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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.05 13:56:27 -
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I Offer Transport of Items in Covert Blockade Runners, including Payloads delivery and Refueling.
We can increase the Fleets Sizes if Necessary for Additional Fees.
We have Black Ops Ships and Covert Cynos Ships available to safely Move the BRs back and Forth.
(We also have other Covert Ships available to Support this feat, including and not limited to Covert Ops Ships. Sisters of EVE Ships and Special Edition Ships are not inluded in the limit yet.)
(Sorry, we do not offer non-Covert Jump Freighter Size Cargo at this time.)
I expect the Competition to give me some feedback on this (rewards are offered if the informations are worthwhile). |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:17:12 -
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is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral?
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5157
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:09:01 -
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Lan Wang wrote:is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral?
I assume this service is 1b.
I've seen people offer services like this for collateralized moves of items like researched Titan BPOs or T2 ship BPOs, with collaterals in the low 12 figures and fees in the low ten figures.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
740
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:22:58 -
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Twenty five BRs are needed to match one JF - can you compete with that?
Well, at least it's covert! Could be useful for some ninja POS refueling. Or maybe not.
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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.07 18:17:42 -
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Lan Wang wrote:is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral? No, it was 1 billion cost minimum. No Collateral at this time. No Insurance at this time.
Maybe, some investors are willing to offer insurance, depending. They may want to track loses and success records to adjust their rates accordingly.
The Collateral mechanic of the game allows for some security but I would not pay collateral to offer this service.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.07 18:40:34 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:Lan Wang wrote:is the service 1bil or is that the size of the collateral? No, it was 1 billion cost minimum. No Collateral at this time. No Insurance at this time. Maybe, some investors are willing to offer insurance, depending. They may want to track loses and success records to adjust their rates accordingly. The Collateral mechanic of the game allows for some security but I would not pay collateral to offer this service.
hmmm sounds like a scam, why should we use this service over red,black,green,blue, whatever frog?
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Create Alliance
612
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:26:36 -
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Why would anyone choose you over Black Frog? They offer up to 20b collateral while prices start around 100m for a single cyno JF contract.
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Almiel
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
24
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:42:44 -
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So to quickly summarize....
Give you all my stuff to haul no collateral AND give you 1 billion ISK
Pontryvel, if anyone falls for this can you please please PLEASE post the follow-up mails from the person wanting their stuff back? I need some good reading material for the summer. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5169
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Posted - 2015.07.07 23:19:33 -
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Almiel wrote:So to quickly summarize....
Give you all my stuff to haul no collateral AND give you 1 billion ISK
Pontryvel, if anyone falls for this can you please please PLEASE post the follow-up mails from the person wanting their stuff back? I need some good reading material for the summer.
/signed.
1b isn't a bad price if the collateral is around 100b (small parcel, interceptor friendly) or 20b (full JF load).
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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
85
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:54:11 -
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Without collateral, why on earth would I give anything to a service I have never heard from before and has no testimonials?
Scam smells like a scam |
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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:27:56 -
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Do you mean that Black Frog or other services are offering to pay Collateral to move Items?
I do not offer to pay collateral. I will simply refuse to fall to gank squads mechanics. I will not take responsiblity for the risk of getting destroyed with your cargo. Either you insure your items / cargo or you don't.
I already run the risk to lose ovr 1b ISK to 10b ISK accepting to move items, and the time it takes, plus risk calculation to derive costs.
I do not work for Black Frog, and if I did, I'd be under NDA for again, the same security risk.
I am not scamming, and I would not steal item or sell info on them. Simply not, if you have a service that can move your items covertly and pay collateral, then use them, not me.
I will be developing an insurance system and I'm willing to invest with investors to do it yes, but this will not be limited to collateral loss without private MD insurance.
(Please excuse the lenght of the last sentence above, I can break it down into 2 or 3 smaller ones if need be.)
