Also not only ship logos, but fleet striping.

Alt posting gibberish.

Corp and/or alliance logos on ships of my choice.

Then you are an idiot as you are already paying a sub.

F2P or Sub... not both CCP.

Then you are an idiot as you are already paying a sub.

F2P or Sub... not both CCP.

They should have a donate Aurum pool, Every time Aurum is donated to this pool it shrinks. The pool is representative of the cost needed to recoup the losses incurred from the debauchery that NEX is. Upon completion of Aurum donations all parties and market " experts " and every shill and hack associated with NEX gets the boot and the NEX closes down.

All clothing and vanity items distributed to date become limited and exclusive to those that gave a damn. New items that actually fit in the universe and that are destructible become player crafted items derived from LP and other EVE centric content offered comprehensively as content and not poorly informed and ill guided exploitation of a paying player base.

Free Aurum does not count towards this pool.

Corp and/or alliance logos on ships of my choice.

Should be an base part of the game IMO...

but...

I would totally be down for some traditional amarrian dress

Then you are an idiot as you are already paying a sub.

F2P or Sub... not both CCP.

Stop chirping about having everything included in your subscription fee because god know most of you neckbeards run missions all day and buy plex. We're talking about bad ass vanity customizations beyond what the core game offers. I'd support paying aurum for:

- my corp or alliance logo on a given ship

- the ability for skilled manufacturers to distinguish their line of ships. For example, after a ton of research and invention on hurricane bpos blah blah they get a new BPO that produces ships with a custom manufacturer logo. "huehue but it won't work with the market huehue" - just list it as "Hurricane [Corp Ticker]" or use contracts only.

Skill points.

There, i said it

Repeating your point in bold doesn't make it any less wrong. PLEX represents a payment to CCP.
If you want to spent your money on microtransactions go find a free to play game to do it in.

There is no reason whatsoever for anything to be available for AUR.

None.

Says the 2003 toon. Indeed, PLEX is a payment made by someone buying timecode. But not a real currency payment by the L4 farming neckbeards who tend to make the forum whine index skyrocket.

But I will say that I find the prospect of paying aurum for *anything* about the most "neckbeardy" prospect I've heard in the eve context. It's like paying for a "girlfriend" - but I guess you'd know all about that

Why not just pay in ISK and be done with this whole Aurum nonsense. Want cosmetics? Pay with ISK! Decals? ISK! Other stuff and things? ISK ISK and ISK!

There is no reason whatsoever for anything to be available for AUR.

None.

Just be glad that eve doesnt have the prenium account BS few other games had.

All items in the NeX store are stealable, destroyable, and buyable with isk so far.

The reason why the clothes are pernament upon wearing for now is that it gets really annoying to remake your charcter every time you die and buy the replacment clothes so until they get the closet idea done similar to ship fitting I wouldnt want destoyable on death.

I think it was a wise decision NOT to increase subscription fee's for everyone, as I have little doubt this option was considered at the time of the layoffs. I'd like to see it stay that way.

Look at the expansions that CCP produced when the playerbase was a quarter of what it is now.

Then compare them to the last few expansions when CCP's income has been far higher.

Now try to tell me with a straight face that CCP can't afford to produce working expansions without either increasing subs or selling things through MTs.

Why not just pay in ISK and be done with this whole Aurum nonsense. Want cosmetics? Pay with ISK! Decals? ISK! Other stuff and things? ISK ISK and ISK!

1: The loans CCP took out to fund development of all of its projects did not go away. When a company lays off 20% of it's employee's it is a pretty good indicator that it is in need of funds, both to pay off past obligations and to improve it's prospects of getting future funding.

2: Contrary to popular belief, WOD has not been canceled. WOD development has been put on hold for the moment. There is a very large difference between the two.

3: The economy of DUST is going to require certain economic elements to be in place to interact with EVE. AURUM is not going away, nor is the option for Micro Transactions.

Although your story gives the impression that financially EVE should be just fine now , it's pretty easy to see that CCP could use an additional revenue stream (and better leverage the one that it has). They DO have other projects to work on, they WILL need to secure additional development funds via loans or other means, they MUST show increases in revenue to achieve this.

We know that when things are running right with EVE subscription numbers rise slowly but steadily. This is an excellent foundation to build on. However, now they have to play catch up... as well as build financial momentum to get back on track with future development goals. Slow and steady growth may very well not cut it. I think it was a wise decision NOT to increase subscription fee's for everyone, as I have little doubt this option was considered at the time of the layoffs. I'd like to see it stay that way.

You can pay isk, just buy AUR with the PLEX you bought with isk.
How is this so hard for people to grasp?

What's next? Are all these little whiners going to expect CCP to include all their ships, modules, POS's etc etc etc with the monthly fee? I mean really, you save up and work towards buying any other item in game that you NEED to play, yet when you are asked to pay isk for some vanity items you get all
bent out of shape.

CCP's expenses have also increased dramatically over the years (along with it's payroll), and EVE is no longer the only project being financed by EVE subscriptions.

One look at their financial statement shows this quite clearly... so yes, my face is straight. So are my facts.

