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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4081
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:26:13 -
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Aerasia wrote:Chribba wrote:However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle They could make the SKINs $0.01, and I still wouldn't buy them. Don't get me wrong - I like the idea. Sarum makes me Iron Man in space, it's great. The Police and Quafe skins are as close as we get to "whimsy" in these skins. Even some of the 'goth-grim-dark' skins have a bit of appeal. The problem? I can't fly any of these damned ships. It doesn't matter how much I like the Maurader 4-pack of skins, because it'll be Thanksgiving before I can even sit in any of those. Works well if you have the SP to pick the hulls that have the skins you want I guess, (and probably why it's good for them to start with the T2 Frigs), but within my own personal bubble? Sadness. PS: Stop with Wiyrkomi, it's super boring. If you can't come up with a decent Caldari skin just go for Ishukone plz. PPS: Also, Minmatar ships are too full of holes to make skins perceivable. FFS you complain a lot.
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Hallvardr
72
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:30:30 -
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There is a saying in the stock market -> Pigs Get Fat, Hogs Get Slaughtered!
Like Chribba said ... I won't spend $15.00 on 1 skin but would spend $20.00 on a few skins. So ... what would you rather have for profit .. nothing or something. Personally, I'm the same way. I think it has something to do with perceived value. I don't perceive value in $15.00 for a single skin. But would go spend happy if they were $5/ea. spending much more than $15.00 usd.
There are two ways to make money in any market.
1) turn high numbers with a low profit margin. * this has the advantage of getting your product "into every home" and possibly a long term interest and notoriety. "household name" * disadvantage is that you have to have a sustainable (interest in) product. Once the interest wanes... its no longer going to be a money maker. Especially if it never "catches on"
2) turn low numbers but with a HIGH profit margin. * advantage, you get your money before people realize that your product is not all that, or they lose interest in it. * disadvantage is that you may very well choke yourself out of any money it your product never catches on.
There is a 3rd way .. but its fairly rare. That is HIGH numbers with HIGH profit levels. You have to have a really great product, marketing, and distribution method to succeed with this. |
Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:33:14 -
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GankYou wrote:If I'm not mistaken, most of the new (frigate) T2 SKINs are 740 Aurum, which puts them at 200 mil / 174 mil ISK-wise. Incursus Aliastra one is still 4,300.
CCP mentioned the fact that earlier skins would be special like that to give the people who got into the program early on would have that at the least, but for some reason I was under the impression they would be unbuyable instead of more expensive. It's still an advantage though.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32031
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:33:41 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Sarayu Wyvern wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c That's a fair point to make. Does anyone consider the idea that they wanted to go cheaper later on anyway? And did any one of you consider that if they made them cheaper NOW, a lot of people would be really angry about having the price lowered so early? Or is that one of these "tough luck" things which is fine because it only hits OTHERS anyway? The SKINs that were from the initial NES offering, whose prices locked in at 4,000 AUR ish... according to a dev blog, they were priced as a reward to early adopters. They're also one of the SKINs that Jennifer picked up for way below listed value. Basically, a lot of those early adopters turned out to be speculators who got tired of holding SKIN stock.
Outside of those, NES prices are free to do what they want without breaking promises. What I think would be amusing is if SKINs are initially priced at 700 AURish, and then discounted over time. But it could also be a good idea. I want to say it would put a stop to speculators, and limit the participation to players who want the SKIN asap.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8623
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:42:51 -
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I admire economics as much as big my PLEX stash is and amount of gametime added to acoount before this "OMG 800M ISK PLEX price" was a thing. Buy it when its cheap, and generally cheaper it will not be for sure in the future.
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The Golden Serpent
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:53:51 -
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I think everything about the skin system is fine, but I want a Khanid skin for the Tormentor. I can't afford more ships so wouldn't really use any other. Although I might pick up the banana boat Khanid skin if I train more into Logi. (Inquisitor)
I'm sure I will be buying lots in the future though as more get released! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3789
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:11:32 -
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Malcanis wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times.
We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Kallen Kozukie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:17:44 -
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Skin pricing needs to be adressed, 5 dollars is reasonable for the effort involved in creating them, they would sell faster, and we would all skip happily into the sunset. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
191
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:28:40 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Sarayu Wyvern wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c That's a fair point to make. Does anyone consider the idea that they wanted to go cheaper later on anyway? And did any one of you consider that if they made them cheaper NOW, a lot of people would be really angry about having the price lowered so early? Or is that one of these "tough luck" things which is fine because it only hits OTHERS anyway?