Also, my schedule is extremely busy, and I may not be able to offer the same speedy delivery as Black Frog or other. so it will take me a few months to sort this up.
bb tomorrow... |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6341
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:45:27 -
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The point people are making is that you offer no guarantee (beyond your word) that items will be delivered. Nothing stops you accepting to move a contract then just taking the items, neither does it mean you hold any liability should you fall asleep while travelling, and the price you charge is much higher. With PushX I can get a full JF from NPC delve to Jita with 10b isk collateral delivered within a week for 415m, Black frog can offer 20b collateral across the same distance for 740m. What possible benefit can you offer over other freight services to make yours worth the risk and price?
Quite honestly this whole thread comes across as a troll rather than a legitimate attempt at a service.
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Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:59:59 -
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Troll or this guy has never even looked at how to set up a courier contract and how collateral works with them. |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:01:26 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The point people are making is that you offer no guarantee (beyond your word) that items will be delivered. Nothing stops you accepting to move a contract then just taking the items, neither does it mean you hold any liability should you fall asleep while travelling, and the price you charge is much higher. With PushX I can get a full JF from NPC delve to Jita with 10b isk collateral delivered within a week for 415m, Black frog can offer 20b collateral across the same distance for 740m. What possible benefit can you offer over other freight services to make yours worth the risk and price?
Quite honestly this whole thread comes across as a troll rather than a legitimate attempt at a service. SOrry for the Quote of your post but 1. I do not offer JF service because I don't have one. 2. I give you my word that if I am asked to move items for my enemies into a trap that they have the right to do business elsewhere. 3. I have never taken an item after accepting a contract, let alone review a contract, besides your open ended clauses above. 4. I have never fallen asleep and I can also video record my trip for security audit reiew. 5. Why should I be liable for other's traps? Nice try but no. I can ask Black Frog how they get their collat back..? 6. I heard of PushX too but I forgot their offer and again, I do not offer JF for the reason mentionned above. 7. If it's worth it to get a JF then I'd do it, until then, it's just not worth it for me yet. 8. I offered Black Ops, Covert Jump services, and that can include 2 trips or more if the conditions warrants it. (Simple Arithmetic : 415m x 3 = 1.235b ISK + 740m x 2 = 1.480 b ISK.) 9. I do not offer benefit over freight services since I offer delivery in war zone with Covert Cyno (yes, I Pontryvel won't fly this mission, I'm just a forum / com officer). 10. The reason the clause in case of war, doesn't apply in the same way is because Blockade Runners are equipped to run in war fronts. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Create Alliance
612
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:36:42 -
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These are your characters right?
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Almiel
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
25
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:42:07 -
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You are free to create any business you like using whatever business model you choose. What people here are saying about your model is, well it stinks. Nobody should use your services because this is Eve and you offer no guarantee other than your word. Again, this is Eve and without a background reputation your word is of quite a low value.
You want to create a startup? Then make the sacrifices and take the risks yourself rather than trying to offload them on your clientele till you gain public trust. |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:54:02 -
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Almiel wrote:You are free to create any business you like using whatever business model you choose. What people here are saying about your model is, well it stinks. Nobody should use your services because this is Eve and you offer no guarantee other than your word. Again, this is Eve and without a background reputation your word is of quite a low value.
You want to create a startup? Then make the sacrifices and take the risks yourself rather than trying to offload them on your clientele till you gain public trust. What guarantee would I get from you that once I develop a model which you request it would be better than your wprd? What about a numerical value to compare on a scale of -1 to 6?
2. I didn't create a model. 3. I think I prefer you don't get my work to stink. 4. Nobody should use my services if all they they want is to fight me, because I would implement ways to keep their items as compensation for damage .
5. For instance, I organize a background reputation to be implemented from my work and present it. Then, it's again attacked, and proof of justification to discredit the service in spite of unfair competition erupts. Who will clean up the lava damage, or do you plan to offer PI raw material?
