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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
287
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:08:45 -
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Alright, lets try to put the final nail in the ranting about skin prices.
1) The SKINS system was created by CCP as an extra source of revenue.
-It is in no way skummy or unfair for CCP, as a company, to want to make more money. More money equals more projects, more projects equals more products, more products equals more consumers, and that's how business works.
2) The SKINs system was created to be an isk sink.
-Currently, there is a surplus of isk faucets in the game. As we've seen with the price of everything going up, especially PLEX. Right now, the isk is getting devalued because people are making it and hording it faster than the game can get rid of it.
3) The SKINs you buy are one-time purchases.
-Unless you chose to purchase the skin for another character, or to do market pvp with later, you only ever would have a reason to purchase only one skin. There is NO WAY for you to lose the skin once you activate it.
4) The SKINs you buy are infinite.
-Once you have a SKIN, you can apply it to an INFINITE amount of the ships that it is applicable to. On top of that, you can apply it on the fly; no need to dock, no need to switch to a different ship, no need to change the fitting in the slightest. Practically instant application.
5) There is a surplus of many of the early SKINS in the game.
-NOH Rokh skins are approximated at 800 milion isk for the AUR you would spend on them. I don't remember the Merlin and Caracal, but they're about the same. Ludicras you might say, that anyone would pay 800 million isk for a frigate skin, or about $20 US cash. Except that there are literally thousands if not millions stockpiled already, and that surplus is going ot take a long time to eat through. I bought a supposedly 800 million isk Rokh skin for about 60 million because the supply is MUCH greater than the demand.
6) There are lots of ways to make absurd amounts of isk.
- A corpmate of mine lost his 2 billion isk pod, and about 4 days later, from doing Incursions, made it back. This has happened multiple times. Another friend of mine plays the market pvp game and makes billions and billions of isk a week, which he uses to fund his alliance. Yet another person I know can plex enough FW LP in a day to cash in two Navy Issue battelships, and that's on a day he only has ONE alt active.
7) SKINs are entierly cosmetic.
- They do not affect the game in the slightest, stats wise. Therefor, this is not a case of pay to win, it's pay to look different. And you are by no means required to purchase any of these to get any kind of advantage.
To sum it all up: The prices for SKINS is approximately what the market can sustain currently. Coupled with the high number of isk in the market, the unlimited nature of the SKINs, the inability to lose them, the surplus already on the market, the surplus of ISK people have, the availability of methods to make ISK, and the one-time buy nature of the SKIN licences, in the end, the prices are about what we should expect them to be. Maybe some of the really new ones are a bit expensive, since there is no surplus on the market currently, but that's a different problem.
Just because you can't afford every SKIN you like, and just because you have to make a decision between the SKIN you like and that shiny new Macharial that you'll lose on undock playing station games like an idiot, doesn't mean that it is unfairly priced. Hell, CCP is, as far as I know, the only developer who has made in-game cosmetic items not only purchasable by in-game money, but also SELLABLE for in-game money.
As someone who's read half of a book on economics, my arguments are obviously incredibly well-reasoned and should have changed your mind by now and you should send me isk as appreciation for opening your eyes to the truth. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
14558
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:11:20 -
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I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
737
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:14:26 -
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How is something I buy from another capsuleer an isk sink?
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
287
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:20:44 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
The thing is, practically, there's no real reason to buy four. Say you've got four alts, and you want to skin them. And say it's $5 a pop. So you buy all 4 the skins, and apply them.
Now they're all skinned. But, what do you do with the alts? Do you fly them? Constantly? In the ships you would have the skin for? Are you zoomed in far enough to even care what the skin looks like? Are you concentrating on one client enough to appreciate the skin? If you have one of the ships skinned, and see your alt in the same ship thats not skinned the same, is it really that imperative that you skin that ship to look like your main?
