I am worse than that "terribleateverything" guy at PVP. Buying plex to play the game PVP only is also out of the question ESPECCIALLY because I suck at it. I stick with my 15$ a month usually and so I just derp about EVE most of the time doing random things, then again I'm usually high so it's more fun.

PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.

With respect, you can't afford $11/mo?

It's 15 dollars per month for me (unless online tax whatever changed that), and 20$ per plex.



Are you getting 11$ per month for a year package? Not everyone buys EVE in bulk. unless you are in some country where it's money has really high value that also uses dollars. Not the US if you are getting 11 dollars somehow.


Besides not everyone can pay but if you can't pay and you can't earn enough in game cash to be playing then you can't play, there should be no reason CCP be forced to inject plex into the economy to lower that entrance barrier.


Go make the monthly fee or grind the plex out. Even if you can't multibox or incursion a plex at some point, it wont mean someone out there working the market or running some moons wont be able to.

I can go to a movie for ~90-120 minutes and almost have enough to buy a drink as well.

This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?

User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?

At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?

PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.

With respect, you can't afford $11/mo?

Here's what you do:

Make a plan. Currently the cheapest Plex is 923m/isk. You're probably not going to fly around to save a few m/isk so let's stick with Jita at 927m/isk. In other words try to make about 31m/isk per day.

It really isn't that difficult when you plan accordingly. Run a mission, mine, PvP, do some FW plexing, Hauling, trading, PI, etc; but, whichever you choose to be your 'space job' do it in manageable increments over the course of the month so you don't burn yourself out.

Hell, I used to run L4 missions back in the day and one site was easily 30+ m/isk; assuming you LP and salvage. In other words, if you were worried and/or didn't care about LP/salvage, you could simply run two sites per day and from the bounties alone have enough for your plex and still have some left over for other things.

Also, scamming is the most lucrative and second to that I hear is station trading...

Send me some isk and I'll tell you all about it

Justifying it by saying "$11/month" really doesn't work lol. That's like saying "only 37 cents a day! Look how affordable that is!" Your logic only makes you feel better about spending all that money for only a single source of entertainment.

You really think this game is worth $132 for a year?

PLEX should only and explicitly be used for game time, and not redeemable for anything else. For those of us unable or unwilling to sub with real money, PLEX prices will slowly and surely force us out of the game.

Plex being higher now than a year ago would've made me think twice rather than rush to buy plex and put 200million isk bounties on a bunch of botters. LOL so i guess that's good

The act of subscribing is paying at least $132 a year, whether that's in cash or equivalent farming for someone else who paid cash in order to generate the PLEX you used is irrelevant.

I think the better question is why anyone who has to farm it out bothers when $132 a year is only 18.2 hours of work at the US minimum wage.

This is not a rant but an question as to why plex has become so expensive?

User numbers down?
everyone is space rich?

At what does it become financially better to plex with real money?

That is quite a narrow view. Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.

That is quite a narrow view.

Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.

Tell me, what version of eve do you play in which I can magically poof TWO billion isk ships out of my butt and then magically have the skills required to fly said ships, and also magically poofed an alt to help me do it, then poofed into a C4 wormhole site without scanning anything, and also poofed out any WH dwellers looking to scan me down, and then poofed back out of the WH back into high sec at a trading station that immediately buy my items? Tell me which version?

Actually, in a very objective sense, it's the most panoramic view possible. What's myopic is the assumption that, effectively, "working," for others in-game, through the PLEX exchange, is the best most players can do in terms of how they acquire their game time.


Most people on earth, my extended family included, live in China and are well below the first world poverty line. They're not the intended market for the game we're playing right now. They have their own server. As I understand it, "most people," who play on TQ are actually middle-aged first-world men.

The game not being fun is an issue aside for you to debate, but if you're going to argue that most first-world adult males are unable to acquire the cash to fund a single EVE subscription I think we can safely discard your opinion.

As you were quoting my texts I shall reply.

First of all I never said most people. Second, where does it say this game is intended for first world white males? That would mean that a big part of the players in Russia, Eastern Europe and the Balkans should leave?

That would mean that a big part of the players in Russia, Eastern Europe and the Balkans should leave?

That is quite a narrow view. Lots of people in eve live in countries where the monthly income is about 300 dollars with prices for cloathing and other items on the same level as the US. They really cannot afford to pay for a subscription. So I do agree that rising plex prices will push people out of the game as their is no fun in grinding isk and as far as I am concerned a game should be fun.