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Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.11 09:26:21 - [31] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: ... the only way this is acceptable is within alliance logistics programs (if thats a thing) ...[/quote] 100% + right you are. Well, now, that's also possible. Also, bear in mind the nature of collateral and that my offer in now way negates collateral assets as a requirement to contract. Just that I don't directly require collateral payment as the security medium itself or in itself.
Ragnar Izanagi Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.07.11 10:27:33 - [32] - Quote Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: Lan Wang wrote: ... the only way this is acceptable is within alliance logistics programs (if thats a thing) ... He's not a troll, and he's probably not as stupid as he sounds, but english is clearly not his first language, he doesn't understand the concept of a courier, and he doesn't know what the word "Collateral" means... Pontryvel: A courier accepts goods under a contract. In order to sell your services you have to offer the following. 1. A reasonable fee that the CLIENT has to pay YOU. 2. A large amount of ISK, called COLLATERAL that YOU must pay to accept the contract. YOU PAY COLLATERAL, THE CLIENT PAYS THE FEE. YOU DO NOT PAY THE COLLATERAL TO THE CLIENT, YOU PUT IN IN AN ACCOUNT, THE CLIENT CANNOT TOUCH IT UNLESS YOU FAIL TO DELIVER ON THE CONTRACT. IF YOU DELIVER ON THE CONTRACT, YOU GET THE COLLATERAL BACK ALONG WITH YOUR FEE. IT IS YOUR GUARANTEE TO THE CLIENT THAT YOU WILL DELIVER THE GOODS. There are services out there, most of which have been named for you alreay, that offer the same service you claim to for a LOWER fee, and offer MORE collateral. They have a much better reputation than you do, and they know what a courier does. Only idiots will pay for what you're offering. if you can't afford to do courier contracts the right way, you're not ready to do them.
Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.11 11:13:15 - [33] - Quote Ragnar Izanagi wrote: ...he's probably not as stupid as he sounds, but english is clearly not his first language, he doesn't understand the concept of a courier, and he doesn't know what the word "Collateral" means... Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. 2. First language is a ridiculous concept, explain what you mean in more relevant details. 3. My understanding and practical use of language obviously isn't something designed for you to understand since you prefer misrepresenting me to bask in your ill gained riches. 4. I don't know what collateral means according to you even if I had paid and lost over 10b ISK or 100b ISK in it for the matter. Only stupid fools would be so ignorant to fall into traps of intention to control their courier while clients try to set them up with collateral and other obligation such as waste of time, inciting others to boycott, and fleets designed to spy and clutter forums thread, plus insults investor by calling them fools and stupid to spit on the outmost good faith nature of their insurance investment compared to the good faith reasons you may give. Also trying to misrepresent me and try to pass as helping me while obviously scheming to attack me and try to justify loss of colateral with no insurance in case of gank is a blatant fraud you mister. I don't care if I have to hire an English major from New York University. That would be even more stupid. (And guess what, I sure the hell did.)
GankYou 4B0082 Research 763	Posted - 2015.07.11 12:20:51 - [34] - Quote How about you do zero collateral, zero reward until delivered biz model? See how it goes. /prepares a stack of Tritaniums to flood the channels ...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤ [WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Fighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
Ragnar Izanagi 0	Posted - 2015.07.11 12:37:17 - [35] - Quote Quote: Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. Believe it or not, dude, I'm the only one in this thread NOT insulting you. Shut up and listen. Quote: 2. First language is a ridiculous concept, explain what you mean in more relevant details. What I mean by "not your first language" is exactly what I say... You were born, you learned a language OTHER THAN ENGLISH, you grew up a bit, and you LATER learned english... In other words, myself and other Native English speakers reading this thread can tell you aren't yet a master of the language. I'm not insulting you by saying you're not a native English speaker, neither was Einstein, but he got by. Quote: 3. My understanding and practical use of language obviously isn't something designed for you to understand since you prefer misrepresenting me to bask in your ill gained riches. In case you were about to ask for an example of how you aren't a master of the English language, Look no further.^^^ I don't know what that ** means in your language, but it means all in English. Quote:** 4. I don't know what collateral means according to you even if I had paid and lost over 10b ISK or 100b ISK in it for the matter. Only stupid fools would be so ignorant to fall into traps of intention to control their courier while clients try to set them up with collateral and other obligation such as waste of time, inciting others to boycott, and fleets designed to spy and clutter forums thread, plus insults investor by calling them fools and stupid to spit on the outmost good faith nature of their insurance investment compared to the good faith reasons you may give. In case you were wondering how I knew you don't know what collateral means, Look no further ^^^ That's not what it means... Go back, read my post again, pull your head out of your ass, and stop trying to internet toughguy the only person in this thread who is bothering to give you practical advice.
Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.11 13:06:44 - [36] - Quote Ragnar Izanagi wrote: Quote: Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. Believe it or not, dude, I'm the only one in this thread NOT insulting you. Shut up and listen. Exactly my point Sherlock. I started this thread and I don't have to be told to shut up and listen to your non-sense. Bye, move along. I sure the hell won't be spending my weekend over trying to please your request to rip me off and tell me to shut up to waste my time and money. I don't have to listen to you and I sure the hell don't need to.
Ragnar Izanagi 0	Posted - 2015.07.11 13:08:54 - [37] - Quote Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: Ragnar Izanagi wrote: Quote: Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. Believe it or not, dude, I'm the only one in this thread NOT insulting you. Shut up and listen. Exactly my point Sherlock. I started this thread and I don't have to be told to shut up and listen to your non-sense. Bye, move along. I sure the hell won't be spending my weekend over trying to please your request to rip me off and tell me to shut up to waste my time and money. I don't have to listen to you and I sure the hell don't need to. I take it back. I was wrong all along... He is every bit as stupid as he sounds. Have at him, boys.
Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.11 13:09:25 - [38] - Quote Ragnar Izanagi wrote: What I mean by "not your first language" is exactly what I say... You were born, you learned a language OTHER THAN ENGLISH, you grew up a bit, and you LATER learned english... No I did not, I more than learned English and like I said, also did hire a English Major from New York University before the 9-11. Just because you quote donkeys in this thread or try to make yourself pass as one, or as if some intelligence agent disguised as a dog don't mean I have to associate with you. It is thanks to people like You that we are where we are at now. And even she can attest of that (the English major that is.).
Ragnar Izanagi 1	Posted - 2015.07.11 13:22:30 - [39] - Quote Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: Ragnar Izanagi wrote: What I mean by "not your first language" is exactly what I say... You were born, you learned a language OTHER THAN ENGLISH, you grew up a bit, and you LATER learned english... No I did not, I more than learned English and like I said, also did hire a English Major from New York University before the 9-11. Just because you quote donkeys in this thread or try to make yourself pass as one, or as if some intelligence agent disguised as a dog don't mean I have to associate with you. It is thanks to people like You that we are where we are at now. And even she can attest of that (the English major that is.). Oh really? you HIRED and english major? Well I didn't have to, I've been speaking english with perfect fluency for over 3 decades. I was born into it. I could form a sentence better than you before I popped the tit out of my mouth. You know why people major in English at NYU? Because they grew up speaking Farsi or something, and learning to speak english is an actual accomplishment for them. I can speak circles around your friend because she simply dabbles in a language in which I've been imbued for a lifetime. As for my experience with this game, or the idea that I'm somehow trying to con you, I've been playing this game for almost a decade... The day I made this toon, Nickelback had a song in the number 1 spot. Nickelback... If I wanted to steal from someone, I'd steal from someone who knew what the hell they were doing. You have nothing I want.
Escobar Slim III YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS 138	Posted - 2015.07.11 13:53:40 - [40] - Quote after careful consideration ......

Almiel The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 27	Posted - 2015.07.11 15:10:54 - [41] - Quote I'm starting to lean towards troll but you never know . . . If troll, then bravo! My hat is off to you sir.
Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.11 16:37:09 - [42] - Quote This will be for the next few months as I am too busy to have my time wasted in negotiation. I don't have to take risks that are not worth it and , it would be better for those who want covert transport. Other than that, it will give me the time to practive and record video evidence. Besides, as for the insurance security systems I am developing , I should have enough asset then to do it on my own without requiring other investors or having to share profits with them.