While it's probably not intentional, CCP has actually made impulse buying harder by raising the prices to the point where it would hurt to spend less money in one lump than it would to spend more money divided out for something that is entirely cosmetic. It's easy to rationalize away $5, but harder to do so for $15 (if you have an avarage person's job, anyways). In this way, there's less buyer's remorse, because you only lose out on skinning 3 of your alts but still have more money than if you went the other option.
Though yeah, I kinda agree, they're a little bit expensive. Just a little. Tiny bit. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
288
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:27:48 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:How is something I buy from another capsuleer an isk sink?
Actually you've got a point there. Besides the taxes, which on a one-time buy item is paultry, then it's just moving isk around inside the market instead of taking isk out of the market. Nice catch. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
752
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:43:53 -
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If I'm not mistaken, all of the new T2 SKINs are 740 Aurum, which puts them at 200 mil / 174 mil ISK-wise.
Incursus Aliastra one is still 4,300. 
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32027
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:44:06 -
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It's a sink when players convert a PLEX to get the AUR, and then the item is consumed... effectively destroyed.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3789
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:45:24 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
Ditto. I've bought exactly one SKIN, with AUR I bought before the new packages were released. I can't convince myself to pay more for a SKIN than for a month of subscription.
And be noted, I still think CCP missed the boat in making players pay a little ISK for applying a SKIN to a individual ship. That would have allowed flat-rate SKINs and would provide a modest ISK sink, and it would make more sense than magically painting ships for free as often and as many times as we please. 
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
288
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:48:46 -
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Rain6637 wrote:It's a sink when players convert a PLEX to get the AUR, and then the item is consumed... effectively destroyed.
No, cause it's still trading real-world money for an in-game item. X player bought it with RL money, sold it to Y player for isk. Whether player Y uses it for account time, or for AUR, the money he paid for it is still technically in the game, and the money player X paid for it is still outside the game.
I had to think about that for few seconds too. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32027
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:53:16 -
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Other NEX (NES? I forget) items like clothing, which are not consumed when applied to the character, are not sinks. Consumables like SKINs, resculpts, and dual character training certificates are. You are aware of the possibility of SKIN supplies diminishing, and you can buy them for ISK -> PLEX -> AUR, so I don't get the confusion.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:07:42 -
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People take issue with the silly prices for something purely cosmetic. I'll draw the comparison to TF2 again. They have cosmetic items as well that you can never lose after purchase. Yet when they cost 5 dollars, you're already talking expensive. So why is it that CCP demands that an ingame item needs to cost a month worth of subscription time? It's completely out of proportion and no casual EVE player is gonna be able to justify a 15 dollar cosmetic item. I'd like to know what that exact price point came from and why CCP thought it was a good idea. Because I don't see it.
Also what ever happened to the time limited SKIN's. Was that idea dropped because CCP figured those would probably be favored over their hideously expensive permanent ones?
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3476
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:10:28 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:How is something I buy from another capsuleer an isk sink?
Taxes and broker fees.
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
This is a valid point. CCP's current pricing structure may not be resulting in the maximum revenue for CCP.
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Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:27:12 -
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Chribba wrote:However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle They could make the SKINs $0.01, and I still wouldn't buy them.
Don't get me wrong - I like the idea. Sarum makes me Iron Man in space, it's great. The Police and Quafe skins are as close as we get to "whimsy" in these skins. Even some of the 'goth-grim-dark' skins have a bit of appeal.
The problem?
I can't fly any of these damned ships. It doesn't matter how much I like the Maurader 4-pack of skins, because it'll be Thanksgiving before I can even sit in any of those. Works well if you have the SP to pick the hulls that have the skins you want I guess, (and probably why it's good for them to start with the T2 Frigs), but within my own personal bubble? Sadness.
PS: Stop with Wiyrkomi, it's super boring. If you can't come up with a decent Caldari skin just go for Ishukone plz.
