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Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:17:00 - [1] alright, so i just got back to playing since 'revelations' came out, (or w/e you wanna call it) and i got a mission from my agent (level3, q:0). the mission is called 'Stop the Thief'. so anyway, it requires me to jump to next system, take out rats, retrieve an item, go back, and return the item... reward: 50k credits, 67k more if im within X hours.. 90 LP.. so anyway, i go to the encounter area and start fighting the rats in my ferox, which has 13k+ shields, over 50% on resists, and a low recharge rate. when i warp in, i see about 10 (somewhere around there) npc cruisers all locking onto me at the same time. by far the hardest level 3 mission ive gotten, and also by far the worst payment.. so is this a bug? did i miss something in revelations that took off the reward for missions? should i just goto .2 and kill bcs?
Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:17:00 - [2] alright, so i just got back to playing since 'revelations' came out, (or w/e you wanna call it) and i got a mission from my agent (level3, q:0). the mission is called 'Stop the Thief'. so anyway, it requires me to jump to next system, take out rats, retrieve an item, go back, and return the item... reward: 50k credits, 67k more if im within X hours.. 90 LP.. so anyway, i go to the encounter area and start fighting the rats in my ferox, which has 13k+ shields, over 50% on resists, and a low recharge rate. when i warp in, i see about 10 (somewhere around there) npc cruisers all locking onto me at the same time. by far the hardest level 3 mission ive gotten, and also by far the worst payment.. so is this a bug? did i miss something in revelations that took off the reward for missions? should i just goto .2 and kill bcs?
Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:17:00 - [3] alright, so i just got back to playing since 'revelations' came out, (or w/e you wanna call it) and i got a mission from my agent (level3, q:0). the mission is called 'Stop the Thief'. so anyway, it requires me to jump to next system, take out rats, retrieve an item, go back, and return the item... reward: 50k credits, 67k more if im within X hours.. 90 LP.. so anyway, i go to the encounter area and start fighting the rats in my ferox, which has 13k+ shields, over 50% on resists, and a low recharge rate. when i warp in, i see about 10 (somewhere around there) npc cruisers all locking onto me at the same time. by far the hardest level 3 mission ive gotten, and also by far the worst payment.. so is this a bug? did i miss something in revelations that took off the reward for missions? should i just goto .2 and kill bcs?
Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:17:00 - [4] alright, so i just got back to playing since 'revelations' came out, (or w/e you wanna call it) and i got a mission from my agent (level3, q:0). the mission is called 'Stop the Thief'. so anyway, it requires me to jump to next system, take out rats, retrieve an item, go back, and return the item... reward: 50k credits, 67k more if im within X hours.. 90 LP.. so anyway, i go to the encounter area and start fighting the rats in my ferox, which has 13k+ shields, over 50% on resists, and a low recharge rate. when i warp in, i see about 10 (somewhere around there) npc cruisers all locking onto me at the same time. by far the hardest level 3 mission ive gotten, and also by far the worst payment.. so is this a bug? did i miss something in revelations that took off the reward for missions? should i just goto .2 and kill bcs?
Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:17:00 - [5] alright, so i just got back to playing since 'revelations' came out, (or w/e you wanna call it) and i got a mission from my agent (level3, q:0). the mission is called 'Stop the Thief'. so anyway, it requires me to jump to next system, take out rats, retrieve an item, go back, and return the item... reward: 50k credits, 67k more if im within X hours.. 90 LP.. so anyway, i go to the encounter area and start fighting the rats in my ferox, which has 13k+ shields, over 50% on resists, and a low recharge rate. when i warp in, i see about 10 (somewhere around there) npc cruisers all locking onto me at the same time. by far the hardest level 3 mission ive gotten, and also by far the worst payment.. so is this a bug? did i miss something in revelations that took off the reward for missions? should i just goto .2 and kill bcs?
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:42:00 - [6] This should be stickied or something... This is due to the fact that the mission is in fact new mission, thus it hasn't been run enough to get reward balanced. Mission reward are calculated automatically based on average amount of time required to finish the mission. So you are one of the first fuys who is trying to 'balance it'. In 2 days i suppose it reward would be in line with difficulty.
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:42:00 - [7] This should be stickied or something... This is due to the fact that the mission is in fact new mission, thus it hasn't been run enough to get reward balanced. Mission reward are calculated automatically based on average amount of time required to finish the mission. So you are one of the first fuys who is trying to 'balance it'. In 2 days i suppose it reward would be in line with difficulty.
