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Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5076	Posted - 2015.06.26 19:20:56 - [61] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: John Revenent wrote: You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD. Even if the demands are within their mandate, the threats are not, and frankly, given CONCORD's recent continued actions, I don't think handing the samples over would be the right thing to do even if it is the legal thing to do. Are they within their capabilities? That's more the question. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7177	Posted - 2015.06.26 19:34:01 - [62] - Quote Pilts may wish to be aware of CONCORD's recent release. The idea that DED wishes to lay the man to rest as a matter of respect and dignity is laughable at best. Do they care in the slightest about the thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands of corpses that litter New Eden? Do they routinely offer rites on behalf of the dead? Trying to cast this matter as one of 'respect for the dead' is a crass, callous, and utterly transparent effort to play on public sentiment, and little reason to render four capsuleers outlaws when they had already met the spirit of CONCORD's request. Were Eifyr & Co. or the relatives of the late Hilen Tukoss to request Tukoss's remains, then this would be another matter entirely. As it stands, my respect for CONCORD as an institution lessens with each day. More after I complete some consultations. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
H1de0 Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 12	Posted - 2015.06.26 19:42:53 - [63] - Quote John Revenent wrote: You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD. Those who call themselves Caldari Loyalists should push for the lawful transfer of Hilen Tukoss's remains: "The advice of the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari Business Tribunal is, after a discussion this morning, to encourage all those involved to comply with interstellar law, and bring this ridiculous situation to a close in line with the law." As our representatives have stated many times during this discussion, the sample in question is not within IKAME's possession. If otherwise, CEP's call would have been in place but, as the situation stands, I would expect the Panel to push the other side to step down from their threats. Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 983	Posted - 2015.06.26 19:47:17 - [64] - Quote Threatening IKAME and our members for things outside our control is most definitely out of line.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1687	Posted - 2015.06.26 19:54:54 - [65] - Quote I highly recommend that the associated individuals adhere to CONCORD demands and turn over the biomass. Should the individuals continue to refuse to cooperate, and should the corporations involved refuse to disassociate with their criminal members, I will be encouraging my alliance to reset relations. The Court Chamberlain has expressed solidarity with CONCORD in this matter. PIE will not maintain positive relations with those who act contrary to interstellar law. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 140	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:03:18 - [66] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Pilts may wish to be aware of CONCORD's recent release. The idea that DED wishes to lay the man to rest as a matter of respect and dignity is laughable at best. Do they care in the slightest about the thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands of corpses that litter New Eden? Do they routinely offer rites on behalf of the dead? Trying to cast this matter as one of 'respect for the dead' is a crass, callous, and utterly transparent effort to play on public sentiment, and little reason to render four capsuleers outlaws when they had already met the spirit of CONCORD's request. Were Eifyr & Co. or the relatives of the late Hilen Tukoss to request Tukoss's remains, then this would be another matter entirely. As it stands, my respect for CONCORD as an institution lessens with each day. More after I complete some consultations. A bounty for execution? A bounty? Come on, you fat butts, I will stand next to each of these people and assist them with everything I have. What's the price tag on my head, huh?! Let's go, you, lazy-ass "law enforcers"! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 404	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:25:40 - [67] - Quote H1de0 wrote: As our representatives have stated many times during this discussion, the sample in question is not within IKAME's possession. If otherwise, CEP's call would have been in place but, as the situation stands, I would expect the Panel to push the other side to step down from their threats. CEP and the Tribunal is taking a stance of neutrality on the matter. However they do support the seizure of the remains in question as the DED request adheres to terms of interstellar law. I lobbied for a decrease in measures to avoid 'collateral damage' it was denied. In turn decorated members of my own organization will be designated as outlaws. One has already dutifully tendered their resignation because of this fiasco. We urge Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque to issue a release of the remains on behalf of Lord Lucas Raholan. If this is not possible Ishukone-Raata will be forced to echo the statements of our allies in Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1069	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:29:36 - [68] - Quote Lord Raholan should be ashamed of himself. As well as CONCORD for bullying all the other ones in the process. You all disgust me.
Frenjo Borkstar Borkstar Laboratories 89	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:30:18 - [69] - Quote If you're giving them bounties, I want one too. We're all equal in the scientific community! Bring it, Korachi you ****. Dr. Frenjo Borkstar, Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 983	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:30:37 - [70] - Quote So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage? No one besides Raholan even has samples to turn over to CONCORD, by holding other people hostage, CONCORD has shown themselves to be unjust, and anyone who would similarly strike at not-at-fault persons are similarly unjust. Were this JUST sanctions against Lucas Raholan, that would be a different matter, but they are threatening a great number of people with very harsh penalties; and rather than striking at your own members and allies, you should be showing solidarity with them.