Edit: I'm pretty sure I also don't have to point out the current state of the world economy as well now do I?

Why not just pay in ISK and be done with this whole Aurum nonsense. Want cosmetics? Pay with ISK! Decals? ISK! Other stuff and things? ISK ISK and ISK!

Somebody else was forced to buy NeX crap with dollars so you could buy with ISK.

Yeah we got it, WOD and DUST were pretty huge mistakes and to get out from under that mess the "industry experts" argued for double charging the player base in subs + microtransactions.

Somebody else was forced to buy NeX crap with dollars so you could buy with ISK. Either which way you've contributed to the erosion of the sandbox and signalled you are okay with being nickel and dimed out of MT content being a dollar paywall in a subscription game you already pay premium rates for.

Good going champ!



I'm honestly not sure what you call that mess of logical fallacy strawman and general nonsense stew.

Nobody wants stuff for free. They want content you gain through gameplay rather than on daddies credit card. Is that really so hard to understand?

The worst part is when he has to send her back to get cleaned and repaired, he gets lonely in those times...

There is nothing in EVE you can't gain through gameplay, NeX items inluded.

I admit I haven't read all the posts, but I can suggest a different way for people to think about Aurum.
It's basically ISK, just with the added fact that you had to first buy an item (PLEX) and then hand that item over.
A slightly more complicated process than the usual ISK-method of buying stuff, but at the end of the day, it can be viewed as just ISK (it will make your head cool down).

And as it is, at the end of the day, ship logos are nothing more but vanity - although it would kinda suck if only some players of a corporation could afford it, perhaps make it so that you buy corp logos on a corporation level (if anything).

And as far as it's concerned, if you ever make it payable on a per ship basis, please make sure the ship paint gets destroyed and appears on kill mails (monocles should too btw).

Tempting though it is to take each point you made Jade and point out where your opinion doesn't jibe with the facts, I'm not going to get drawn into that this time.

If I wish to buy any NeX items all I have to do is buy it directly with ISK (PLEX purchased with ISK converted to AURUM ). No one has been "forced" to buy from the NeX store first. Now on the secondary market your statements flirts with truth, except that nobody was "forced" to buy anything to begin with.

IAgain assumptions based on your personal prejudices. Neither WOD nor DUST were "huge mistakes". Allocation of more assets than was prudent was a mistake, as was how the release of Incarna was handled. Not the same thing, especially when you consider that DUST is alive, well, and about to hit beta testing.

IAnd while the catch phrase "double charging the player base" is handy to throw around, it is also wildly inaccurate. I have several items from the Nex store, and I have not paid a penny beyond my normal subscription.

The fact that somebody needed to buy PLEX for $ originally makes your position a little void..

Except people buy PLEX for $ all the time, in order to gain ISK in EVE. They've already made their choice, and don't care how their PLEX is used as long as they get ISK out of it.
No one is buying AURUM. They're buying PLEX which has multiple uses.

EVE was and IS already rife with microtransactions. Microtransactions which can be used to get better ships, better implants and better modules.

This is the main point.

Lets say the NEX didnt exist. If someone told you you could buy a decal for your ship for 700m ISK, would you buy it? While I agree the NEX sometimes seems like an unnecessary middle step, it currently is what it is. If I could rat in fountain for a few days in order to buy a couple plex and trade them for a badass alliance decal, I would.

No one is buying AURUM.

EVE was and IS already rife with microtransactions.

If it was a decal that came from a loyalty point store or player manufactured I'd pay isk for it yes. Probably not 700m but I'd pay and be happy to pay to players for their industrial choices in the game.

GǪwhich means the NeX is safe

GǪexcept that they're not microtransactions (or at least they weren't until the NeX was introduced).

GǪwhich means the NeX can safely be removed from the game because it has no use.
GǪexcept that they're not microtransactions (or at least they weren't until the NeX was introduced).

See, you agree.

Except they are microtransactions.

Learn to post, please!

They (for the most part) are not buying AURUM with cash. They are, however, buying AURUM with ISK.

In this we are almost aligned. Items sold in the NeX need to be closely tied to player industry, either via BPC sale or requiring player created material assets as part of the purchase price.
Of course CCP has already stated that this is the goal for how the NeX store interface is going to be developed, so we are in good company.

Activating Tippia post mode.

See, you agree.


Except they are microtransactions.


Learn to post, please!

Nice straw man idiot.
Since you can't buy in-game items with your cash, no.
At least I know how to post without altering quotes. You should try it.
GǪwhich means the NeX can safely be removed since it has no use. Aurum could be completely excised without having any effect whatsoever.

I can't take a joke and still refuse to see how I selectively alter quotes.

Have they recently? I'm not aware of any CCP communications on the issue of NeX post the Summer of Rage unsub crisis aside from Hilmar's comment that it was no longer a priority.

Corp and/or alliance logos on ships of my choice.

Except that AURUM is the cross over currency to be used for certain products in DUST and must be integrated into the EVE economy to serve that purpose.