I will not offer a public trust service for covert actitivy, those 2 principle would conflict internally against the less moral nature of the dirty service. Thanks but, due to increased risks, the model needs to be more simple. Otherwise, the clients would not be able to benefit and clutter would administer the competition to run me into the ground.
6. By the way, it costed me more than a Titan's worth already, and I did invest it myself yes, not by trying to make others look bad. I understand that eternal conflict can require covert activity. |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:04:06 -
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Do you understand how collateral works with courier contracts? |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:21:00 -
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Alexi Stokov wrote:Do you understand how collateral works with courier contracts? yes, I understand, you refer to the ingame contract sub-program, including the public contracts.
However, Time is of the essence and trolls love to attack when there's no time. It fuels their chance at hostile takeover.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.08 19:16:45 -
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what exactly is the advantage of using a covert ship over a jump freighter? i dont get what this whole covert business is all about.
this isnt trolling this is simply questioning your business model and why we should risk you over other services, if you consider legitimate questions trolling then i wouldnt expect very much business
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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
85
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:58:34 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: SOrry for the Quote of your post but 1. I do not offer JF service because I don't have one. 2. I give you my word that if I am asked to move items for my enemies into a trap that they have the right to do business elsewhere. 3. I have never taken an item after accepting a contract, let alone review a contract, besides your open ended clauses above. 4. I have never fallen asleep and I can also video record my trip for security audit review. 5. Why should I be liable for other's traps? Nice try but no. I can ask Black Frog how they get their collat back..? 6. I heard of PushX too but I forgot their offer and again, I do not offer JF for the reason mentionned above. 7. If it's worth it to get a JF then I'd do it, until then, it's just not worth it for me yet. 8. I offered Black Ops, Covert Jump services, and that can include 2 trips or more if the conditions warrants it. (Simple Arithmetic : 415m x 3 = 1.235b ISK + 740m x 2 = 1.480 b ISK.) 9. I do not offer benefit over freight services since I offer delivery in war zone with Covert Cyno (yes, I Pontryvel won't fly this mission, I'm just a forum / com officer). 10. The reason the clause in case of war, doesn't apply in the same way is because Blockade Runners are equipped to run in war fronts.
If you are confidant in your business model and in game ability, why not offer collateral to prove someone can trust you? You won't get any customers whatsoever if you don't build a reputation, and you will never build a reputation for a service like this without offering some sort of guarantee that people like me won't lose everything by trusting you. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6346
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Posted - 2015.07.09 07:07:37 -
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Reading this thread is like witnessing an acid trip.
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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.09 16:22:31 -
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Lan Wang wrote:what exactly is the advantage of using a covert ship over a jump freighter? i dont get what this whole covert business is all about.
this isnt trolling this is simply questioning your business model and why we should risk you over other services, if you consider legitimate questions trolling then i wouldnt expect very much business
Cidanel Afuran wrote:If you are confidant in your business model and in game ability, why not offer collateral to prove someone can trust you? You won't get any customers whatsoever if you don't build a reputation, and you will never build a reputation for a service like this without offering some sort of guarantee that people like me won't lose everything by trusting you. I'm preparing replies but since it got so complicated , it'll require more time from me to be able to simplify it.
I'll add this for now: The insurance is a channel or a medium meant to convey a sense of trust or confidence as collateral do. Please be aware that collateral themselves offer less freedom in the prevention of damage. It is too easy for covert business to use collateral to attack cargo. In fact, the insurance scheme is meant to prevent backstabbing from clients.
It doesn't mean that I will trust risking 10b or 20b because I have concluded 10b or 20b business with a potential client. I will most likely not, since it would be too easy to steal and try to steal my work, income (and assets).
Also, the reputation part is more related to the insurance, as the client's reputation is expected to change the outcome as well.
As for Covert Advantage over Jump Freighter, this thread is not meant to go over that. I can start another thread to discuss differences between the 2 services but I do not see competition between the 2 since they are different service. Of course there are related competition in the sense of cargo freight delivery but my offer is also not related to this.
