How is it "not nice" to shoot someone in a game where you shoot people? Regardless of age? I will never understand that.

dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players in the game and poor NPE and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. Go gank someone who at least knows what an afterburner is, for christ sake.

Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen.

As IGÇÖm lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.

A few minutes later, I couldnGÇÖt believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?

My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)

Are you even reading what I said?

I am 100% in favor of ganking new players. I said give them a day or two, not don't ever kill a newbie. Christ...



Reading is hard, isn't it? Give a newbie 24 hours to get through the career missions. Yep. I'm destroying the game by saying that.

10/10, great post Mo! You can read gud.

Now go back to the noble work of padding your KB with mindless, easy kills like the bear that high sec gankers are.

You don't PvP much do you..I cba to look up your kb...if you did, you'd know checking a chars age on grid is not only not feasible, but just plain stupid with a hot target on grid.

Perhaps you should start a thread asking CCP to make it so noobs can't leave starter systems until the tutorial missions are completed..or for a period of time...with that being said, the "features and Ideas" threads are that way >>>.

Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?

Things.

Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?

Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.

I'm not quoting all that allow me to just retort here briefly instead

1. Marlin did in fact help the newbro out and taught a valuable lesson in warping gate to gate via convo in case you need it all spelt out.
2. It was a noob ship... The lesson learnt could have been in a domi in 3 weeks time if we didn't do it now. This is one more reason shooting them while new is important
3. I was killed in my first month of playing (not my first month after making the account I wasn't wrapped enough with the game in my first week to pay but got convinced later)
4. I was invited to about a dozen corps in local and 2 via mail/convo. I ignored them all as joining some random group for no reason seemed pointless until somebody suggested apping to eve uni which I looked up and it seemed decent with little tax)
6. TLDR on video is that killing newbros is good for retention
7. I do hang out in rookie chat
8. At one month I was ready to quit eve it was only then that I was killed by a wardeccer in my then itty 2 carrying all that I owned -3 ships and thus swore bloody revenge on wardeccers (which I achieved). It got me involved in the game in a way that missions and training skills never could have.

In summary killing new players and helping them out after is Good for the game

I'm not missing that. I'm just personally nicer to one day old newbies than some people, apparently.

If I see an easy kill, I personally usually pass it up. What fun is it to shoot something that can't shoot back?

Just my opinion. I never said the game should change in any way, it's just how I play. You keep pushing ganking miners, I will keep pushing not shooting someone (miners/day old newbies) who can't push back.

That's the beauty of a sandbox, there isn't a right/wrong. Believe it or not, we are all allowed to *gasp* have our own opinions!

Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?

Having zkillboard open in the in-game browser and typing in their name takes about one and a half seconds. Do you PvP much?

Empty quoting because I am not interested in a 17 page conversation. You ignored the quote I gave by GM Homonoia.

"Again, spirit of the rule, not the letter. If you find yourself trying to figure out specifically where we draw the line you are obviously targeting rookies, which is NOT allowed. You decide to do this, you will find out where the line is when we warn you."

What, exactly do you think the GM meant by that?

Focus on "the spirit of the rule, not the letter"

That was exactly my point.


I do try to help as much as I can, but when a corp recruiter sits in a newbie system sending out convos with corp invites to two hour old players, do we then blame the two hour old player, or the corp recruiter (who is at war) for abusing a newbie?

I think if someone can't handle getting ganked, they don't belong in EVE, but for the fourth time, give them a day or two to settle in. Where's the line between teaching a rookie a trial by fire and just being an as*hole?

The Ruling is in regards to Rookie Systems and Following From Rookie Systems. They do not get a free ride at being un-shootable while at war. it applies to ganking, theft, tricking, scamming, etc. When they are not in the rookie systems or traveling between, the ruling does not apply. This is what I see as the context.

The Ruling is in regards to Rookie Systems and Following From Rookie Systems. They do not get a free ride at being un-shootable while at war. it applies to ganking, theft, tricking, scamming, etc. When they are not in the rookie systems or traveling between, the ruling does not apply. This is what I see as the context.