It would depend on which skins you are talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall seeing Quafe skins for Tristan, Vexor or Dominix in NES, so they should retain their relative rarity and value.
Now as for the Syndicate skins, I'd quite like to have several of my ships with them, but realistically, probably only the Dominix and Ishkur ones will be bought. (I feel Amarr and Gallente got the best skins to date) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8739
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:33:35 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin.
Just to clear this up.
You are not paying for one skin. You are paying for unlimited skins.
It's not like if you get blown up you have to buy a new one, is it?
Would you rather the old way? Nice and cheap, but only one use? I'm guessing that would cost people who like skins and play the PVP part of the game a whole lot more than one unlimited licence.
No, CCP did it right this time. And the great thing is if you don't like it, you don't need to buy any. It's not going to matter in any way as to the actual gameplay. If you think it's too expensive, talk with your wallet. If you want one, take a few days off Starbucks coffee and go to Tim Horten's.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
113
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Posted - 2015.07.08 23:06:41 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times. We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions. Have any of you considered that CCP might want these SKINS to retain a level of rarity. If CCP reduces the price to $5 then everyone is going to be flying around in a skinned ship.
It seems obvious to me that CCP want skins should retain some level of rarity, whether that be through the initial plan of making them destructible which I would have preferred, or through the current method of high pricing but only having a one off cost.
Edit - and Chribba, I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for you as you can just purchase every skin off the market with ISK *chuckles* |
Reislier
108
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Posted - 2015.07.09 02:10:37 -
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I think it is the perception of value. As much as I would like one for my Astero and Stratios.. I will not commit that much isk to a trivial cosmetic which could be spent on my in game business... and certainly not real cash. I really do not care how they price these things but I dismissed the idea when I saw pricing.
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Another Posting Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2015.07.09 04:17:36 -
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I don't have a problem with the price. If there were skins other than "dark green", "dark brown" and "dark grey" for the ships I actually fly I would buy them. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
137
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Posted - 2015.07.09 04:28:05 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
Very much this, i wouldn't object to paying that for a skin but there is no way in hell i'm paying more for a skin than i would spend on nearly 2 months of game time, sure i could buy it for ISK but because their prices are so linked to current PLEX prices because of the value of aurum its really not worth it for me, i'll buy the odd frigate skin for 20mil on the market but thats about as far as i'll be going |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
415
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Posted - 2015.07.09 04:32:29 -
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I think that they are high, but high in the short term to promote rarity and must have shopping from the customers that do so. I think that as time rolls on CCP will market more and more of them at cheaper costs on a sliding curve to maximize profits. Getting more and more product out there and lower costs to insure that more people buy them until market saturation. But by keeping some products expensive they are simply creating a value attached to the skins product. That of rarity through price. Its kinda a round about way of doing so but it might work.
That being said I dont think CCP is stupid in that regard but yeah greed is good and they are into making money thats for sure. I just wish that they didnt sell crap skins at high prices. I love the Serenity skins way more style wise than these "correct" faction skins. And have yet to be really amazed or had any impulsive "OOOH SHINY!! I WANTS DAT!!" moments over any of the skins. Sure some look decent but thats about it imo. But then in real life Im not an impulse shopper or a 'must haver' anyway.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32035
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:25:35 -
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I have had the ISK, PLEX, AUR, and SKIN relationship explained to me.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1025
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:41:15 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c +1 to Chribba.
Same for me.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1273
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:47:09 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8743
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:11:28 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left
Quafe is not an acronym. It's a noun. Please edit your post to reflect this.
Mr Epeen
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
784
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:12:14 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times. We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions. Have any of you considered that CCP might want these SKINS to retain a level of rarity. If CCP reduces the price to $5 then everyone is going to be flying around in a skinned ship. It seems obvious to me that CCP want skins should retain some level of rarity, whether that be through the initial plan of making them destructible which I would have preferred, or through the current method of high pricing but only having a one off cost. Edit - and Chribba, I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for you as you can just purchase every skin off the market with ISK *chuckles* That's logical, but unlikely. People who use skins want to see their ships, so they play zoomed in, which means they only ever see their own ship anyway. Most PvErs will play zoomed in, because they don't need to skill "Situational Awareness" at all.
