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Royaldo KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:23:00 - [61] skip the rubbish... who owns the good moon in s9x?
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.27 19:19:00 - [62] Edited by: Audrea on 27/11/2006 19:19:16 Serapis, if after all your time in providence, you dont understand that there are other ways to enter the region, which are not through CVA space, then you are beyond help Originally by: Royaldo skip the rubbish... who owns the good moon in s9x? Not a NOS corp at this time... Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility!
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:50:00 - [63] Originally by: Crouasg UK is next in line. please mister. do not hurt me. U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webshosting
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 23:42:00 - [64] I'm assuming NOS will be as worthless as ever then? Manlove by Zaphod Jones
AcheLone Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:53:00 - [65] Originally by: Sidyous Good Evening all, It appears many people don't understand the CVAs policy. Lets make it clear we do not allow NBSI to be operated in our space and look down on those that do so in their space such as Imperial Order (who are not in the Citadel channel) and Momentum (who are also not in the Citadel). Another thing CVA does not accept piracy in Amarrian space. Other Empires and pod pilot alliances can deal with their law breakers in their own way our concern is the Amarr Empire. If any CVA member is fired upon without provocation, rules of our space are broken or piracy is committed within Amarr space then the parties involved are considered enemies of the CVA. There are other ways to join CVAs Kill on Sight list such as attempts to destabalise the Empire or what we have built. We changed NOS standings to neutral after some disagreements over their policy change (which I will not go into here). Momentum asked our stance towards them and I confirmed they were neutral as they have never commited piracy in our space or Amarr Empire space to the best of our knowledge. They did inform us they were here to attack NOS due to their standings with Ushra Khan and as the fights did not involve our space then it was not for us to interfere in a war. I was contacted by Transendence after Kaithia had announced to NOS and me that she was leaving and informed that he was speaking for NOS for the time being. Later on I was informed by Transendence that he had been voted in charge of NOS and he also invited MOM into chat for peace talks. I can assure you all that Transendence is no puppet but a proud leader of an alliance with similar goals to CVA in helping to make Providence a terrorist and pirate free area. Regards Lord Sidyous CEO Auctoritan Syndicate Leader of the CVA On the contrary your highness, they do act of piracy in your space as accord to these killmail:- 2006.11.24 07:21:00 Victim: DustinTheWind1 Corporation: Level Five Destroyed Type: Capsule Solar System: ZT-LPU System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: CHAOS100 (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.9 Corporation: Momentum. Ship Type: Unknown Weapon Type: Heavy Ion Blaster II As far as i know ZT-LPU is CVA space, so it will be a safe haven for all neutral which include NOS. And with these killmail do confirm MoMs do act NBSI in your space. I would not dare to speak before as i don't want to ruin Trancedence work. Now that i have leave NOS alliance, i have to speak a little if CVA do not aware of this. Well If MoMs do decide to KOS me, i can't help it. In terms of my ship lost, i have none against them yet, and so do theirs to me. I leave NOS because i'm a coward and also that i can't give NOS the commitment i have given before. Seeing my friend dying while i have to get some sleep is not acceptable to me. As for the future, I will operate in CVA space to assist CVA or searching for pirate kill (Unless prohibit by CVA). I would congratulate to Trans for became the new leader of NOS. I know he is the most suited of all and could gather all NOS members to his side. Good luck NOS. ------------------------------------------------ Why ppl look down at my raven. Its cool to have mining laser fitted.
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:05:00 - [66] Level Five corporation seems to be member of NOS, and I see that kill happened while the conflict was still on. I don't see the "neutral killing" here.

Saucerhead Forum Moderator	Posted - 2006.11.29 10:56:00 - [67] Madman interruptions deleted, again. -- Read the Rules!

Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:25:00 - [68] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 29/11/2006 11:25:29 Originally by: AcheLone On the contrary your highness, they do act of piracy in your space as accord to these killmail:- 2006.11.24 07:21:00 Victim: DustinTheWind1 Corporation: Level Five Destroyed Type: Capsule Solar System: ZT-LPU System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: CHAOS100 (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.9 Corporation: Momentum. Ship Type: Unknown Weapon Type: Heavy Ion Blaster II I find it odd that you chose to edit that mail. 2006.11.24 07:21 Victim: DustinTheWind1 Alliance: Novus Ordos Seclorum Corp: Level Five Destroyed: Capsule System: ZT-LPU Security: 0.0 Notice the inclusion of the Alliance name This incident happened on the 24th. MOM was asked on the 25th not to engage NOS in CVA space anymore. We agreed to this, which led to a stand off in AY-YCU. Not one shot was fired at their fleet in that system out of respect to CVA You are welcome to check our killboards. There is a recording of the standoff..and the battle that followed in NOS space http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0611/S9XBattle.mpg
Kmoki BloodStorm Elite Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:17:00 - [69] Considering that, to the best of my knowledge, it was never a CONCORD-sanctioned war, I think that the podding of neutrals in CVA space by MOM members merits some looking into. Especially when one considers that, within the bounds of the Empire, CONCORD and the holy fire of the fleet's lasers would have destroyed the assailant without a second thought.