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:42:00 - [8] This should be stickied or something... This is due to the fact that the mission is in fact new mission, thus it hasn't been run enough to get reward balanced. Mission reward are calculated automatically based on average amount of time required to finish the mission. So you are one of the first fuys who is trying to 'balance it'. In 2 days i suppose it reward would be in line with difficulty.
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:42:00 - [9] This should be stickied or something... This is due to the fact that the mission is in fact new mission, thus it hasn't been run enough to get reward balanced. Mission reward are calculated automatically based on average amount of time required to finish the mission. So you are one of the first fuys who is trying to 'balance it'. In 2 days i suppose it reward would be in line with difficulty.
Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Master Pickle on 29/11/2006 06:48:33 alright, thank you, that makes perfect sense. i get to be ccp's guinea pig
Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:48:00 - [11] Edited by: Master Pickle on 29/11/2006 06:48:33 alright, thank you, that makes perfect sense. i get to be ccp's guinea pig
Master Pickle	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Master Pickle on 29/11/2006 06:48:33 alright, thank you, that makes perfect sense. i get to be ccp's guinea pig
Rilder Caldari black viper corp	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Master Pickle Edited by: Master Pickle on 29/11/2006 06:48:33 alright, thank you, that makes perfect sense. i get to be ccp's guinea pig I would run away then, CCP likes to use there guinea pigs to power the servers ------------
Rilder Caldari black viper corp	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Master Pickle Edited by: Master Pickle on 29/11/2006 06:48:33 alright, thank you, that makes perfect sense. i get to be ccp's guinea pig I would run away then, CCP likes to use there guinea pigs to power the servers ------------
Rilder Caldari black viper corp	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Master Pickle Edited by: Master Pickle on 29/11/2006 06:48:33 alright, thank you, that makes perfect sense. i get to be ccp's guinea pig I would run away then, CCP likes to use there guinea pigs to power the servers ------------
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:55:00 - [16] Edited by: Sokratesz on 29/11/2006 06:55:46 blasphemy! hamsters! but cool, i didnt knew they were balanced in that way.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:55:00 - [17] Edited by: Sokratesz on 29/11/2006 06:55:46 blasphemy! hamsters! but cool, i didnt knew they were balanced in that way.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:55:00 - [18] Edited by: Sokratesz on 29/11/2006 06:55:46 blasphemy! hamsters! but cool, i didnt knew they were balanced in that way.
Municherus	Posted - 2006.11.29 07:41:00 - [19] Yes, I just received the same mission right now. My Raven with 9700 shield and +50 resists for shield is almost obliterated in 10 secs. I've looked into the log, and I summed a few hits: 1200+ damage in 3 seconds.
Vaccus Animus	Posted - 2006.11.29 08:36:00 - [20] If your gonna jump into a level 3 mission with only 50% or so resitences then no offence man you can expect to get obliterated. Bare minimum of 75% or 80% for the 2 core damage types of that rat if you can for a level 3 to walk it with great ease. I Know some people can do missions on very low resistences but for those of us who dont have the skills the the 75%-80% is a good recomendation. Also dont forget that mission rats will now be using Heavy Assult Missiles, low range but a deadly firing rate, its not somthing we'v seen before so tanking may have to be re-thought for the smaller NPC's.
SirFett Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.29 08:40:00 - [21] heh try the blockade lvl3 68k reward 65k bonus (wich has run out now but erm hardly optainable) 190LP so far ive killed rats in exess of 5m ... chewed thru 6 auroras .... still not done yet wuuuh
Municherus	Posted - 2006.11.29 08:48:00 - [22] Well, in my mission I had to kill guristas, they fire kinetic, my kinetic resistance was 70%. However, I've been doing L3s for almost 2 moths, and I really encountered packs of feroxes firing heavies. Well, this was way beyond...and it seems it's not only my opinion
SirFett Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.29 08:54:00 - [23] nah lol i got jumped by way too manny rats at once + they keep spawning and coming and comon 6m in bountys now and its harder than angel extravaganza or pirate invasion (wich now actualy are rather easy for me on lvl3 ... )
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:09:00 - [24] Stop the thief seems to have mercenairy spawns. If this is true kill the commanders first. They do EM damage. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?
Municherus	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:21:00 - [25] Yeah, well, there are 7 or 8 commanders and 1 frigate (the thief). Of course I would kill the commanders first
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.29 18:58:00 - [26] Zrakor posted that killing certain NPC types initiates more spawns...I'm really hoping someone posts WHAT those NPCs are BEFORE I get that mission. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment until you've looked at them.