Jeronica Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 386	Posted - 2015.07.13 15:45:32 - [43] - Quote This thread is great. I don't understand why no one else has done this business model before and succeeded. Seems like such a winning combination on intellect and thinking into the future. This is year 23353 guys, why do we even need collateral these days? EVE-Mogul: https://www.eve-mogul.com CEO/Programmer Trade Profit Tracking Service
Cidanel Afuran Grant Village 87	Posted - 2015.07.14 13:59:26 - [44] - Quote Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow. But I will add this: I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability. You are trying to start a freight service. That means you ARE competing against existing JF/BR freight services, whether you intend to or not. Let me put it this way. Pontryvel, contract me 1 bil worth of ships in game today, and I promise I will give them back to you tomorrow. Would you take me up on that? I swear I will give them back.
Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:28:06 - [45] - Quote 1. I don't think you'd like the contract. (I could win, even if you never did have the ships physically.) 2. I DON'T start or offer this service (service offer to move products covertly and, funny enough, unpublished to unwanted parties) to compete. I merely stated that the competition was welcome to publish in my thread since it may bring valuable insight. I also offered those who could bring the insight rewards if the insight or info was valuable (even though understated at first). 3. JF services are published as business service offer, and quite frankly, cynosural field can be issued from Rookie Ship with cloaks. It is pretty hard to detect (almost as hard to detect as a Covert Ship with a Covert Cloak). Only once the cloak is deactivated can the Cynosural field be activated for the JF to lock onto it. It's almost the same for the Black Ops BR fleet except for a few more covert points: i) There are no BR services offered publicly since they are more secret (they are at least less published, including mine). ii) The Covert Cyno ship cannot be a Rookie ship which means there is more risk to lose more value. iii) The Covert Cyno ship still needs to decloak before it can activate it's Covert Cynosural field. iv) The Covert Cyno field cannot be detected, but the uncloaked Covert Ship can be detected as would the Rookie Ship Cyno ship. v) \|It is even easier to detect a Decloaked Covert Ship than a Rookie Ship since it can be a more valuable target. Cidanel Afuran wrote: Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow. But I will add this: I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability. You are trying to start a freight service. That means you ARE competing against existing JF/BR freight services, whether you intend to or not. Let me put it this way. Pontryvel, contract me 1 bil worth of ships in game today, and I promise I will give them back to you tomorrow. Would you take me up on that? I swear I will give them back.
Careby 215	Posted - 2015.07.15 13:49:32 - [46] - Quote Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: ... 4. I have never fallen asleep ... I think that explains everything. Sarcasm is OP
Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.15 14:59:33 - [47] - Quote Careby wrote: Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: ... 4. I have never fallen asleep ... I think that explains everything. I have never fallen asleep while on Blockade Run. It is not complicated to misinterpret me. It is easy to see how I am being misinterpreted. Either way, seems there will be a lots of wars, so, the offer might become even more valid or worthwhile later.
Darley Ciel Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates 0	Posted - 2015.07.17 02:33:36 - [48] - Quote Clearly one of the best threads on MD in forever. Who is the OP??? ESL speaker who is actually a genius and just can't get his point across 5% - Chance ESL speaker who is as stupid as he sounds 15% - Chance Native english speaker, doing an amazing job a impersonating a mentally ******** ESL speaker while trolling MD 80% (I started out a like 10% through page one - this guy is amazing) Someone should hire this guy to set up robocalls. You would never be able to tell if you were talking to a real person or not. -DC
Darley Ciel Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates 0	Posted - 2015.07.17 02:34:24 - [49] - Quote double post
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6170	Posted - 2015.07.17 09:18:55 - [50] - Quote Thread has been moved to Sell Orders. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Pontryvel Crendraven Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.07.17 17:35:46 - [51] - Quote 1st, ty for the move. Darley Ciel wrote: Clearly one of the best threads on MD in forever. ... + Make that Sell Orders as well? (Quite diverting... Also, my system takes me over one hour as it is a rather unforgiving hardware system.) I also don't have or offer any sell orders at this time. I could use this thread to post sell orders. I didn't intend to sell Black Ops ships or Blockade Runner ships although that may be an option. The Original post clearly was about market discussion about offers to use Jump Bridge from Black Ops to haul items with Blockade Runners and Covert Fleets. Good thing I registered a copyright for $55 with an English speaking government before posting is this EVE Online forum.


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