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:29:00 - [70] Originally by: Kmoki Considering that, to the best of my knowledge, it was never a CONCORD-sanctioned war, I think that the podding of neutrals in CVA space by MOM members merits some looking into. Especially when one considers that, within the bounds of the Empire, CONCORD and the holy fire of the fleet's lasers would have destroyed the assailant without a second thought. If there had been any killing / podding of neutral parties in CVA space there would be merits for investigating. But like you see, for some reason Achelone decided to edit out the Alliance ticker from that killmail probably to conceal the fact that it was a legitimate part of the NOS vs MOM conflict.
CHAOS100 Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:34:00 - [71] That was a perfectly legitimate kill, during the war. You may as well post up the rest of the losses, because it really serves no purpose. --------------
Kmoki BloodStorm Elite Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:30:00 - [72] I think you missed the point, Morden. Since CVA exists to spread the rule of Amarrian law into Providence space, and in the Empire, all "legitimate" conflicts must be CONCORD-sanctioned, I fail to see how a unsanctioned war could be considered legitimate by CVA. So, by all rights, MOM podded a person who was legally a neutral, Providence politics aside.
Xeatrana	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Kmoki I think you missed the point, Morden. Since CVA exists to spread the rule of Amarrian law into Providence space, and in the Empire, all "legitimate" conflicts must be CONCORD-sanctioned, I fail to see how a unsanctioned war could be considered legitimate by CVA. So, by all rights, MOM podded a person who was legally a neutral, Providence politics aside. you daft ? he did not post his full kill mail he left away that it was stil in the time we where shooting nos and he was IN nos at that moment. so its a legal kill. but what eevaa you guys gave a good ficht you lost we won end of story.
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Kmoki I think you missed the point, Morden. Since CVA exists to spread the rule of Amarrian law into Providence space, and in the Empire, all "legitimate" conflicts must be CONCORD-sanctioned, I fail to see how a unsanctioned war could be considered legitimate by CVA. So, by all rights, MOM podded a person who was legally a neutral, Providence politics aside. There was no need to CONCORD sanction the war, as all the fighting was in 0.0 We did not kill neutrals...NOS was KOS to us. You can try bring down the reputation of CVA all you like, but they operated as usual in a professional manner. MOM played by the rules layed out by CVA. IF there was any infringement, we will compensate. I think I was the only pilot to lock neutral haulers, and I was immediately pulled up on it. That is how CVA operates. (Luckily for me and MOM-..the haulers were stabbed...I'll say no more ) And I apologise once again to CVA for those actions.
Dev Corland Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:45:00 - [75] Edited by: Dev Corland on 29/11/2006 23:49:46 Then one must ask: why did CVA approve this war? As for the killmail, it may not have been an edit to hide the alliance, but something that was left out on the killboard. In any case I do not see why Ache would ever edit a killmail for any reason.
Btweeduizend	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:39:00 - [76] Well mate look at it from this side. What do we have to gain by altering that mail ? Nothing we already had like 100 kills one other would not mater. No extra honor for us, and I can say to you I have nothing but respect for the nos that we fought they all did it with honor. Its not a nice tribute that some of nos now are down talking everything. The only thing that nos can and must do at this moment is lick its wounds and learn from its mistakes and become bigger better and stronger. And stop this mud war there is no honor in this whole discussion.