You only ever come across lots of other ships when you travel with AP on main routes, or at stations with high docking frequency and that's not that many.
But besides these is it simply extremely unlikely and illogical for CCP not to want as many people as possible to buy the skins. Most likely did they determine the prices by looking at "data", which told them some sort of optimum to go for, with the possibility of several thousands of people suffering from collateral damqge.
Finally! Temperature dropped considerably and it's raining! I run outside cheering life itself, only wearing a tanktop and panties... and as the falling rain caresses my skin, I hear thunder announce the coming storm. Romantic times ahead...
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:30:36 -
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These prices are identical to any number of similar items in MMOS and MOBA with similar effects - LoL, WoW, DOTA and Elite Dangerous being the ones that immediately spring to mind. As with those games, not all skins in EVE are -ú15, there are cheaper and more expensive skins. UNLIKE these other games it is possible in EVE to never pay a penny and get the skins with in game money. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32039
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Posted - 2015.07.09 23:08:40 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left Quafe is not an acronym. It's a noun. Please edit your post to reflect this. Mr Epeen I can RELATE. Sometimes I get confused ABOUT what should be capitalized. Sometimes I am tempted TO put periods within A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S.
PLEX, AUR, ISK, SKINs, Scorpions Ishukone Watch.
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
289
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:37:34 -
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Still can't buy skin that turn the Sleipnir back to its old glory. :(
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11720
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:48:34 -
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I'm somewhat saddend by CCPs actions when it comes to skins. At 1st I was like "who cares about cosmetic junk" but then I saw a freaking GOLD MACHARIEL next to me in an Incursion fleet during the 'bug' and i was instantly hooked. I wanted one, I would have paid actual money right then for one. I was surprised by my own reaction, but damn it, i still want one lol.
I'd bet the real life money I was ready to spend that CCP has (not just now, but over the course of it's history) missed out on a lot of revenue because of getting micro transactions and vanity items wrong time and time again. |
Renegade Heart
Micro N2
430
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:21:47 -
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Agree with Chribba. $5 is more of a microtransaction than $15. Clearly from responses in this thread, many wouldn't even classify $15 as a microtransaction in the first place.
Initially, calling it the Noble Exchange, I think it's clear CCP were targetting richer players, for vanity items. It was no mass market thing.
Now they are rebranding and tweaking it all, to appeal to wider audience I guess, but I think CCP forgot what microtransactions are supposed to be! |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:37:38 -
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One of the first items CCP released was a $60 monocle. Lets not fool ourselves into thinking that SKINS are the first high price item they've done. At the end of the day you don't HAVE to buy these items, or if you do you don't even need to spend REAL money on them. Buy them with ISK in game.
Also I love the fact that people are flinging around the $15 value, when that is the price of a small selection of the skins, and not the base price for them all. Most of them are MUCH cheaper than this. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
422
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Posted - 2015.07.10 15:21:43 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote: That's logical, but unlikely. People who use skins want to see their ships, so they play zoomed in, which means they only ever see their own ship anyway. Most PvErs will play zoomed in, because they don't need to skill "Situational Awareness" at all.
Or they could train D-Scan and zooming in and out! |
Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
27
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:35:14 -
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CCP went full ****** from day one with pricing in the NEX store. Their stupid is exacerbated by nobody else ever seeing your cosmetic items. Very few people will ever see your ship skin or the clothes on your toon, so it's basically all for yourself. The advantage that games like WoW and GW2 have is that most cosmetics things you buy are actually seen by pretty much everyone you interact with, and they're STILL cheaper than the BS we have here. $60 for a ******* monocle? Part of me still wishes CCP went out of business for that level of stupidity. |
Alek Row
Silent Step
46
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:05:50 -
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I find the current Minmatar skins very disappointing but if they were cheap I would buy a few to change the ship skin from time to time. Unfortunately CCP decided to go with macro transactions instead of micro.
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Knights Armament
State Protectorate Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:15:50 -
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Lets look at the facts.
CCP needs more money, because game development costs millions. You need advertising money, bribe money, MMA lessons, whatever else it costs to run a company, you think that stuff comes cheap?
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