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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:49:00 -
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I've never looked at it that way, but i guess you're right.
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Crucifier
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:50:00 -
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NOT
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:13:00 -
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Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
Quote: Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
No offense but that is a load of crap.
If you have a 45 man fleet (hell make it 60) whose average SP is 10 mill or under going up against a 30 man group whose average SP is 15-20+ mill those SPs make a huge difference.
The undersized but highly skilled point characters could be a fully fitted HAC/Command Ship/Tech 2 BS gang because their skill points allow them access. The larger but under skilled gang has little choice in how it fits out against such ships. Tech 1 cruisers, tech 1 under fitted BSs etc..etc.
The smaller gang could shred the larger to pieces and could do it without using much in the way of tactics at all. Just toe to toe nearly insta poping the lesser skill pointed opponents.
Skill Points don't make FCs better and yes tactics plus game mechanics understanding is important to EvE PVP but Skill Points have a significant impact on EvE PVP.
Do you think 60vs60 is the most common pvp in eve?
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
Quote: Do you think 60vs60 is the most common pvp in eve?
In terms of this thread and it having to do with BOB and ASCN? Not most common but very common, yes.
Crucifier, how often do you skip the Vaga and go for a tech 1 fitted Stabber or Rupture to do your ganking?
I mean, since skill points don't matter, wouldn't you be just as successful in a tech 1 cruiser fighting in the same low tech ships and fittings many of your under skill point opponents engage you in?
Skillpoints don't matter, ships do, and you do not need alot of skillpoints to be a good vagabond pilot if you specialize.
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Crucifier on 29/11/2006 20:26:32
Originally by: Frater Perdurabo Bob certainly are the best as playing to win and taking it very seriously...
Im afraid that is so very wrong, they are lucky if they have the third place.
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
I think you made a big generalization there, and wrong one as well..
It has absolutly nothing to do with cheap hacs or whatever, but it has everything to do with alliance working togehter, and people willing to take T2 ships, and even faction BS, regardless of their cost.
Most players in eve would hesitate, either because of greed, or they dont believe in the common goal.
I think this is exactly the problem of ASCN - people are too selfish. The 3,000 miner alts dont give a ****, because they would just apply to another corp in rich region, and they would be wanted as highly skilled miners anyway.
And of course there is the FCing issue everyone already mentioned many times, so no point mentioning that.
All of that said, I am impressed their alliance numbers still hold at about 4,200.
Any bets when it goes below 4k?
Yeah i know i made a generalization but I agree 100% that ascn consists of people who think of nothing but themselves and their wallet, but i would like to believe alot of people who join but are NOT doing it for teamwork, most people don't join for the hacs either i know. I believe they are joining to be "the best" without having to work for it, to kill and claim they are the best without having to worry about things other alliances do.
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven
Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 29/11/2006 20:26:32 I believe they are joining to be "the best" without having to work for it, to kill and claim they are the best without having to worry about things other alliances do.
First and foremost, dont make comments you cant back up.
You have no knowledge about how the Bob structure works, thus you have no ability to back this statement up.
Joining Bob is hard.
You either have to have a referral (i.e. known someone in bob long enough that can vouche for your character and your ability to kick ass)
or second prove that you can kick ass by constantly fighting us.
Further once you join if you dont measure up and meet your corp responsibilities your are booted. Simple is that.
It takes work to join, and to stay. I suggest you stop commenting on this issue without further proof to back up your theory.
You are misunderstanding . Joining bob is harder than most other alliances&corps (not that hard tho really). And sure you need to work for beeing able to stay in bob, but the "work" consists of killing and participating in pvp ops, that isn't hard. Whats hard is fighting for your alliance's survival.
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: KSUDruid When I was a junior in Highschool, I was on the wrestling team. We were pretty bad-ass dudes. I remember we challenged the basketball team to a game of basketball. We won. Our basketball team really sucked though and our wrestling team were 2 time defending state champions. I'm not sure the relevance of this story, but I wanted to participate somehow in this thread.
It's very relevant. wrestling = fighting, wrestling team = bob, basketball = industry, basketball team = ASCN.
zomg, you should be like a teacher or something!
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Crucifier on 30/11/2006 16:22:27
Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Dont make me have to paste the chat logs of you wanting to join BoB.
Also BoB is on FUN mode, not easy mode.
Thats because i was gonna rip all the hacs of you.
**** did i just type that out loud
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Life in bob is not easy : we are in a permanent war situation with major ops almost every day. Taking "easy life" while others are on the front line is not well seen and will make you kicked quickly. I'm not very active, but every time i log in i help as much as i can in every possible way. I could have bought myself a nice navy apoc with officer stuff, but i bought a dreadnaught and a carrier instead. And if cant put them on the frontline i'll let someone else use them or use my account. I live as a part of my alliance not as an individual pilot.
The "new" ones who kept their place in BoB earned it and doesnt deserve disrespect. They probably did more than me.
You think i perceive npcing and mining as easy? Thats the hardest part, pvping without worries is the easy part mate.
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hellraiza666
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
Originally by: Crucifier Hmm, I agree completely that skillpoints have really little to do with pvp in eve.
And evelyn I believe i was the one that came up with joining bob is playing eve on easy mode . It wasn't easy to build bob, but ppl who join bob now are ppl who are looking for easy life with cheap hacs and not having to do anything. A more fitting word would be WANNABES, i respect the old members but ppl who join and think they become good just by joining bob are ghay.
Life in bob is not easy : we are in a permanent war situation with major ops almost every day. Taking "easy life" while others are on the front line is not well seen and will make you kicked quickly. I'm not very active, but every time i log in i help as much as i can in every possible way. I could have bought myself a nice navy apoc with officer stuff, but i bought a dreadnaught and a carrier instead. And if cant put them on the frontline i'll let someone else use them or use my account. I live as a part of my alliance not as an individual pilot.
The "new" ones who kept their place in BoB earned it and doesnt deserve disrespect. They probably did more than me.
You think i perceive npcing and mining as easy? Thats the hardest part, pvping without worries is the easy part mate.
Therefore, you pvp on easy mode, i mean with the stabs riight?
Lets see, I go solo against 20man gangs. You go 20 against 1. Who's the one playing easy.
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Crucifier
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Posted - 2006.12.01 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Exe
Does having a high number of SP help all other things being equal? Yes.
You should be a teacher or something.
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