Nothing is set in stone yet but it seems likely that we will try and move new players towards starting with significantly more SP. Maybe between 1 and 2 million.

A dev said on Reddit that they wouldn't have any issue doing this, except that learning implants are the source of income for a ton of people in EVE, so they'd have to replace them with something equally desirable.

I make a post expressing the need for attributes and learning implants to go away. Explain how it is harmful to new players. Everyone goes ballistic. CCP makes the same post and everyone nods in agreement.

I don't even.

Welcome to fanboi HQ.

See how important CPU is? Well, here is an alternate fit for now, go do some chores for me and I'll grant you CPU management V.

Call up Greyscale sometime if it helps.

EVE not being simple as (insert name of bullshit you don't care anymore) is the reason im still playing it.

I understand what you are asking and I will modify the support to

By my calculations, that is about 1,584,833 SP.

Because Eve is the most difficult game and that is why EVE attracts players

Flying a T2 ship without the proper skill base is not the path to success.

In addition to the pigeon-holing aspect, adding Racial Frigate V and Racial Small Turret V as starting skills puts you up over 2m SP.

That's my meaning regarding the unique nature of drones. They are different to any of the others and as such should be considered as an advanced weapon system and not intended for anything more than support tasks for new players without them specifically choosing to train them above other things.

I really hate agreeing with Rivr

Then you get the sense of accomplishment by being able to log back in on your second day and see 15 skills complete

Aerasia, I wonder where I am wrong. I stated on multiple occasions that more SP does not help them at all.

They can fly things faster they do not understand

As it sits now, a person whom is wealthy enough in RL can purchase a PLEX, which allows them to keep their head full of +5 implants, which in my mind, is the same as buying SP.

This is true, however, a monthly sub can only provide a base SP per month.

it should be a primary objective to give the players an enjoyable experience and not just all the tools of the game quicker.

Teens should be able to come to the same conclusion of they weigh the ups and downs.

There is nothing locked out. It simply takes a couple of hours longer if you do not go full speed.

in the bazaar busily trying to sell their garbage "starter," alts. I assume you're one of them.

I'd say right now NPE should encourage grouping with people willing to guide and teach. I think I'm only here because I was told to join a corp long before I installed the game, heh.

NPE won't fix attitude though. I was following certain community recently and what can I say... Only newbies that aren't ridiculed there are ones that come and display understanding of mech, ability to use EFT / dotlan / other utilities in their first post. In short, people who aren't really those newbies who rely on NPE, whatever it is. That can't be fixed by CCP.

that moves the new player past the "skill point barrier."

I've had this character for quite a while, been training all but 6 months of the time and have never used anything higher than a +3.

You do not need to have +5s to advance quick and orderly in the skill tree, neither at the beginning nor in the end game.

no they don't as most of the skills they will be learning will be low multiplier and therefore only minimally affected by the extra +1 or 2 from +5's.

The only argument I have seen against the removal of attribute implants is (though not always worded as such) "Don't use them and enjoy the game."

Fit an ewar mod and go join pandemic horde, karmafleet, brave, or dreddit?

It gets annoying hearing this "it only takes so long for said ship" argument, as this argument assumes that said person has knowledge on Eve.

[How many vets do you know that think it's ok to fly a t1 fitted Megathron into a lvl 4 with basically no drone, tank, turret, or other support skills?

I can't think of anything as universally desired, though.

Incursion runners generate a lot of LP as do faction warfare ppl. It is not just mission runners. But yea implants are popular for LP to isk conversion. For SoE LP often it is not implants for example.