Scherezad Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1923	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:35:41 - [71] - Quote CONCORD wrote: CONCORD's recent release. In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this. But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it. You will find me hard to break, General.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1267	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:37:39 - [72] - Quote So CONCORD are laying claim to Hilen Tukoss' remains under Article 8 Section B (2a) I assume as I thought Hilen was effectively stateless after he was kicked out by the Caldari bunch he worked for? If that is the case why are his remains a matter of security? Yet CONCORD stand by and watch Drifters take capsuleer corpses wherever they can get their grubby little tractor beams on them. I guess it is because the investigation remains open into his death? Trying to dress this up as respect for his remains whilst placing a bounty on scientists who are trying to understand exactly what happened and why is laughable. No capsuleer sees a corpse as anything more than biomass since that's exactly what it was built from in the first place. We destroyed our true bodies when we became capsuleers! Any clone we use now is a self mobile coptic jar to all intents and purposes. CONCORD need to think carefully about their actions here. Antagonizing the capsuleer community is really not a good idea. It would be far better to co-operate with and benefit from the expertise being applied to this issue rather than apply punitive measures against those trying to assist them.
Jennifer Maxwell Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 282	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:41:50 - [73] - Quote While I can not officially support Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd., I can ensure that no Crimson Serpent Syndicate employee, capsuleer or baseliner, will assist in any way with the hunt for these bounties. Furthermore, I will petition that the Heiian Conglomerate maintain neutrality in the matter.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5077	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:43:45 - [74] - Quote Scherezad wrote: CONCORD wrote: CONCORD's recent release. In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this. But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it. You will find me hard to break, General. You can always sleep on the couch, Scherezad-suuolo. We have little use for Concord, since they meddled in sovereign State affairs and tarnish our security status for simply doing our jobs. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Anslo Scope Works 31833	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:45:05 - [75] - Quote Scherezad wrote: CONCORD wrote: CONCORD's recent release. In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this. But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it. You will find me hard to break, General. And she's not alone. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 157	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:45:32 - [76] - Quote Given the recent release from the DED I would implore all parties involve, right or wrong to release the body to CONCORD. At this time I think it would be best to think of your employee's and crewmen, do not risk anymore lives over this when we can pursue all form of legal appeal after turning over Dr. Tukoss' remains. Sincerely K. Amsel
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 142	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:49:15 - [77] - Quote Vizage wrote: Given the recent release from the DED I would implore all parties involved, right or wrong to release the body to CONCORD. At this time I think it would be best to think of your employee's and crewmen, do not risk anymore lives over this when we can pursue all form of legal appeal after turning over Dr. Tukoss' remains. Sincerely K. Amsel That's exactly what people wanted and all they got was a price tag on their head. Well shame, CONCORD, we can stand our ground! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 405	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:51:30 - [78] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage? We are cooperating with CONCORD and the DED lawful requests. Capsuleers are in no position to dictate terms with the CONCORD assembly. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 159	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:53:53 - [79] - Quote Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose. I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which your position looks almost certainly like it will. -K
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1690	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:56:41 - [80] - Quote Xindi Kraid wrote: So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage? No one besides Raholan even has samples to turn over to CONCORD, by holding other people hostage, CONCORD has shown themselves to be unjust, and anyone who would similarly strike at not-at-fault persons are similarly unjust. Were this JUST sanctions against Lucas Raholan, that would be a different matter, but they are threatening a great number of people with very harsh penalties; and rather than striking at your own members and allies, you should be showing solidarity with them. Whether or not they are unjust is irrelevant. The only variable that determines PIE's stance is Amarr's stance, and the Court Chamberlain has made Amarr's stance clear. Perhaps some people place value in rioting against authority, but PIE does not. Order demands compliance with lawful authority, regardless of whatever personal reservations one may have with that authority. House Raholan stands to lose its titles and land and their lord be declared a criminal by Imperial authorities. Should SFRIM continue to stand by Lucas Raholan, they will be demonstrating support for his actions. PIE will not have our own name dragged through the mud as a result of the scandalous activities of our affiliates. They either sever their support of anti-authoritarian activities or it is very likely that we sever our support of them. This should not be surprising. "But guilt by association!" you will say. Well, yes. One's character is indeed determined by the company they keep. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1269	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:57:33 - [81] - Quote 'Heavy Handed'? This goes way past that, I haven't seen such huge bounties before, surely arrest warrants and search warrants would have made more sense. Any loss of life here will be on CONCORD's hands, it is they who are threatening violence and inciting others to the same.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 144	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:57:33 - [82] - Quote Vizage wrote: Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose. I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will. -K As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do? When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Anslo Scope Works 31839	Posted - 2015.06.26 20:57:43 - [83] - Quote Vizage wrote: Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose. I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will. -K I'm sorry but it's hard to justify working with a bunch of vindictive thugs when they condemn everyone for the bullheaded actions of a single idiot. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Euttere Geten Pathfind 9	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:08:02 - [84] - Quote Yeah, this reeks, worse than that last legal shadowplay CONCORD tried to sell. Maybe they're overly defensive due to Tyrannos incursion, which they have let go on unabated I might add, but heightened security is no excuse for this little tantrum. An organization that touts the rule of law shouldn't resort to bloodsport as a means of recourse: that's not justice but petty revenge. An organization that touts security shouldn't attempt to stimie and smother scientific inquiry, particularly one with potential implications for the whole cluster. If they had said that they wished to corroborate scientific findings and asked for materials, perhaps these citizens would be more cooperative. They've ignored signatory law, endangered the public welfare, and were quick to employ threat of violence as the means to a questionable end. I will not comply with their directive, and to the best of my ability, will provide logistical aid to any member of a corporation so threatened, particularly those who have had no involvement in the acquisition of Dr. Tukoss' remains. I invite CONCORD to either provide substantive justification for this show of bravado, not just some terse subparagraph of a soulless document, or openly breach Tribal law in the attempt to stop me.