Kaptein Trefot Caldari Calista Industries	Posted - 2006.11.29 19:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Zar Dim This should be stickied or something... This is due to the fact that the mission is in fact new mission, thus it hasn't been run enough to get reward balanced. Mission reward are calculated automatically based on average amount of time required to finish the mission. So you are one of the first fuys who is trying to 'balance it'. In 2 days i suppose it reward would be in line with difficulty. It cant be just average missiontime. Downing the slaves take takes about 15 mins for level III and twice that for level IV and pays out the same as Angel X.
Agnar Koladrov Gallente Hurricane Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.29 20:41:00 - [28] Edited by: Agnar Koladrov on 29/11/2006 20:43:49 Originally by: Grey Area Zrakor posted that killing certain NPC types initiates more spawns...I'm really hoping someone posts WHAT those NPCs are BEFORE I get that mission. I`m doing the missions now and 1 thing I noticed. you get 8 merc commanders 85k each, but only TWO stay at a distance. Thoses two are the only remaining onces now, I`ll see what happens when I kill one. Will update shortly. Killed all, no extra spwan what so ever :S ________________________________________________ What a Revelation!
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.29 22:18:00 - [29] Mission payouts are always out of whack after a major patch that involved changes to missions. The payouts are on some weird escalating scale where the more missions you do the more they become, even for the same mission. My understanding is the counter gets reset to zero when they update the missions in a patch. I don't know if explanation is accurate at all, but that's the basic gist.
Skarraza	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Kaptein Trefot It cant be just average missiontime. Downing the slaves take takes about 15 mins for level III and twice that for level IV and pays out the same as Angel X. Actually, while that is a moderate difficulty mission at best, the first stage has 400k units worth of omber asteroids. Some players tend to farm them for days on end (just don't goto the 2nd stage and it re-spawn at downtime). That is why there is a 6 hr payout on that mission. Things aren't always as they seem.
Graill	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:41:00 - [31] try stop the thief level 4. first pass destroyed all merc wingman and 1 bs, lost tank had to warp, came back, shadow and his cronies are there at warp in point hosing, tank is gone in seconds (and i use to have a wicked tank (grin revelations) cap wasnt the problem, hardners werent the problem. nasty damage was. after 4 attempts, 3 diff configs this mission is hosed, my mach USE to have a very sweet shield tank, its gone in a few seconds in this mission when shadow and his friends appear, glad they dont warp scram. this was the new version. brought a friend on attempt 5 nogo. passing on this one, reward also blows, but to be expected. becareful on this one, couple friends with shield transfers may help the main tank, i wasnt going to mess with it.
siliconix 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:49:00 - [32] Did the level 4 against mercenaries in gistii fitted cerb with 2x invuln fields t2 and 2x lrg ext t2, had to warp out like 4 times, hard, but not impossible. But yeah, in shield tanked ships, doing the merc. commanders first is most likely wise.
Banned Rico Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.30 23:27:00 - [33] Just done this mission (lvl 4) first time on since the patch in my raven.I was kinda worried that all missions had become a lot harder but now relieved that after reading your posts and the tough time you guys had. FYI Raven equipped gist b xl shield booster did the job for me with 2 shield amps and 2 invuln fields. No problem with cap but had to run the booster almost constantly - shields got down to 35% at it's lowest point. I would'nt recommend leaving home without one :) "Excused from everything"
Starlit Serenade	Posted - 2006.12.01 02:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Kaptein Trefot It cant be just average missiontime. Downing the slaves take takes about 15 mins for level III and twice that for level IV and pays out the same as Angel X. Yeah well lots of people like me leave the mission running for 7 days so noobs in our corp can mine the omber for quick ISK. =P
Krupjik Djavol	Posted - 2006.12.01 12:03:00 - [35] Just as an aside to this post, a corpmate asked for help doing an L3 mission 'The Blockade' last night, both of us went in with pretty well fitted Ferox, myself holding 16175 shield using T2 shields and appropriate hardeners... we got pretty much hammered in next to no time, constant warping in/out... by far the hardest L3 I have come across yet... Despite the increases to BC hitpoints, I feel this mission is too much as it stands for an L3 and is prob closer to an L4... until now I have not come across an L3 mission I cannot solo in a Ferox, this was just too much. Rewards were nice but to get panelled in not time was ridiculous.

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