This competition is in fact more attuned to what a Jump Freighter service would be a part of , systematically speaking.
3. The general differences lie in that covert transports and movement are harder to detect by D-scan. It offers more freedom for movement , undetected movement, and it is still traceable, and can be tracked.
I could go into more detail but I will leave that for another thread since it may shed too much light on security vulnerability. Enemies can exploit those and try to counter-attack the gained safety of the systematic transport method.
4. The offer is meant to be contracted and accomplished.
No collateral are offered since I do not seek to build customer relation based on collateral.
If they do not want to use my service, I am not willing to offer to risk my assets to provide them.
I already incurred enough risk as it is to get the covert fleet that I do not see or have any benefit in that.
The insurance will offer me the leeway necessary to make this possible without locking me in a predicament. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.10 06:47:12 -
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Well then nobody is going to use your service, it;'s that simple. Nobody is going to trust you with their stuff with no collateral, paying a higher amount for a delivery just because you choose to use a cheap ship to do it. Your competitors move more for cheaper and guarantee it's delivery. Your service has no conceivable benefits, it's really that simple.
Good luck!
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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.10 18:37:05 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Well then nobody is going to use your service, it;'s that simple. Nobody is going to trust you with their stuff with no collateral, paying a higher amount for a delivery just because you choose to use a cheap ship to do it. Your competitors move more for cheaper and guarantee it's delivery. Your service has no conceivable benefits, it's really that simple.
Good luck! No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow.
But I will add this: I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability. I invited the competition to post in this thread and it sure seems they did although replies seemed more like, clients will prefer the competition, rather than state, we are competitors and so on... (I forgot how I presented the invitation at this time and will try to verify tomorrow, on schedule.)
As for the items being moved without collateral and trust, I have seen this done in specific condition and it is perfectly sane and viable. Of course there are factors related to security, and I believe my cargo insurance offer will cover that even though it won't be necessary since I may offer other forms of security. =ƒÆ¦ |
solarius lunarian
BHE holdings Heimatar Alliance Treaty Organization
10
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Posted - 2015.07.10 18:40:14 -
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Speaking as someone who does both jump freight and blockade running in NPC nullsec and
You don't really have a business model, you are asking your client to take on an unreasonable amount of risk for the service you provide. You are looking at this deal completely from your own perspective and not the people who would use your service
Part of the skill of being a trader or courier is to be able to easily identify likely scams or bait contracts and not take them, if you do accept it, then find a way to complete it while still avoiding the ganks, don't accept contracts with false collateral. Your insurance scheme doesn't make sense, why would a client accept less than full collateral??
You are misunderstanding your role as a courier, you are being payed to take the risk of hauling the goods from the client from point A to point B, if you don't offer collateral there is no reason for a client to pay you this fee because you haven't taken on any risk at all.
the problem with this equation is that you don't ever take any real risks, you want your clients to insure their own goods WHEN THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE PAYING YOU FOR.
if you don't trust your own ability to avoid ganks, recognize scams/setups and safely get good where they need to go WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOUR CLIENTS TRUST YOU |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.10 18:49:42 -
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solarius lunarian wrote:Speaking as someone who does both jump freight and blockade running in NPC nullsec and
You don't really have a business model, you are asking your client to take on an unreasonable amount of risk for the service you provide. You are looking at this deal completely from your own perspective and not the people who would use your service
Part of the skill of being a trader or courier is to be able to easily identify likely scams or bait contracts and not take them, if you do accept it, then find a way to complete it while still avoiding the ganks, don't accept contracts with false collateral. Your insurance scheme doesn't make sense, why would a client accept less than full collateral??