H1de0 Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 16	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:16:35 - [85] - Quote John Revenent wrote: Xindi Kraid wrote: So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage? We are cooperating with CONCORD and the DED lawful requests. Capsuleers are in no position to dictate terms to the CONCORD assembly. Indeed we are in no position to dictate terms to either DED or CONCORD assembly, but we have every right to defend ourselves from false accusations and overuse of any intergalactic body's authority. Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
Liam Antolliere Liberty Vanguard 581	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:21:14 - [86] - Quote Disheartening. Disheartening and disappointing. Until this point, I had ordered corporate silence in relation to this matter within Liberty Vanguard, waiting to see if a more reasonable approach would be taken by the involved parties. The time for waiting, it seems, has ended. Liberty Vanguard, while a proponent of lawful oversight and a supporter of the due process of law and exercise of jurisdiction, cannot sit idly by while this blatant abuse of power and unjust persecution of individuals proceeds in spite of the intended cooperation of the involved individuals to the best of their abilities. In light of this, Liberty Vanguard public petitions CONCORD to: (a) reconsider the course of action it has chosen in prosecuting action against individual(s) by association regardless of their independent cooperation to the best of their ability and resources (b) restore the good standing of the aforementioned prosecuted individual(s) in lieu of their intended cooperation (c) demonstrate the ability to prosecute interstellar law and exercise jurisprudence with discretion and in the spirit of justice by focusing its intent on the lawful acquisition of the demanded resources and the prosecution solely of those individual(s) who seek to impede this acquisition It is with remorse but without hesitation that I personally add, if CONCORD wishes to persist in this flagrant abuse of power and disregard for the spirit of justice, you may as well adjust my standings as well. "Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 958	Posted - 2015.06.26 21:29:20 - [87] - Quote Vizage wrote: I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will. Um ... we are talking about capsuleers and CONCORD, aren't we? Considering the record on either side, and especially CONCORD's usual approach to punishing capsuleers ... wouldn't it be much more surprising if nobody died? (I agree that it's maybe not a good idea to be defying CONCORD, but it's going to be pretty neat to see whether we can, and how far....)
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5080	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:00:45 - [88] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: Vizage wrote: Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose. I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will. -K As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do? Not aggress DED warships and die futilely, I suspect. Nobody with significant Highsecurity interests will lift a finger - for obvious reasons. It's all very well for me to sit in low security space and offer support to my suuolen, but given the CEP's position, there's no way I'd lift a finger for strangers where it would likely get me obliterated! "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 961	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:01:57 - [89] - Quote Actually ... If everyone concerned wanted to resolve the "bounty" issue with minimal loss of life.... Supposing all the bounty subjects, at a certain date and time, gather at a certain station (perhaps CONCORD HQ in Yulai?) in unmodified or minimally-modified clones, along with a volunteer corps of other outlaw capsuleers (whoever wanted to participate)? At a certain time, all the targets, plus the random outlaw "chaff," undock and begin to make their way along a path of their own choosing through highsec towards a predetermined location. Any fast-locking capsuleers (prepared or otherwise) along the route get to take a crack at the passing swarm of capsules in hopes of catching one of the bounties. They'll be hard targets, but everyone has an issue with their navigation sooner or later. A good time is had by all, bounties are cleared, justice, as envisioned by CONCORD, is done, and the resulting renegade capsuleer biomass can be returned to CONCORD HQ for either CONCORD's use as it sees fit or as protest material. (Though might that last result in a Seeker feeding frenzy? Hm. ... that might make for a better protest, even, for those so inclined.)
Unit XS365BT Unit Commune 197	Posted - 2015.06.26 22:02:01 - [90] - Quote As CONCORD is the body responsible for the control of Capsuleers and their assets within High security space, we would suggest compliance. Further refusal to acquiesce to General Korachi's request is likely to incur further penalties. We Return. Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

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