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Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:49:24 -
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 First I want to say hello to all readers
Over the next few weeks I will be writing a guide on all the time, sweat, tears, and amazing luck that I encountered while learning the market, and working my way to large sums of ISK. |
Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:52:34 -
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Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:54:00 -
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Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.30 10:04:12 -
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Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.30 11:19:07 -
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Last Reserved Spot needed. |
Rilati Kansene
Monte Inc
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Posted - 2015.06.30 14:07:15 -
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Could you help out with a few minor details and additional explanation please ?
as you promised; Quote:Ask any questions you want to. I will reply asap.
Here are my questions:
Amazing trader... large sums of ISK etc etc:
- Presumably trading has made you very wealthy
- If it hasn't, your guide would be of no use to anyone
- If it has... why are you looking for donations ?
- Why are you looking for such small donations ?
Amazing Guide, many lesions... and the opportunity for free stuff ! (after donating a tiny sum of ISK)
- Is the prospect of receiving a guide not incentive enough on its own ?
- If you have such amazing wealth as generated by your trading, why not just give things away without asking for donations ?
Ahh special extra incentive to donate to the highest tier
- List of amazing hubs to sell at, hey thats cool
- Valued at between 300 and 500 million (estimated)
- umm.. by what methodology did you complete the estimation ?
- I mean, how can you possibly narrow it down to that exact range ?
- If I only make 290m from one of the amazing hubs, will you refund my T3 donation ?
Any credentials you can add to validate the value of a guide by yourself
- 5 posts from Larontra in the last 3 years
- all 5 of them in this very thread
- Prior to 2012 you seemed quite active on the character bazaar...
- Prior to 2012 you seemed to be quite active bouncing around through different corps
- Where have you been all this time ?
Could you add a zero or two to each of your numbers pls... if you are in the scam business on such low numbers you have to be aiming at huge volumes, else it's just not worth the effort.... I'm just not seeing the return on (time) investment here - I mean sure, tiny effort to copy paste someone else's guide as a first chapter and get some ISK rolling in from donations... but even with 100 T2 and 20 T3 'donations' the final payout numbers are still such small-fry as to still not bother with.
Why not go with the time honored tradition of 'first chapter is free.... second and all other chapters available for premium members for just 500M and if you don't make triple your investment in the first month, I'll return double your premium subscription fee' ?? |
Ren Oren
Push Industries
Push Interstellar Network
90
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Posted - 2015.06.30 22:46:16 -
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MD leaves no stone unturned |
Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.01 04:56:36 -
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Ill agree no stone left unturned =). Ill answer all questions, and address everything asked when I get home from work in 6 hours. To answer the one question, if a scam why the low numbers. I think that answers itself. If this was to make me rich off scamming it would fail wouldn't it?
o7 see you all in a few hours.
EDIT: As this Character is up for sale atm, I will be using one of my Active characters to take over the thread as to prove the validity, and allow an API with info that will prove my claims. |
Rilati Kansene
Monte Inc
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Posted - 2015.07.01 07:03:10 -
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Quote:
if a scam why the low numbers. I think that answers itself.
Um,
- you are new to scamming outside of jita ISK doubling and are starting small
- scamming 2B may actually be a huge sum to you
- you are playing a longer game than I have given you credit for.
- ... I mean /hypothetically/ if I were to scam MD I'd start with the guide and some give aways, and then pray upon the slightly above average yet lazy types - "obviously a well written guide, so he knows what he's talking about.., but following the guide would take :effort: - ahh fortunately he's now also selling a subscription to: 'things to trade this week for instant profit' ah, only 1B... That! That right there is my way to more ISK.
- but we Eve players, we are a cynical bunch... :)
The correct answer to my queries should be "sod off - here's my guide right here, all I'm trying to do is help some newbies make a bit of ISK on the markets - I'm giving something back to the community, whilst you are just trolling"
... On the other hand everything from the initial post, to the donations, to the character who only has l4 accounting and broker relations and 9 max trading slots, who coincidentally has no recent history /and/ is up for sale - all that just screams "Scam"
.. But we Eve players, we're a cynical bunch :) |
Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.01 07:40:26 -
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I can see everything from your point of view 100%. Im gonna put up my secondary character to take over this thread. With her Ill put up her API. With isk balance and other goodies. However as you yourself if doing a guide like I am, would not give his main account as trolls will follow me once they see the amount of info I have.