You are misunderstanding your role as a courier, you are being payed to take the risk of hauling the goods from the client from point A to point B, if you don't offer collateral there is no reason for a client to pay you this fee because you haven't taken on any risk at all.
the problem with this equation is that you don't ever take any real risks, you want your clients to insure their own goods WHEN THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE PAYING YOU FOR.
if you don't trust your own ability to avoid ganks, recognize scams/setups and safely get good where they need to go WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOUR CLIENTS TRUST YOU again , you reply when I have to go to work and cause delays + get me late no time until after 6 am for this |
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Posted - 2015.07.10 19:11:06 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:solarius lunarian wrote:Speaking as someone who does both jump freight and blockade running in NPC nullsec and
You don't really have a business model, you are asking your client to take on an unreasonable amount of risk for the service you provide. You are looking at this deal completely from your own perspective and not the people who would use your service
Part of the skill of being a trader or courier is to be able to easily identify likely scams or bait contracts and not take them, if you do accept it, then find a way to complete it while still avoiding the ganks, don't accept contracts with false collateral. Your insurance scheme doesn't make sense, why would a client accept less than full collateral??
You are misunderstanding your role as a courier, you are being payed to take the risk of hauling the goods from the client from point A to point B, if you don't offer collateral there is no reason for a client to pay you this fee because you haven't taken on any risk at all.
the problem with this equation is that you don't ever take any real risks, you want your clients to insure their own goods WHEN THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE PAYING YOU FOR.
if you don't trust your own ability to avoid ganks, recognize scams/setups and safely get good where they need to go WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOUR CLIENTS TRUST YOU again , you reply when I have to go to work and cause delays + get me late no time until after 6 am for this
It's pretty funny that you want your clients to take all the risk while paying you several times the going rate and you expect people to wait until you're ready before they post a reply then blame them for your inability to walk away.
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General Ivanvitch
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.07.10 19:16:17 -
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You are aware there are different time zones of people that are allowed to post ..... Plus these wonderful inventions called cellphones that let you post from work? |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.10 19:22:06 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Well then nobody is going to use your service, it;'s that simple. Nobody is going to trust you with their stuff with no collateral, paying a higher amount for a delivery just because you choose to use a cheap ship to do it. Your competitors move more for cheaper and guarantee it's delivery. Your service has no conceivable benefits, it's really that simple.
Good luck! No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow. But I will add this: I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability. I invited the competition to post in this thread and it sure seems they did although replies seemed more like, clients will prefer the competition, rather than state, we are competitors and so on... (I forgot how I presented the invitation at this time and will try to verify tomorrow, on schedule.) As for the items being moved without collateral and trust, I have seen this done in specific condition and it is perfectly sane and viable. Of course there are factors related to security, and I believe my cargo insurance offer will cover that even though it won't be necessary since I may offer other forms of security. =ƒÆ¦
the only way this is acceptable is within alliance logistics programs (if thats a thing) if i wanted something expensive moved i would use redfrog etc because they offer collateral and a guarantee that if i lose it then i get something back, i wouldnt use a service to move something expensive at a crazy price with no collateral. ps i have no alts so i rely on logistics services i trust or offer collateral.
sorry i dont see any benefit to your service, unless you offer collateral you will get very little business when the competition is so tight. the competition wont post because...why do they need to?
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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.11 09:26:21 -
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the only way this is acceptable is within alliance logistics programs (if thats a thing) ...[/quote] 100% + right you are. Well, now, that's also possible.
Also, bear in mind the nature of collateral and that my offer in now way negates collateral assets as a requirement to contract. Just that I don't directly require collateral payment as the security medium itself or in itself. |
Ragnar Izanagi
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.07.11 10:27:33 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: the only way this is acceptable is within alliance logistics programs (if thats a thing) ...
He's not a troll, and he's probably not as stupid as he sounds, but english is clearly not his first language, he doesn't understand the concept of a courier, and he doesn't know what the word "Collateral" means...
Pontryvel:
A courier accepts goods under a contract. In order to sell your services you have to offer the following.
