensea, not Emensea. Are you sure you "rule" that portion of space? I mean, any doubt is perfectly legitimate when you can't even spell the name of the place you live in...
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wacko
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:00:00 -
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As I have raised a similar concern as Hadean Shipyards has raised these corporations and large bodies like these that claim so called "free" space... I think need to be stopped or regulated or atleast take an active role in bettering this econ and allow for corps such as Hadean to atleast make an effort to mine in ares where it would not only be profitable to XETIC but Hadean shipywards as well. So i agree that action needs to be take and I hope that the members of Hadean and other corporations really look into what should be done about these groups.
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Night
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:14:00 -
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*Throws his bags on the floor* Right im back.
Ok, message in box from HDY... Hmm... Spams on the forums...
Ok Michael... Before you start spaming all over these forums, Ive not even been home for 2 days.. and the executive you spoke to was not an executive, he's a noob recruitment officer.
1) Please delete your posts, as you have no right to spam like this before actually talking with a diplomat of the XETIC alliance (due to RL problems I know ive not been online for 2 days. sorry.)
2) If you can wait till tonight, I will disscuss the matter with you properly. (about 8.30 GMT, ingame)
3) So why do you want ot blacken our name before youve even spoke with us?
4) Oh and as for thos "pod kills" my friends, they are nasty little pirates coming to play with XETIC, in fact as of this moment, we've not even acted apon any of our requests for people to leave our area, as everyone has agreed and left without conflict.
So as an out of char speak.. I say.. "Stop bloody whining.. if you dont get a reply within 2 days gees, grow up, everyone has a life and we dont play eve 24/7"
Mods, please lock till further notice please.
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semp
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:21:00 -
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Its one thing to SAY you going to take over an area of space and to lay claim to it. Its another thing doing it......what makes me laugh the most out of all this is that XETIC have claimed 4 systems for there own exclusive use, yet they think its ok for them to use the Curse stations to refine the ore they mine.....its good to share.
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:24:00 -
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yep last night 3 pirates come to play... but everything they did was run around and hide...
no one want to play with me
LOL
( i want system scaner moducle in the next bug fix patch)
and btw: we all do spealing error
some dont speak very good english
so dont start with immersa or emersa or emirsa
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linux4ever
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:26:00 -
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Hello!
This is only my opinion, not any offizial statement.
You want some Systems in the XIF Region, a safe place, only for your Corp without responsibility to make sure that this region itselfs stayes a safe place?
I would tell this parasite.
Join the alliance an you have the right to settle few systems AND the duty to help safing the region.
regards,
linux4ever
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wacko
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:29:00 -
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1) Please delete your posts, as you have no right to spam like this before actually talking with a diplomat of the XETIC alliance (due to RL problems I know ive not been online for 2 days. sorry.)
2) If you can wait till tonight, I will disscuss the matter with you properly. (about 8.30 GMT, ingame)
3) So why do you want ot blacken our name before youve even spoke with us?
4) Oh and as for thos "pod kills" my friends, they are nasty little pirates coming to play with XETIC, in fact as of this moment, we've not even acted apon any of our requests for people to leave our area, as everyone has agreed and left without conflict.
Mods, please lock till further notice please.
I just think this is funny. These corps part of these huge groups can come in and say stuff like "blacken our name " or "Mods, please lock till further notice please." I find it funny that when put on the spot or dealt with or questioned the curl behind there power as a group, as a threat to eve economy by coming back with stuff like "pirates are coming in" or " I have not been on for two days" or "Blacken our names". Why can't Hadean Shipyards just have the ability to freely mine in your areas? Thats because your charter prevenst it.. your charter says it can't happen. Why kind of free open economy says I can't do something ? Why free market world says," I amm allowed to pod kill people just because they are working in my area ?" What kind of free market world allows for un-checked power and un-checked action go on ???
I ask the players of this game... since when has it been our duty to serve these other corporations in these ways ? I point you to a thread on this very forum http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=43183 thats has people begging and asking for passage or to be allowed to mine in a so called free market world...
So the CEO of Colossus tech, says in out of char,"Stop bloody whining.. if you dont get a reply within 2 days gees, grow up, everyone has a life and we dont play eve 24/7" Yet he is willing to stand before this very forum and complain and make excuses and "bloody Whining" about how Hadean Shipyard chose to make this an issue... because it is an issue and I commend Overkill in his efforts to bring the issue of Claimed space forward and I hope that players take action.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:34:00 -
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ahh...and here begins the inevitable downward slide.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/11/2003 11:43:22
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/11/2003 11:42:25
wacko, you have made your point clear enough in your own thread. No need to hijack someone else's. So let's not discuss the pros and cons of alliances.