I will however put up the guide none the less even without even one donation. It does allow me to give back but that's not the point really. I want to become a contender in the MD and that will take proof of knowledge and respect. If that's all I get then I win.
Work over in 2 hours, Ill post then and again will answer all questions. Fly safe till then! |
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Elvandari
Valheru industries
Imperium of Rising Luna
5
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Posted - 2015.07.03 05:58:48 -
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So it`s been like two days and no answers yet... |
Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.07.03 09:42:55 -
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I was 24 hour suspended, look at my for sale forum in the bazzar for proof. Ill get to it
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
715
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Posted - 2015.07.04 11:48:10 -
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Rilati Kansene wrote:Could you help out with a few minor details and additional explanation please ? as you promised; Quote:Ask any questions you want to. I will reply asap. Here are my questions: Amazing trader... large sums of ISK etc etc:
- Presumably trading has made you very wealthy
- If it hasn't, your guide would be of no use to anyone
- If it has... why are you looking for donations ?
- Why are you looking for such small donations ?
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
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vccv
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Posted - 2015.07.05 06:31:58 -
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So, was this a failed attempt at some quick "donations" or is there a writeup coming? |
Larontra
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.05 06:46:04 -
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Typing chapter 1 now. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Create Alliance
610
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Posted - 2015.07.05 08:12:26 -
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Larontra wrote:I was 24 hour suspended, look at my for sale forum in the bazzar for proof. Ill get to it
I can only see that your character sale thread was locked for 24 hours due to excessive bumping.
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virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
311
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Posted - 2015.07.05 09:52:30 -
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Jumping on the if you're so good at trading, why do you need to hawk for donations?
Also hopping on the one mediocre trade in the at "nothing special" level in the chart of OMG would pull in much more than this.
I assume there will be a whole chapter of buy low sell high?
In my opinion you could get so much more out of this. Lets assume you have something interesting and original to bring to the table. Posting a guide for free that had sufficient originality to spark some debate would generate assets in the respect and recognition column worth probably more than you are asking for in donations.
examples :
Take for example Sabriz ( spelling sorry ) who gave a free public talk on the market at Fanfest.
Some of the characters like delonewolf who run weekly you tube slots discussing the market.
Gevlon, who in his early days trying to make it as a trader told people exactly what he was doing and how, with reasoning graphs, graphs, and more graphs.
All these people are building credibility that has value.
If you don't like this model based on give for free, expect the quality to pay for itself in the future, then how about give a sample for free, let the quality of the sample sell the remainder.
You are free of course to do exactly as you wish. But I think the feedback so far shows what the general market opinion of "buy my secret sauce" sales are, when no one has tasted the sauce yet. Also there is a lot of secret sauce out there, 99% of it is exactly the same. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Create Alliance
611
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Posted - 2015.07.06 09:37:38 -
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You should look into successful kickstarters, they might give you some inspiration.
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Larontra
Empire of the Forsaken
Dark Crusade
1
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Posted - 2015.07.09 05:25:58 -
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Im releasing the whole guide at once tomorrow morning 7/10/15 I WILL NOT ACCEPT DONATIONS. I want to prove my intent and any donations would take away from the legit reason for making this after all the trolls. |
Makhpella
Bad Taste.
37
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:28:18 -
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Larontra wrote:
2015-06-30 - CHAPTER 1 Will be released withing 24-32 Hours
2015-07-05 - Typing chapter 1 now.
2015-07-09 - Im releasing the whole guide at once tomorrow morning 7/10/15
I cant wait for it. |
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Friggz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2015.07.10 19:52:22 -
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So basically this whole thing is like that joke: "I will tell you how to get people to send you money. Send me money to find out how." |
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
70
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Posted - 2015.07.10 20:29:48 -
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Make millions with ONE TINY CLASSIFIED AD. Just one ad can make you MILLIONS.
*not representative of average performance, your results may vary.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannoli."-á
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Create Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.17 11:40:38 -
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Larontra wrote:Im releasing the whole guide at once tomorrow morning 7/10/15 I WILL NOT ACCEPT DONATIONS. I want to prove my intent and any donations would take away from the legit reason for making this after all the trolls.