1. A reasonable fee that the CLIENT has to pay YOU. 2. A large amount of ISK, called COLLATERAL that YOU must pay to accept the contract.
YOU PAY COLLATERAL, THE CLIENT PAYS THE FEE. YOU DO NOT PAY THE COLLATERAL TO THE CLIENT, YOU PUT IN IN AN ACCOUNT, THE CLIENT CANNOT TOUCH IT UNLESS YOU FAIL TO DELIVER ON THE CONTRACT. IF YOU DELIVER ON THE CONTRACT, YOU GET THE COLLATERAL BACK ALONG WITH YOUR FEE. IT IS YOUR GUARANTEE TO THE CLIENT THAT YOU WILL DELIVER THE GOODS.
There are services out there, most of which have been named for you alreay, that offer the same service you claim to for a LOWER fee, and offer MORE collateral. They have a much better reputation than you do, and they know what a courier does. Only idiots will pay for what you're offering. if you can't afford to do courier contracts the right way, you're not ready to do them. |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.11 11:13:15 -
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Ragnar Izanagi wrote:...he's probably not as stupid as he sounds, but english is clearly not his first language, he doesn't understand the concept of a courier, and he doesn't know what the word "Collateral" means... Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. 2. First language is a ridiculous concept, explain what you mean in more relevant details. 3. My understanding and practical use of language obviously isn't something designed for you to understand since you prefer misrepresenting me to bask in your ill gained riches. 4. I don't know what collateral means according to you even if I had paid and lost over 10b ISK or 100b ISK in it for the matter. Only stupid fools would be so ignorant to fall into traps of intention to control their courier while clients try to set them up with collateral and other obligation such as waste of time, inciting others to boycott, and fleets designed to spy and clutter forums thread, plus insults investor by calling them fools and stupid to spit on the outmost good faith nature of their insurance investment compared to the good faith reasons you may give. Also trying to misrepresent me and try to pass as helping me while obviously scheming to attack me and try to justify loss of colateral with no insurance in case of gank is a blatant fraud you mister. I don't care if I have to hire an English major from New York University. That would be even more stupid. (And guess what, I sure the hell did.) |
GankYou
4B0082 Research
763
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Posted - 2015.07.11 12:20:51 -
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How about you do zero collateral, zero reward until delivered biz model? See how it goes.
/prepares a stack of Tritaniums to flood the channels
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Fighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
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Ragnar Izanagi
0
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Posted - 2015.07.11 12:37:17 -
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Quote:Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. Believe it or not, dude, I'm the only one in this thread NOT insulting you. Shut up and listen.
Quote:2. First language is a ridiculous concept, explain what you mean in more relevant details. What I mean by "not your first language" is exactly what I say... You were born, you learned a language OTHER THAN ENGLISH, you grew up a bit, and you LATER learned english...
In other words, myself and other Native English speakers reading this thread can tell you aren't yet a master of the language. I'm not insulting you by saying you're not a native English speaker, neither was Einstein, but he got by.
Quote:3. My understanding and practical use of language obviously isn't something designed for you to understand since you prefer misrepresenting me to bask in your ill gained riches.
In case you were about to ask for an example of how you aren't a master of the English language, Look no further.^^^ I don't know what that **** means in your language, but it means **** all in English.
Quote:4. I don't know what collateral means according to you even if I had paid and lost over 10b ISK or 100b ISK in it for the matter. Only stupid fools would be so ignorant to fall into traps of intention to control their courier while clients try to set them up with collateral and other obligation such as waste of time, inciting others to boycott, and fleets designed to spy and clutter forums thread, plus insults investor by calling them fools and stupid to spit on the outmost good faith nature of their insurance investment compared to the good faith reasons you may give.
In case you were wondering how I knew you don't know what collateral means, Look no further ^^^ That's not what it means...