And secondly, we are not trying to be arrogant, we are trying to be decent people that don't overreact or whine without exploring other options first. (This remark is not targetted at HDY in any way btw., just trying to clear it up for wacko's sake)
Again, i have no official capacity whatsoever. Worse still, I find myself without any capacity whatsoever regularly.
edits=typos
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wacko
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:47:00 -
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wacko, you have made your point clear enough in your own thread. No need to hijack someone else's. So let's not discuss the pros and cons of alliances.
I am not trying to hijack anyones thread. I think my issue is the same issue HDY has. that these groups need to be dealt with or need to be regulated and should not be able to thrown there kind fo weight around and should not be able to do the kinds of things they do.
I once again commend the CEO HDY for bring up this crucial issue that I think will become a front runner of issues in the months and weeks and years to come. I think people will either concede to these corps and allow them to run everything or take action. I hope that people take action.
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linux4ever
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:51:00 -
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@wacko
"Why can't Hadean Shipyards just have the ability to freely mine in your areas? "
Because a free Region must be secured thought rules that safe this freedom.
In our society it is ensured throught laws and courts.
In eve its ensured throught alliances.
anarchy (freedom without rules) is not really a stable freedom.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:57:00 -
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I will continue the discussion in your "economic senate" thread if you want to, for the sake of the argument.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/11/2003 12:01:45
oops, DP
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.11.14 12:13:00 -
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I once again commend the CEO HDY for bring up this crucial issue that I think will become a front runner of issues in the months and weeks and years to come. I think people will either concede to these corps and allow them to run everything or take action. I hope that people take action.
wacko, is not HDY part of the NVA? If so, there are minerals there too and last time I heard, due to hostilities, the region was closed off.
Furthermore, we have not fired upon anyone but those that come to cause problems. Immensea is actually open to most if you want to come down.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Gib Goblin
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Posted - 2003.11.14 13:09:00 -
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We're little taken aback in Hadean at the rudeness of the Xetic Member.
Overkill presented a letter, and then a channel was opened to talk directly.
Instead of debate and discussion, the talk decended into base language. Why should a person representing XETIC or any corp for that matter need to resort to insulting my CEO?
I was present, i.e online with my CEO - Overkill, when he opened a comms channel with the XETIC Rep. Overkills post here is VERY restrained considering how he was treated.
Regardless of what decisions/agreements may or may not be concluded: The character of their initial Represenation has been less than honourable. I hope now that discussions can continue anew between the respective CEO's.
I hope the talks can be conducted in a clear and calm manner with no room for with no confusion - HadeanDriveYards is looking for its permanent Home.
We have informed XETIC first. The ball, as they say, is in their court now.
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Posted - 2003.11.14 13:18:00 -
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To be honest....I don`t understand that whole discussion!
@Overkill
U had a major request!
1. Don`t u think writing a short message to the XETIC diplomates hasn`t be a better way to discuss that majorissue?
2. with some exceptions everyone is free to be in Immensea for hunting and mining. The 4 arms are closed atm.
3. U don`t want to be a part of IF for further rights?!. Fair enough!
but
This area is the home of XETIC and IF! We have some rules as every other allianze too!
U made a request wich is far beyond the "ordinary"!
U invested ur time to write this nice post in place of writing a post with 2 lines like "I have a request, plz contact me" to the right persons of XETIC. (by the way u can talk to me to!)
@wako
it is always nice to see a person like u trying to root for agression!
If u have a problem with us....speak with us!
I know it`s hard because a backbone is needed but u should try. Most of us are nice people who know, that there is allways a peacefull way of coexistance!
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sophosuni
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Posted - 2003.11.14 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: sophosuni on 14/11/2003 15:06:44
here is the chat log of the overkill conversation make of it what you will.
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Channelname: OverKill conversation
Listener: sophosuni
Session started: 2003.11.13 22:39:41
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[ 2003.11.13 22:40:12 ] sophosuni > sorry about that he can be annoying sometimes
[ 2003.11.13 22:40:18 ] OverKill > I'm sure you will understand when I state that HDY has no political agenda, nor do we wish any. We are a neutral Corporation who will do business with all (pending current relations of course). By joining the XIF we are viewed as having allied ourselves with your organization.
