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Hilti Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:09:06 -
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This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?
User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?
At what does it become financially better to plex with real money? |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3762
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:11:35 -
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I imagine it's because people hoard it.
Oh god.
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
4228
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:15:04 -
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Inflation in the economy and increased value of the PLEX.
PLEX can be used fro far more now than JUST adding 30 days, and those other services drive the price higher.
The Drake is a Lie
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Paranoid Loyd
6041
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:20:32 -
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If feel you have to say it's not a rant, it's a rant.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
Phoebe Freeport Republic
1639
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:35:56 -
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Probably people buying a bunch to drive up the price and sell when they make a profit. Supply and demand though really. The drop in price from a few months ago was the sell off from isboxer ban.
If it's going up though, that's a good thing because there is more demand than supply. What that demand is from could be a number of things.
GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11629
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:47:06 -
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Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse |
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2015.06.30 16:53:13 -
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Simple, PLEX is ultimately bought by players to a game from outside of the game, then sold.
Obviously there are now more people plexing their accounts with PLEX than those who buy them from CCP.
It might drive away some people who can-¦t afford to pay in RL cash or isk, but what I really fear is the day when there are more (hardcore and dedicated fans) buying PLEX, than people using them to sub their accounts. |
davet517
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:10:16 -
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It's straight up supply and demand. On the demand side you've got people who want to play without spending cash. On the supply side you've got people who have more cash than time wanting to do something other than grind isk with the time that they do have to play. Static demand, shrinking supply, higher price.
Yes, space richness does come into play. Orgs with lots of passive income or just a lot of old money can afford to stand their key players to a plex each month to keep them playing. They are competing with players who have to grind for those plex for a shrinking supply.
It also doesn't help that CCP decided to raise the cash price of a plex to considerably more than the cost of a monthy sub, in order to milk the cash cows that they do have a little harder. |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
165
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:01:06 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?
How long does it take you to earn $11 in real life?
How long does it take you to earn 900 mil ISK in game?
Whichever of those is quicker to do, pay for your sub that way. |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
124
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:17:32 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse
Do you really believe what you just spewed onto the page? |
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DaReaper
Net 7
2252
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:23:38 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse Do you really believe what you just spewed onto the page?
i'm sure jenn does because its true.
even at 1b isk for a plex, if you make money over 30 days, thats 33m isk a day.
its not that bloody hard to get a plex. hell in a C4 wh with 2 marauders i can net about 400m-600m in an hour(give or take). So thats is aprx 2 hours of work.
Anyone who can not make the isk to get a plex should not pay with plex. 33m... that an hour of mining.. or a few stupid simple missions
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
124
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:32:24 -
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DaReaper wrote:Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse Do you really believe what you just spewed onto the page? i'm sure jenn does because its true. even at 1b isk for a plex, if you make money over 30 days, thats 33m isk a day. its not that bloody hard to get a plex. hell in a C4 wh with 2 marauders i can net about 400m-600m in an hour(give or take). So thats is aprx 2 hours of work. Anyone who can not make the isk to get a plex should not pay with plex. 33m... that an hour of mining.. or a few stupid simple missions
Tell me, what version of eve do you play in which I can magically poof TWO billion isk ships out of my butt and then magically have the skills required to fly said ships, and also magically poofed an alt to help me do it, then poofed into a C4 wormhole site without scanning anything, and also poofed out any WH dwellers looking to scan me down, and then poofed back out of the WH back into high sec at a trading station that immediately buy my items? Tell me which version? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11634
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:37:44 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse Do you really believe what you just spewed onto the page?
I'm sorry, did you just ask me if I actually believe simple math? Simple math that I use every day while playing EVE online and making enough isk to plex 4 accounts easily while having left over billions to buy ships and stuff with?