Go back, read my post again, pull your head out of your ass, and stop trying to internet toughguy the only person in this thread who is bothering to give you practical advice. |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.11 13:06:44 -
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Ragnar Izanagi wrote:Quote:Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. Believe it or not, dude, I'm the only one in this thread NOT insulting you. Shut up and listen. Exactly my point Sherlock. I started this thread and I don't have to be told to shut up and listen to your non-sense. Bye, move along.
I sure the hell won't be spending my weekend over trying to please your request to rip me off and tell me to shut up to waste my time and money. I don't have to listen to you and I sure the hell don't need to. |
Ragnar Izanagi
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Posted - 2015.07.11 13:08:54 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:Ragnar Izanagi wrote:Quote:Probably not as stupid as you are doomed to make me sound, I agree. Believe it or not, dude, I'm the only one in this thread NOT insulting you. Shut up and listen. Exactly my point Sherlock. I started this thread and I don't have to be told to shut up and listen to your non-sense. Bye, move along. I sure the hell won't be spending my weekend over trying to please your request to rip me off and tell me to shut up to waste my time and money. I don't have to listen to you and I sure the hell don't need to.
I take it back. I was wrong all along... He is every bit as stupid as he sounds. Have at him, boys. |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.11 13:09:25 -
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Ragnar Izanagi wrote:What I mean by "not your first language" is exactly what I say... You were born, you learned a language OTHER THAN ENGLISH, you grew up a bit, and you LATER learned english... No I did not, I more than learned English and like I said, also did hire a English Major from New York University before the 9-11. Just because you quote donkeys in this thread or try to make yourself pass as one, or as if some intelligence agent disguised as a dog don't mean I have to associate with you. It is thanks to people like You that we are where we are at now. And even she can attest of that (the English major that is.). |
Ragnar Izanagi
1
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Posted - 2015.07.11 13:22:30 -
[39] - Quote
Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:Ragnar Izanagi wrote:What I mean by "not your first language" is exactly what I say... You were born, you learned a language OTHER THAN ENGLISH, you grew up a bit, and you LATER learned english... No I did not, I more than learned English and like I said, also did hire a English Major from New York University before the 9-11. Just because you quote donkeys in this thread or try to make yourself pass as one, or as if some intelligence agent disguised as a dog don't mean I have to associate with you. It is thanks to people like You that we are where we are at now. And even she can attest of that (the English major that is.).
Oh really? you HIRED and english major? Well I didn't have to, I've been speaking english with perfect fluency for over 3 decades. I was born into it. I could form a sentence better than you before I popped the tit out of my mouth. You know why people major in English at NYU? Because they grew up speaking Farsi or something, and learning to speak english is an actual accomplishment for them. I can speak circles around your friend because she simply dabbles in a language in which I've been imbued for a lifetime.
As for my experience with this game, or the idea that I'm somehow trying to con you, I've been playing this game for almost a decade... The day I made this toon, Nickelback had a song in the number 1 spot. Nickelback... If I wanted to steal from someone, I'd steal from someone who knew what the hell they were doing. You have nothing I want.
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Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
138
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Posted - 2015.07.11 13:53:40 -
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after careful consideration ...... |
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Almiel
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.11 15:10:54 -
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I'm starting to lean towards troll but you never know . . .
If troll, then bravo! My hat is off to you sir. |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.11 16:37:09 -
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This will be for the next few months as I am too busy to have my time wasted in negotiation. I don't have to take risks that are not worth it and , it would be better for those who want covert transport.
Other than that, it will give me the time to practive and record video evidence.
Besides, as for the insurance security systems I am developing , I should have enough asset then to do it on my own without requiring other investors or having to share profits with them. |
Jeronica
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
386
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:45:32 -
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This thread is great. I don't understand why no one else has done this business model before and succeeded. Seems like such a winning combination on intellect and thinking into the future. This is year 23353 guys, why do we even need collateral these days?
EVE-Mogul: https://www.eve-mogul.com
CEO/Programmer
Trade Profit Tracking Service
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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
87
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:59:26 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow.
But I will add this: I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability.