And, I'm sorry to say this Tippia, but you selectively quoted him yourself (and by doing so changed the meaning of that part of his post to suit your purposes).

also, anchorable propaganda billboards

also, anchorable propaganda billboards

Neat idea, but Id rather see BP's for that ingame :)

Yes, and until they do, they have no purpose and could at that time be introduced in some way that's worth-while. The NeX is not needed. And seeing as how Dust is going to use ISK as well, and there is pretty much nothing that points to AUR having any additional purpose in EVE aside from maybe bribing bunnies so they don't have to buy it themselves (because in that game, AUR has a purpose as an MT currency but that only raises the question of why we should pay them real money for stuff that only exists in their game), it is not needed in EVE for the two to be integrated.

Even if AUR is the way to bribe some cheap-ass bunny, there is still no need to have AUR as a functional item in EVE. Sure, split those PLEXes up in more useful tradeable units to be doled out to the dust bunnies, but it can still be left completely outside of the EVE economy and simply serve that one purpose.
How did it change the meaning? He is saying that AUR is not something people aim to buy GÇö it's a pointless intermediary stage with the sole purpose of immediately being flushed from the system GÇö and as a result, you could remove that and its only use (the NeX) from the game without any ill effects. Anything and everything it does could (and should) be done with ISK instead.

Oh come on Tippia, you know they have to run this thing for a while on the EVE side of things to work all of the kinks out of it (and likely get people used to the idea). I'm sure they would also like to stimulate the PLEX market even more and make a bit of additional coin.

I'm not entirely at odds with you on the use of the AURUM currency instead of ISK in these transactions, and would likely be right there with you if we only had to take EVE's economy into consideration. But that is not the case, and we are not working with very complete information as to how AURUM will be used in the DUST/EVE shared economy.

The sketchy information we have thus far seems to indicate that AURUM in DUST will be purchased with cash and be the only way the INITIAL purchase of certain items can be done. It is hinted that these items can later be resold for ISK, but I don't think that has been confirmed. AURUM is there to provide a very clear division between items that can be purchased initially for ISK and items that required a cash outlay to initially obtain (thus providing the necessary revenue stream from DUST).

I point this out by to try and be as completely forthright on the issue as possible, as this actually lends more weight to your argument.

Perhaps CCP can eliminate the use of AURUM in EVE, or perhaps this is complicated by Sony's involvement in the purchase of in game currency. We really don't know enough details about the two economies and how they intersect (or CCP's agreements with Sony) to make any well informed judgements either way at this point.

For my part, I'm fine with it either way. As long as:

The economy works for both games.
Player based industries are included as much as possible.
It is financially viable and profitable for CCP.

The plan was laid out pretty clearly in the interview done during the last alliance tournament. This discussion centered around the plan to bring in ship logo's and skins, which as we know is still going full steam ahead.

Now I will grant you this, it is possible that they will choose to go a completely different path with these items. There has been no recent announcement either way (although it stands to reason that they would let public opinion soften on the issue a bit before opening this can of worms again).

However, that would likely have to include some restructuring as to how the DUST and EVE economies were going to align, and I'm really not sure if they have the flexibility to make that major a change this late in DUST's development cycle.

No, I'm not expecting that "full steam ahead" really. Last Alliance tournent was pre NeX Carna unsub protest and I think CCP have realized the player base does not accept their plans for microtransactions (or at least realizes that there will be a heavy price to be paid in subscriptions for this line of thinking.

Dust is another can of worms really. I think its a mistake to see it as intrinsically linked to Eve's future. Eve will need to survive if Dust crashes and burns. I believe CCP know this as well.

Well this CSM meeting in Iceland this weekend should let us have an idea where things are going.

Tippia never agrees with anything, everything he says has to be an opposite to what you say, he never agrees even though he is wrong. I guess its one of those cases where he can only fit in if he complains about something.

I think it's funny that some people still don't realise that you can pay to win.

Buy plex -> sell plex -> buy bigger ship than the other guy.

The only difference that EVE has from other Pay to win games, is that players can still use ingame currency to buy the same advantage, it just takes them longer.

I know what you are trying to say, but your last sentence invalidates the first one.

There should be a lengthy addition to the manufacturing skill tree that allows trained players to pick a skin (L1 and 2. Perhaps 1 is hull color and 2 is glass/lights) and a logo (L3) to be applied to an entire job's worth of ships during the build.

Players should have to take their ship to one of these manufacturers to modify the logo (L4) and skin (L5). Also, make it so that only these players can submit logo designs to CCP (Also L5). Then they'll be able to 'stamp' all their product with their personalized makers' seal of quality.

I already want a Chribba(TM) brand Hulk.

I'd pay aurum for a forum ban for Jade Constantine

I'm pretty sure that CCP originally announced that they would be introducing logos on ships long before there was any talk of this AURUM nonsense.

So we should be able to get them for free.

While I agree the NEX sometimes seems like an unnecessary middle step, it currently is what it is.

Calling people neckbeards though doesn't exactly smell mature so you should and did get slapped for that.

I think it's funny that some people still don't realise that you can pay to win.

Buy plex -> sell plex -> buy bigger ship than the other guy.

The only difference that EVE has from other Pay to win games, is that players can still use ingame currency to buy the same advantage, it just takes them longer.