And before you say something stupid about having a lot of SP, you know you can make isk easily with a single stealth bomber in faction warfare, or attack battle cruisers and t1 cruisers in high and low sec right? |
Paranoid Loyd
6041
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:38:28 -
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#nopoors
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11634
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:38:42 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:DaReaper wrote:Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse Do you really believe what you just spewed onto the page? i'm sure jenn does because its true. even at 1b isk for a plex, if you make money over 30 days, thats 33m isk a day. its not that bloody hard to get a plex. hell in a C4 wh with 2 marauders i can net about 400m-600m in an hour(give or take). So thats is aprx 2 hours of work. Anyone who can not make the isk to get a plex should not pay with plex. 33m... that an hour of mining.. or a few stupid simple missions Tell me, what version of eve do you play in which I can magically poof TWO billion isk ships out of my butt and then magically have the skills required to fly said ships, and also magically poofed an alt to help me do it, then poofed into a C4 wormhole site without scanning anything, and also poofed out any WH dwellers looking to scan me down, and then poofed back out of the WH back into high sec at a trading station that immediately buy my items? Tell me which version?
The version where mental illness is treated with medication.
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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
63
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:42:16 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Tell me, what version of eve do you play in which I can magically poof TWO billion isk ships out of my butt and then magically have the skills required to fly said ships, and also magically poofed an alt to help me do it, then poofed into a C4 wormhole site without scanning anything, and also poofed out any WH dwellers looking to scan me down, and then poofed back out of the WH back into high sec at a trading station that immediately buy my items? Tell me which version?
*checks Hadrian's birthdate. November 2013. Right.
*checks his own birthdate. March 2014. Ok.
*scratches his head on how a character older with more skills than himself can't make 2 bil for decent ratting ships. |
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
11
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:47:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse
moot:, adjective: subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision. |
DaReaper
Net 7
2254
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:48:22 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:DaReaper wrote:Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse Do you really believe what you just spewed onto the page? i'm sure jenn does because its true. even at 1b isk for a plex, if you make money over 30 days, thats 33m isk a day. its not that bloody hard to get a plex. hell in a C4 wh with 2 marauders i can net about 400m-600m in an hour(give or take). So thats is aprx 2 hours of work. Anyone who can not make the isk to get a plex should not pay with plex. 33m... that an hour of mining.. or a few stupid simple missions Tell me, what version of eve do you play in which I can magically poof TWO billion isk ships out of my butt and then magically have the skills required to fly said ships, and also magically poofed an alt to help me do it, then poofed into a C4 wormhole site without scanning anything, and also poofed out any WH dwellers looking to scan me down, and then poofed back out of the WH back into high sec at a trading station that immediately buy my items? Tell me which version?
stop playing eve wrong maybe?
Ways to make isk in eve 101
Mission. Byt the time you het lvl 4's you will have the isk for a ship that cna fly it
Mine find an out of the way system and mine your ass off
Explore get a cloaky ship (cost you like maybe 60m) and go hack or anaylze sites, with luck you cna net 400m+ in a matter of mins.
Gas mine: Get a venture or a prospect, scan down a c5 or c6 and ninga 3 digit gas. you cna net a few hundred million if the site is clear or you keep moving
Ice mine see above topic mining
trade follow the market find something you cna sell and trade
build get yourself s imple bp and buy the basic ore needed to make it, build and sell for profit
run low end worm holes : in a bloody c1 you cna EASILY net 200m isk in an hour with a BS or lower. Esp if you get a jackpot of nano ribbons and you are fast at clearing sites
good lord dude, stop playing eve wrong.
Edit:
and thats not even things like piracy, bounty hunting, pvping, suicide ganking, scamming,
Hell an explorer ship and an empty wormhole you cna sell for 1b isk in a matter of days.
so i repeat.. stop playing eve wrong.
if you are broke its your own damn fault. Take it from someone who for 7 years of his eve carrier ran a corp and did everything, and never broke 1b isk. I had fun doing it, and if i wanted money it took me a few days to get it to get what i wanted.
Making isk is STUPID easy in eve.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:50:45 -
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Dunno if this has anything to do with it or not but I noticed that after Burn Amarr was concluded local PLEX prices skyrocketed in all of the trade hubs I'm close to.