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.30 00:52:00 - [77] Originally by: Dev Corland Edited by: Dev Corland on 29/11/2006 23:49:46 Then one must ask: why did CVA approve this war? As for the killmail, it may not have been an edit to hide the alliance, but something that was left out on the killboard. In any case I do not see why Ache would ever edit a killmail for any reason. CVA did not approve it. They did not know about it. but please...no more of this slander. Momentum has nothing but respect for the pilots that fought us. We are not in providence anymore. We had a mission, it has been completed. All of NOS is neutral to Momentum now. We will NOT be attacking you under current circumstances. Please let this slander go, you will not shake CVA's integrity. Your fight was with us... Flinx
AcheLone Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:45:00 - [78] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 29/11/2006 11:25:29 Originally by: AcheLone On the contrary your highness, they do act of piracy in your space as accord to these killmail:- 2006.11.24 07:21:00 Victim: DustinTheWind1 Corporation: Level Five Destroyed Type: Capsule Solar System: ZT-LPU System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: CHAOS100 (laid the final blow) Security Status: -1.9 Corporation: Momentum. Ship Type: Unknown Weapon Type: Heavy Ion Blaster II I find it odd that you chose to edit that mail. 2006.11.24 07:21 Victim: DustinTheWind1 Alliance: Novus Ordos Seclorum Corp: Level Five Destroyed: Capsule System: ZT-LPU Security: 0.0 Notice the inclusion of the Alliance name This incident happened on the 24th. MOM was asked on the 25th not to engage NOS in CVA space anymore. We agreed to this, which led to a stand off in AY-YCU. Not one shot was fired at their fleet in that system out of respect to CVA You are welcome to check our killboards. There is a recording of the standoff..and the battle that followed in NOS space http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0611/S9XBattle.mpg Actually you're right flinx, Level 5 in the killmail does not have the alliance name but i'm sure i didn't edit it cause i just do cut and paste. . Anyway i hope all parties operate in CVA space to follow all their rules. Fairly to say to MoMs that i do found a NOS killmail that kill MoMs member in CVA space too. But i can't say which part is guilty. Such this conflict create so much confusion. Anyway i'm out this politics stuff. We'll see each other around in providence, not in bad situation i hope. This time i'm in a noob corp. So much freedom, nobody can poke me to do stuff. ------------------------------------------------ Why ppl look down at my raven. Its cool to have mining laser fitted.
AetomHaert Mother	Posted - 2006.12.03 03:53:00 - [79] First and foremost, i will disclaim my comments by saying that they do not represent NOS in the least, and are simply my personal opinions, and here i will opine: I do not see how it could be justified that Momentum should come into NOS space on the simple grounds that they would sign a non aggression pact with Ushra'Kahn. We as an alliance were merely trying to add some more stability to the region by not fighting with our neighbors, and opening another outpost for our capsuleers to use. Nos is not a racist alliance as some of the other providence alliance would seem to be. We don't discriminate between Minmitar or Ammar pilots like those in CVA or UK, and we welcome the stone cold Caldari and pinko commie Gallente into their ranks without second thought. For this neutrality, CVA had seen it fit to send their cut and run goons (yes mom, i am talking about you) in to beat on players that have not the resources or skills to muster a fleet to repel you. This was a cowardly if not affective means of communicating your distaste for our lack of war making with your enemies. This was a situation in which we could have come about peace with CVA, who denies that they were hostile to us in the first place. I personally am very disappointed in the actions that followed, as it seems that momentum again has decided to pick on Odessa for doing nothing at all to them. (i will point out the incident between BCB Archlight and several widowmakers that caused Odessa to retract from the alliance in the first place), picked upon a very small and weak corp in order to stir up trouble. There are several POS's in the system that would have worked just as well to make a point with. Shame on you all for hiding behind lies like this, for launching cloak and dagger operations upon your friends and allied for simply wishing for more peace across our neighborhood in space. No MOM was not a mercenary in the traditional sense of the word, they had been given no emoluments for their fighting in Providence, but they were mercenaries in every way that they acted, coming to fight in a battle that wasn't theirs under false pretenses against those that had called them friends. This sort of politicizing is something that i refuse to become involved with, and i will stand in my ship with my alliance till there is no ship left to stand in. However, CVA and MOM should be ashamed of themselves for using intimidation tactics in order to push their agenda upon those who share their ideals, and their stubbornness and racism to those in the north.
Royaldo Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.03 07:26:00 - [80] Come again... some neutral corp owns that moon? Why? Why isnt that moon claimed by NOS? How did this neutral corp gain the moon?
Dev Corland Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.12.03 09:36:00 - [81] Originally by: AetomHaert Mother ...to beat on players that have not the resources or skills to muster a fleet to repel you. Don't you dare say that NOS did not muster a fleet. It did. You were in it. You died in it. You died alongside your brothers and sisters for NOS, and you say it was not a fleet? Please do not say that NOS is insignificant again. It is a personal insult to the people that died for it.
