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DeckardIRL Gallente Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.29 10:55:00 - [31] Wow, Will order the entire corp to train up for those- hell they are gonna be expensive as everyone will want one for every gate.... I think we need more entries into 0.0 if this hasnt been done already by the release because, this is gate control par excellence. This is great for system defense nevermind for piewats... wonder what the skill requirements are.... Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Sales Merchant	Posted - 2006.11.29 10:57:00 - [32] 'Lockdown' redefined.
Rei Toai Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.11.29 10:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Sales Merchant 'Lockdown' redefined. because that's exactly what EVE's pvp needed. not. __________________________________ I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to know.
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:00:00 - [34] Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 29/11/2006 11:00:46 Originally by: DeckardIRL Wow, Will order the entire corp to train up for those- hell they are gonna be expensive as everyone will want one for every gate.... I think we need more entries into 0.0 if this hasnt been done already by the release because, this is gate control par excellence. This is great for system defense nevermind for piewats... wonder what the skill requirements are.... Deck the same requrements as interdiction launchers, primarily, propulsion jamming 5... so maybe not your entire corp... Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Braaage eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Pattern Clarc btw, it's 36 in radius, 72km in diameter. Aha it got hit with the nerfbat if that's correct it was 45km radius. So that pic I posted is wrong (that's the 45kkm radius one). ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Sales Merchant	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:04:00 - [36] Edited by: Sales Merchant on 29/11/2006 11:04:06 Originally by: Rei Toai Originally by: Sales Merchant 'Lockdown' redefined. because that's exactly what EVE's pvp needed. not. The Borat in you is strong! Anyway, you could say they are seriously overpowered and i wouldn't argue if the build cost was low, but in an age where capitals ships can jump anywhere and move whole fleets anywhere there has to be something good to catch all the poor barstewards and stragglers that can't leapfrog and er... this would be it
Mortalitis Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:20:00 - [37] wants And i can see this as good to locking down a system, less lag when you jump in or enemy jumps in, only need one large rather than daft amounts of mediums and smalls ------------------------------------------
Gelvitron ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 29/11/2006 09:02:06 these bad boys!!!!?!?!! it's been seeded That's going to make things... umm.. interesting :) Good times ahead.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:29:00 - [39] Edited by: James Lyrus on 29/11/2006 11:31:31 Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Synapse Archae Originally by: Seleene YES!!! One bubble to rule them all!!! Three bubbles for the BoB corps in at their gatecamps Seven for the D2 FCs in their sansha stations Nine for the ASCN HCs doomed to sit in outposts chatting One for the Merc Lord on her dark throne In the land of J8-G8K where the shadows lie. One bubble to rule them all, one bubble to scram them, One bubble to suck them in, and in the darkness pod them. In the land of J8-G8K where the shadows lie. Doesnt have the musical tones of the original but it suits the purpose. bows Class! And w00tage for these things! Now...who will pilot the hauler when moving around 0.0 space with this thing? /Lowa I will. My crane can fit several, and as an added bonus web stuff in the bubble at the same time :). Especially with inertial stabilisers, and agility/speed rigs, and a powergrid rig so it can actually use a MWD. I've just noticed thought, that Anchoring delay. 8 minutes... I figured T2 was worthless, because ... well 36km vs. 54km isn't really significant for gate lockdown, but when they anchor twice as fast that's very significant.
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:39:00 - [40] Originally by: James Lyrus Edited by: James Lyrus on 29/11/2006 11:31:31 Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Synapse Archae Originally by: Seleene YES!!! One bubble to rule them all!!! Three bubbles for the BoB corps in at their gatecamps Seven for the D2 FCs in their sansha stations Nine for the ASCN HCs doomed to sit in outposts chatting One for the Merc Lord on her dark throne In the land of J8-G8K where the shadows lie. One bubble to rule them all, one bubble to scram them, One bubble to suck them in, and in the darkness pod them. In the land of J8-G8K where the shadows lie. Doesnt have the musical tones of the original but it suits the purpose. bows Class! And w00tage for these things! Now...who will pilot the hauler when moving around 0.0 space with this thing? /Lowa I will. My crane can fit several, and as an added bonus web stuff in the bubble at the same time :). Especially with inertial stabilisers, and agility/speed rigs, and a powergrid rig so it can actually use a MWD. I've just noticed thought, that Anchoring delay. 8 minutes... I figured T2 was worthless, because ... well 36km vs. 54km isn't really significant for gate lockdown, but when they anchor twice as fast that's very significant. when you can place one at 130km behind a gate, and the other at 170km behind a gate.... thats also very significant Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: James Lyrus Edited by: James Lyrus on 29/11/2006 11:31:31 Originally by: Lowa Originally by: Synapse Archae Originally by: Seleene YES!!! One bubble to rule them all!!! Three bubbles for the BoB corps in at their gatecamps Seven for the D2 FCs in their sansha stations Nine for the ASCN HCs doomed to sit in outposts chatting One for the Merc Lord on her dark throne In the land of J8-G8K where the shadows lie. One bubble to rule them all, one bubble to scram them, One bubble to suck them in, and in the darkness pod them. In the land of J8-G8K where the shadows lie. Doesnt have the musical tones of the original but it suits the purpose. bows Class! And w00tage for these things! Now...who will pilot the hauler when moving around 0.0 space with this thing? /Lowa I will. My crane can fit several, and as an added bonus web stuff in the bubble at the same time :). Especially with inertial stabilisers, and agility/speed rigs, and a powergrid rig so it can actually use a MWD. I've just noticed thought, that Anchoring delay. 8 minutes... I figured T2 was worthless, because ... well 36km vs. 54km isn't really significant for gate lockdown, but when they anchor twice as fast that's very significant. when you can place one at 130km behind a gate, and the other at 170km behind a gate.... thats also very significant I'm afraid I don't follow? Something to do with radius vs. arrival vectors? Fair enough, but as your radius expands, your 'coverage' area of arrivals also expands. I'm not sure I'd be wanting to put a 36km bubble 100km from the gate - just _on_ the gate will get everyone warping to zero, rather than the muppets who just use the obvious vector through system.