Whatever the reason, its a great time to be a PLEX buyer atm. My profit margins are much higher right now.  |
Do Little
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:54:14 -
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If you expect to consistently PLEX your account during your first year in the game you will need to spend a lot of hours in New Eden - mining, level 4 missions, hauling - divide the price of PLEX by your isk/hour and that's how long it will take. By the time you've been playing the game a year, that 2 billion isk Marauder is pocket change - and you'll have no trouble flying it if you set your goals and focused your training.
In a little over a year I am making several billion per month in Industry. I use it to pay for multiple character training and still pay my subscriptions but all my ALTs should be fully trained by my second anniversary in the game and I expect to easily PLEX my subscriptions.
All PLEX is initially purchased from CCP for real money and sold in game by someone - frequently new players - who want ISK. If the number of new players drops so will the supply of PLEX. If the number of experienced players wanting to pay with PLEX increases the supply/demand imbalance will drive the price up. |
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
183
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:57:00 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:
At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?
Current in game sell price about 800M give or take. Even if you only make $10 USD/hour, that's two hours work to buy one...can you make 400M/hour in game? Do you enjoy doing what you do to earn ISK, or is it "work"?
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Marech Bhayanaka
The Night Crew
The Night Crew Alliance
28
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Posted - 2015.06.30 20:44:57 -
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DaReaper wrote:
Explore get a cloaky ship (cost you like maybe 60m) and go hack or anaylze sites, with luck you cna net 400m+ in a matter of mins.
An excellent example of how irrelevant or out of touch some of the postings in this thread are. This one time in a hundred (or less, probably) payout in no way helps anyone understand how many hours off exploration it will take you to Plex your account. (Hint: it isn't three sites, and it isn't ten minutes per day either.)
Marech. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
565
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Posted - 2015.06.30 20:53:38 -
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PLEX converted to AUR for SKINs? |
Anthar Thebess
1203
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Posted - 2015.06.30 21:10:49 -
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1. Speculation.
People have tons of them - we have people that have triliards of isk
2. CCP like high plex price , it limits RMT
3. All new shiny stuff for plex ... cough ... arum
The funny part is that when plex was around 300-400mil we had almost 40k people online.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24091
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Posted - 2015.06.30 21:13:48 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:but what I really fear is the day when there are more (hardcore and dedicated fans) buying PLEX, than people using them to sub their accounts. You fear for who? Those that can't afford to put in the time to raise the ISK to buy one? Or CCP?
In CCPs case they make more money from the purchase of a PLEX than they do from the purchase of a 1 month subscription, they certainly aren't going to be worried about it financially
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
622
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Posted - 2015.06.30 21:22:32 -
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High PLEX prices are a godsend for PVPers. If you're care-bearing and pay your account with PLEX, I feel sorry for you. But with PLEX approaching 1b isk, you can buy alot of throw-away PVP ships. |
Leoric Firesword
Rolling Static
Gone Critical
136
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Posted - 2015.06.30 21:31:16 -
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Hilti Enaka wrote:This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?
User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?
At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?
Alliance Tournament, you buy in with Plex, lots of people try to buy in :) |
Hal Morsh
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
321
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Posted - 2015.06.30 21:34:25 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
The version where mental illness is treated with medication.
What are you trying to say?
Paranoid Loyd wrote:#nopoors
I'm broke in EVE. Always.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1237
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Posted - 2015.06.30 22:16:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dead Horse
PLEX is 29 million isk per day right now. Their are high sec missions and null anomalies that pay this amount of isk and more and none of them take more than 10-15 minutes in a tech1 BS or tech3 cruiser. A single high sec incursion HQ site that takes between 8 and 14 minutes pays 31.5 mil (Plus another 7 mil worth of CONCORD LP).
If you can't spend 10 minutes out of a day to gain 24 hours of 'free' access to a video game you shouldn't be using plex in the 1st place, making any discussion of it's rising price completely moot.
/Dead Horse
I liked it better when it was 4mil per day 
I just pay my sub, sure I can grind a plex in a few hours, but then I feel like I have to play, and I don't like that.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Jayden Thomas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.06.30 22:24:56 -
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PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game. |
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