ChernoChiel Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.03 11:32:00 - [82] Originally by: Dev Corland Originally by: AetomHaert Mother ...to beat on players that have not the resources or skills to muster a fleet to repel you. Don't you dare say that NOS did not muster a fleet. It did. You were in it. You died in it. You died alongside your brothers and sisters for NOS, and you say it was not a fleet? Please do not say that NOS is insignificant again. It is a personal insult to the people that died for it. Respect ! ___________________________ "what did that button do??"
AetomHaert Mother	Posted - 2006.12.03 17:20:00 - [83] Originally by: Dev Corland Originally by: AetomHaert Mother ...to beat on players that have not the resources or skills to muster a fleet to repel you. Don't you dare say that NOS did not muster a fleet. It did. You were in it. You died in it. You died alongside your brothers and sisters for NOS, and you say it was not a fleet? Please do not say that NOS is insignificant again. It is a personal insult to the people that died for it. you missed my point, it is not that we did not muster a fleet, but we did not have the resources or the pvp core at that point to repel the fleet that Momentum brought, and they knew it. i should have been more clear on that fact. this was by no means meant as a slight against those who lost some very expensive equipment.
Heyte	Posted - 2006.12.03 19:49:00 - [84] Edited by: Heyte on 03/12/2006 19:55:26 Hey, I wish I could hit hard and hit home with these issues, but I just can't seem to think right now. :P But nonetheless, TBC said it all. NOS is a *****. Have fun making more enemies then you began with. Momentum's also gotta die for their exploitin' ways, I'm afraid.
Btweeduizend	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:38:00 - [85] Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 03/12/2006 19:55:26 Hey, I wish I could hit hard and hit home with these issues, but I just can't seem to think right now. :P But nonetheless, TBC said it all. NOS is a *****. Have fun making more enemies then you began with. Momentum's also gotta die for their exploitin' ways, I'm afraid. /me hugs Heyte.
Dev Corland BloodStorm Elite	Posted - 2006.12.07 04:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 03/12/2006 19:55:26 Hey, I wish I could hit hard and hit home with these issues, but I just can't seem to think right now. :P But nonetheless, TBC said it all. NOS is a *****. Have fun making more enemies then you began with. Momentum's also gotta die for their exploitin' ways, I'm afraid. Heh, you hate NOS cause they kicked you out. Typing SOAD lyrics in capslock for half an hour in alliance will do that.
AetomHaert Mother	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:21:00 - [87] Originally by: Dev Corland Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 03/12/2006 19:55:26 Hey, I wish I could hit hard and hit home with these issues, but I just can't seem to think right now. :P But nonetheless, TBC said it all. NOS is a *****. Have fun making more enemies then you began with. Momentum's also gotta die for their exploitin' ways, I'm afraid. Heh, you hate NOS cause they kicked you out. Typing SOAD lyrics in capslock for half an hour in alliance will do that. actually, mostly they were system of a down quotes if i remember correctly, but yes, heyte adds little to this conversation at all, and little to love, much to heyte. fool.
Dev Corland BloodStorm Elite	Posted - 2006.12.12 07:43:00 - [88] Originally by: AetomHaert Mother Originally by: Dev Corland Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 03/12/2006 19:55:26 Hey, I wish I could hit hard and hit home with these issues, but I just can't seem to think right now. :P But nonetheless, TBC said it all. NOS is a *****. Have fun making more enemies then you began with. Momentum's also gotta die for their exploitin' ways, I'm afraid. Heh, you hate NOS cause they kicked you out. Typing SOAD lyrics in capslock for half an hour in alliance will do that. actually, mostly they were system of a down quotes if i remember correctly, but yes, heyte adds little to this conversation at all, and little to love, much to heyte. fool. iirc he distorted whatever you want to call em horribly. We made him KOS.
eeeweeezeee Lunar Dawn Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.12.22 07:37:00 - [89] Edited by: eeeweeezeee on 22/12/2006 07:43:18 Well congratulations to NOS for cleaning up their act and policy's. I am glad to see that it is now run by a president. Let me give you some sound advice, don't bully your member corporations and burden them with endless policy's and regulations. My corporation helped to found NOS and I can tell you that this nearly destroyed it, half the original corporations left as a result of being fed up with endless rules and expectations. I still miss the above average value moons the area has to mine. If you should find any property of Lunar Dawn still remaining in the area, it is perfectly fine if you wish to put it to use. I am glad to see that NOS appears to have turned around. perhaps we shall one day do battle with each other. ((please note, my views are MINE and not that of my corporation or alliance, or any other associate))

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