You are trying to start a freight service. That means you ARE competing against existing JF/BR freight services, whether you intend to or not.
Let me put it this way.
Pontryvel, contract me 1 bil worth of ships in game today, and I promise I will give them back to you tomorrow.
Would you take me up on that? I swear I will give them back. |
Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.14 17:28:06 -
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1. I don't think you'd like the contract. (I could win, even if you never did have the ships physically.)
2. I DON'T start or offer this service (service offer to move products covertly and, funny enough, unpublished to unwanted parties) to compete. I merely stated that the competition was welcome to publish in my thread since it may bring valuable insight. I also offered those who could bring the insight rewards if the insight or info was valuable (even though understated at first).
3. JF services are published as business service offer, and quite frankly, cynosural field can be issued from Rookie Ship with cloaks. It is pretty hard to detect (almost as hard to detect as a Covert Ship with a Covert Cloak). Only once the cloak is deactivated can the Cynosural field be activated for the JF to lock onto it. It's almost the same for the Black Ops BR fleet except for a few more covert points: i) There are no BR services offered publicly since they are more secret (they are at least less published, including mine). ii) The Covert Cyno ship cannot be a Rookie ship which means there is more risk to lose more value. iii) The Covert Cyno ship still needs to decloak before it can activate it's Covert Cynosural field. iv) The Covert Cyno field cannot be detected, but the uncloaked Covert Ship can be detected as would the Rookie Ship Cyno ship. v) |It is even easier to detect a Decloaked Covert Ship than a Rookie Ship since it can be a more valuable target.
Cidanel Afuran wrote:Pontryvel Crendraven wrote: No time to reply until after 6 AM tomorrow.
But I will add this: I simply didn't published the offer to compete against or for other services including JF or Blockade Runner Covert Jump ability.
You are trying to start a freight service. That means you ARE competing against existing JF/BR freight services, whether you intend to or not. Let me put it this way. Pontryvel, contract me 1 bil worth of ships in game today, and I promise I will give them back to you tomorrow. Would you take me up on that? I swear I will give them back.
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Careby
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:49:32 -
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Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:... 4. I have never fallen asleep ...
I think that explains everything.
Sarcasm is OP
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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:59:33 -
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Careby wrote:Pontryvel Crendraven wrote:... 4. I have never fallen asleep ... I think that explains everything. I have never fallen asleep while on Blockade Run. It is not complicated to misinterpret me. It is easy to see how I am being misinterpreted.
Either way, seems there will be a lots of wars, so, the offer might become even more valid or worthwhile later. |
Darley Ciel
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
0
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:33:36 -
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Clearly one of the best threads on MD in forever.
Who is the OP???
ESL speaker who is actually a genius and just can't get his point across 5% - Chance
ESL speaker who is as stupid as he sounds 15% - Chance
Native english speaker, doing an amazing job a impersonating a mentally ******** ESL speaker while trolling MD 80% (I started out a like 10% through page one - this guy is amazing)
Someone should hire this guy to set up robocalls. You would never be able to tell if you were talking to a real person or not.
-DC |
Darley Ciel
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerates
0
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:34:24 -
[49] - Quote
double post |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6170
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:18:55 -
[50] - Quote
Thread has been moved to Sell Orders.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Pontryvel Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.07.17 17:35:46 -
[51] - Quote
1st, ty for the move.
Darley Ciel wrote:Clearly one of the best threads on MD in forever. ... + Make that Sell Orders as well?
(Quite diverting... Also, my system takes me over one hour as it is a rather unforgiving hardware system.)
I also don't have or offer any sell orders at this time.
I could use this thread to post sell orders.
I didn't intend to sell Black Ops ships or Blockade Runner ships although that may be an option.
The Original post clearly was about market discussion about offers to use Jump Bridge from Black Ops to haul items with Blockade Runners and Covert Fleets.
Good thing I registered a copyright for $55 with an English speaking government before posting is this EVE Online forum. |
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