Sally Va	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:21:00 - [42] Sorry for being a noob, but how would putting a bubble BEHIND a gate do you any good now that insta bm's are pretty much gone and everyone will warp to 0km ? Will it still suck you in ? I never quite understood how that worked. My idea was that if the insta bm was made where the bubble is at, it would pull you in. But how does that work with 0km warp to gates ?
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:23:00 - [43] currently with interdictor spheres, your pulled in from 100km large distrupers will make it impossible for incoming fleets to assume sniper position (assuming the same gravity well effect maintains at an estimated 170-200km) tech II bubbles may be able to pull you from warp vectors leading slightly off grid, these things need to be tested. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
WulfWestphal Minmatar NEVADA Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:23:00 - [44] i dont get it. you are happy about a thing that seems to totally throw the balance overboard? first, warp to 0 - lazy campers/gankers need to move their butt and actually _do_ something to get the prey. to "adapt". second, the lazy camper/ganker gets another powerfull tool to let the frickin butt rest and gank the hell out of everybody who crosses the bubble? what the hell? really, please explain, i dont get it...
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:41:00 - [45] Edited by: James Lyrus on 29/11/2006 12:43:04 Originally by: Pattern Clarc currently with interdictor spheres, your pulled in from 100km large distrupers will make it impossible for incoming fleets to assume sniper position (assuming the same gravity well effect maintains at an estimated 170-200km) tech II bubbles may be able to pull you from warp vectors leading slightly off grid, these things need to be tested. I was always under the impression that bubbles would _always_ suck you in, if you were a) on the same grid, and b) arriving on a vector that intersected with the bubble. Not that I tested this extensively mind, but I'm pretty certain 'bubble suck' used to work at >100km. (Anchored smalls, not interdictor bubbles) Originally by: WulfWestphal i dont get it. you are happy about a thing that seems to totally throw the balance overboard? first, warp to 0 - lazy campers/gankers need to move their butt and actually _do_ something to get the prey. to "adapt". second, the lazy camper/ganker gets another powerfull tool to let the frickin butt rest and gank the hell out of everybody who crosses the bubble? what the hell? really, please explain, i dont get it... Warp to zero is a bodge to fix the fact that there's people who've decided that they cannot cope without the crutch that are instas. Instas by their very nature change EVE's gameplay significantly, and IMO for the worse. Although I accept I've lost that argument. Even if everyone did come to see things my way, 90% of EVE will no longer be able to cope without warp to zero. Bubbles were initially introduced as a workaround to prevent people in fast ships with instas being TOTALLY INVULNERABLE. Now with every having the option of warping to a gate from any given vector in a system, some kind of countermeasure is needed. This cuts both ways - bear in mind virtual invulnerabilty when travelling hurts both sides of the pirate/carebear divide. Or would you rather that next time you go and chase off some pirates there's absolutely nothing you can do to catch them?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:45:00 - [46] Originally by: Sally Va Sorry for being a noob, but how would putting a bubble BEHIND a gate do you any good now that insta bm's are pretty much gone and everyone will warp to 0km ? Will it still suck you in ? I never quite understood how that worked. My idea was that if the insta bm was made where the bubble is at, it would pull you in. But how does that work with 0km warp to gates ? To the best of my knowledge, a warp disruptor bubble 'works' if an arriving ship is a) arriving in the same grid as the bubble b) has a vector which intersects with where the bubble is. They then leave warp on the edge of the bubble appropriate to their arrival vector, and on a larger ship 'drift' in towards the middle. Thus you can set it around a gate, but then risk fast ships being able to MWD through. Otherwise you can set up the bubble 100km away, on the right vector, and arriving traffic has quite a long run to the gate.
Rutoo Gallente Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:45:00 - [47] Huginn + Domination webber + Gang Bonas = a Very Very Very Long web range, ceptors are going to have a hard time getting out of this unless they run for the gate again which then the bubble does what it was suppose to do :) _________________________________________________________ My First EvE Video Club Seals Not Sandwichs

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