Greec is still beating you for deadlines missed.
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope
Gallente Federation
432
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Posted - 2015.07.17 14:12:35 -
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Ah, Don Lapre! The King of them all! RIP! |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:13:16 -
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Larontra wrote:Im releasing the whole guide at once tomorrow morning 7/10/15 I WILL NOT ACCEPT DONATIONS. I want to prove my intent and any donations would take away from the legit reason for making this after all the trolls.
I guess they were not trolls after all |
Larontra
Empire of the Forsaken
Dark Crusade
4
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Posted - 2015.07.31 11:03:14 -
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Im sorry I havent had time to release the guide. My daughter has health problems that have taken a large portion of my free time. I will create a new thread soon everything will be 100% free. With my daughter being in the hospital for a month I had a lot of time to type it up and really would like feedback/rep more than anything. Should be no longer than a few days just need to revise a few parts and finish last chapter. Fly safe guys.
There is a guy that is straight up trying to use my idea as a scam in WTS forums, he mailed me on my main and talked to me about making it a scam, when I refused to help he posted a thread. DONT TRUST HIM. lll post his name in a bit once I find the thread. |
virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
312
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Posted - 2015.07.31 11:08:14 -
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Best wishes for your daughter.
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Larontra
Empire of the Forsaken
Dark Crusade
4
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Posted - 2015.07.31 11:09:35 -
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Thanks she is doing well. Just glad to have her home and be able to let her sleep in her own bed. Its amazing how something so little helps a young child. |
Rilati Kansene
Monte Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.07 03:40:25 -
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Larontra wrote:Im sorry I havent had time to release the guide. My daughter has health problems that have taken a large portion of my free time. I will create a new thread soon everything will be 100% free. With my daughter being in the hospital for a month I had a lot of time to type it up and really would like feedback/rep more than anything. Should be no longer than a few days just need to revise a few parts and finish last chapter. Fly safe guys.
There is a guy that is straight up trying to use my idea as a scam in WTS forums, he mailed me on my main and talked to me about making it a scam, when I refused to help he posted a thread. DONT TRUST HIM. lll post his name in a bit once I find the thread.
I'm guessing its this thread/guy ?
Hey, if you'd like someone to give your work a bit of proofing prior to posting I can help - coincidentally, my daughter also in hospital, and I've got quite a bit of time where I can just sit and read (different scenario to you though, newborn and only there for a week more and then home for the first time) - and, as anyone who has made it to the end of any of my longer works of MD prose can attest to, I like words.
Equally coincidentally I am a big fan of seeing more useful guides posted, so very keen for yours to add something - initial trolling on my part as a quick look behind the scenes as to trying to understand what was really the point behind your post. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
5225
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Posted - 2015.08.07 04:32:06 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Jumping on the if you're so good at trading, why do you need to hawk for donations?
Also hopping on the one mediocre trade in the at "nothing special" level in the chart of OMG would pull in much more than this.
I assume there will be a whole chapter of buy low sell high?
In my opinion you could get so much more out of this. Lets assume you have something interesting and original to bring to the table. Posting a guide for free that had sufficient originality to spark some debate would generate assets in the respect and recognition column worth probably more than you are asking for in donations.
examples :
Take for example Sabriz ( spelling sorry ) who gave a free public talk on the market at Fanfest.
Some of the characters like delonewolf who run weekly you tube slots discussing the market.
Gevlon, who in his early days trying to make it as a trader told people exactly what he was doing and how, with reasoning graphs, graphs, and more graphs.
All these people are building credibility that has value.
If you don't like this model based on give for free, expect the quality to pay for itself in the future, then how about give a sample for free, let the quality of the sample sell the remainder.
You are free of course to do exactly as you wish. But I think the feedback so far shows what the general market opinion of "buy my secret sauce" sales are, when no one has tasted the sauce yet. Also there is a lot of secret sauce out there, 99% of it is exactly the same.
Just FYI that wasn't me at Fanfest. Couldn't get to Fanfest this year and probably can't next year either.
I think it was Angelica Everstar.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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