[ 2003.11.13 22:40:30 ] sophosuni > he comes into the channel to try and steal prospective recruits
[ 2003.11.13 22:40:52 ] sophosuni > we are a neutral alliance
[ 2003.11.13 22:41:04 ] OverKill > We are seeking the 4 systems from your current block of 4 regions. This would reduce your Xetic holdings by less than 5%
[ 2003.11.13 22:41:09 ] sophosuni > we dontally with curse, stain or anyone else
[ 2003.11.13 22:41:33 ] sophosuni > we try to keep the peace and allow trade to flow
[ 2003.11.13 22:42:05 ] sophosuni > but you will not be allowed to set up permenant base in immensea unless you join the immensea federation
[ 2003.11.13 22:43:23 ] sophosuni > otherwise you would get the benefits of our protection in immensea nd the route from it to empire space but would not attach ships to our security force to help us
[ 2003.11.13 22:43:27 ] OverKill > I'm very sorry to hear that Sir... The amount of space your alliance has claimed is unacceptable and the fact that you are not willing to share without subjecting Hadean to a policy set forth by yourselves is again unacceptable... If this is the final word I will accept it and pass it to my board of Directors. It looks like things will be getting very expensive for both HDY and Xetic
[ 2003.11.13 22:44:13 ] sophosuni > you can by all means get in contact with some of the other xetic directors but there response would be the same
[ 2003.11.13 22:44:38 ] sophosuni > i dont understand why you would have a problem with being in the if
[ 2003.11.13 22:45:11 ] OverKill > That is not necessary sir... I will advise my BoD and pending their decision (already forgone but for the sake of roleplaying) we will notify you with an official declaration soon.
[ 2003.11.13 22:45:35 ] sophosuni > decleration for what?
[ 2003.11.13 22:46:58 ] OverKill > War sir, war. We simply asked for 4 systems, independant of your rules and organization, we did not ask for protection of any kind as our entire fleet is battleship capable with a multitude of weapons and equipment. We simply asked for 4 systems where we could be left alone and in peace. You denied us that request as is your right to do, now we must seek alternative means of accessing the realestate we seek
[ 2003.11.13 22:47:18 ] OverKill > I will inform the BoD and our allies and we will commence offensive operations forthwith.
[ 2003.11.13 22:47:46 ] sophosuni > if we gave you 4 systems and safe passage you may slowly spread through the whole region
[ 2003.11.13 22:48:29 ] sophosuni > none of us want a war with you but do not think you can bully us into giving you anything
[ 2003.11.13 22:48:49 ] sophosuni > you would not stand a chance against the whole of xetic in a war
[ 2003.11.13 22:49:54 ] OverKill > Of course not my good fellow. HDY does not bully anyone. We came to you in peace and asked of you a small portion of your space. You denied it. Now we can commence operations... We may not stand a chance my good sir however I would NEVER have even considered a war unless we had allies to call upon, which we most certainly do. Again, its not about WINNING the war with Xetic its about making it expensive enough to show you its not profitable when you could simply cede four systems and have done with it.
[ 2003.11.13 22:50:33 ] sophosuni > that will not happen. we do not respond to blackmail
[ 2003.11.13 22:50:54 ] OverKill > Its not blackmail since you have already told us no
[ 2003.11.13 22:51:04 ] sophosuni > as members of the if you would have access to all of immensea
[ 2003.11.13 22:51:17 ] OverKill > We don't need access to all of the Immensea
[ 2003.11.13 22:51:37 ] sophosuni > trying these tactics will just make life very short for you
[ 2003.11.13 22:51:55 ] OverKill > I doubt that my good sir, however life will become very expensive for both organizations.
[ 2003.11.13 22:52:07 ] OverKill > Listen, if you want to speak frankly I will do so
[ 2003.11.13 22:52:18 ] sophosuni > we have plenty of money so that is not a problem
[ 2003.11.13 22:53:02 ] OverKill > Why commit your organization to war when you could give up less than 5% of your space and not worry about an enemy on your door step. Why spend your money in a war of a
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.11.14 14:37:00 -
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ROFL
Thats one superlative piece of diplomacy Overkill. Gimmme or your dead and you wonder why people have been a little rough on you.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Finderne
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Posted - 2003.11.14 14:55:00 -
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If you read the Xetic charter you will have seen that we formed the Emensea Federation for the sole purpose of letting non-Xetic corporations mine in the emensea region. Only the regions below the Emensea region are closed space. The fact that the Emensea region controls all approaches there means we have to keep a check on who enters and leaves the region. We do not want mining operations started in the lower regions, neither do we want permanent mining operations in place in Emensea region.
If the sole purpose is to allow non-XETIC corps the ability to mine there, why does your charter say: "Only members of XETIC and Immensea Federation are allowed to anchor containers" ?
With the length of hauling to the nearest neutral (non SA or CA) refining station, I'd say those rules effectively restricts mining to the XETIC, SA or CA. Then again, this is all pretty much a hypothetical IMO. I don't see 4 corporations (majority in GMT timezones) being able to control 5 regions. Especially with no stations.
Sorry if this is perceived as another derailing of the thread. I was just curious whether XETIC was saying they'd allow mining, but end up making it hugely impractical was an oversight or a PR game/
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sophosuni
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: sophosuni on 14/11/2003 15:08:20
sorry it didnt all fit on here is the rest of it
in a war of attrition when you could further your own goals instead of rebuild lost equipment. I certainly don't want to spend our resources doing so but I will if I must because I believe your being unreasonable with our request.
[ 2003.11.13 22:53:19 ] sophosuni > if you change your mind then please contact us again. other wise i have more important things to do
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