PPS: Also, Minmatar ships are too full of holes to make skins perceivable. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
742
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:38:57 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Other NEX (NES? I forget) items like clothing, which are not consumed when applied to the character, are not sinks. Consumables like SKINs, resculpts, and dual character training certificates are. You are aware of the possibility of SKIN supplies diminishing, and you can buy them for ISK -> PLEX -> AUR, so I don't get the confusion.
A sink for PLEX, not ISK.
And to the other guy: You fail to understand. Taxes apply to everything, but that doesn't make buying a specific item an isksink PER SE.
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X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
860
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:47:19 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
Pretty much this.
And, Blizzard is making the same mistake with their hero portraits for hearthstone. I'd buy them all at $5. I'm buying none at the $10 they are priced at.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
14564
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:11:36 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c The thing is, practically, there's no real reason to buy four. Say you've got four alts, and you want to skin them. And say it's $5 a pop. So you buy all 4 the skins, and apply them. Now they're all skinned. But, what do you do with the alts? Do you fly them? Constantly? In the ships you would have the skin for? Are you zoomed in far enough to even care what the skin looks like? Are you concentrating on one client enough to appreciate the skin? If you have one of the ships skinned, and see your alt in the same ship thats not skinned the same, is it really that imperative that you skin that ship to look like your main? While it's probably not intentional, CCP has actually made impulse buying harder by raising the prices to the point where it would hurt to spend less money in one lump than it would to spend more money divided out for something that is entirely cosmetic. It's easy to rationalize away $5, but harder to do so for $15 (if you have an avarage person's job, anyways). In this way, there's less buyer's remorse, because you only lose out on skinning 3 of your alts but still have more money than if you went the other option. Though yeah, I kinda agree, they're a little bit expensive. Just a little. Tiny bit.
When I said four, I was thinking about four different skins however. Four different ships, just because they look neat, instead of one expensive one.
The reason I say that I probably would have bought 4 is the same reason I've bought random apps for the phone, because they cost jack per app, I wouldn't buy an app for the phone that costs $10 (unless it's really really good and I need it), but I am pretty sure I've spent more than $10 on "useless" apps that I don't really need simply because they cost $1 and I can justify spending $1 on a useless app, but not so much $10
Which is exactly how microtransactions fool us haha, but when it comes to the SKIN prices, they no longer feel "micro" and hence getting hard to justify (for me).
/c
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Sylveria Relden
87
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:14:58 -
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Businesses set the "cost" of an item, but not the "value" of the item- the value is introduced when the product is introduced.
The only determining factor in "value" is the availability of a resource- if it's infinite, the value is diminished. When a resource is finite, it becomes more valuable simply because not everyone can necessarily attain it.
Prices are reflective of "value", not "cost". Cost is determined based on value, not the other way around.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10644
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:25:46 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
Exactly my thoughts an it.
There's plenty I would like but they're obnoxiously priced for what they are.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
371
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:37:57 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
Wait untill they will add AUR for logging in daily in EVE. This moment will come.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
753
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:00:45 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c Wait untill they will add AUR for logging in daily in EVE. This moment will come.
An entirely sensible model - SWTOR has it for subscribers only.
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
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Sarayu Wyvern
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:29:30 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
That's a fair point to make.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
748
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:41:37 -
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Sarayu Wyvern wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c That's a fair point to make.
Does anyone consider the idea that they wanted to go cheaper later on anyway? And did any one of you consider that if they made them cheaper NOW, a lot of people would be really angry about having the price lowered so early? Or is that one of these "tough luck" things which is fine because it only hits OTHERS anyway?
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
910
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:42:10 -
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800 mill Macha fit or 800 mill skin
They are both in game items.
Only thing is that skin is what devalue eve for me because that skin have an artificial value set as much as faction battleships... race to the bottom.
And guess what it will not bring enough income in because it is useless junk same as CQ is there is not game play behind it just a money grab.
After many petitions to remove aur garbage from my account I finally burned it all on skin bug and i lost skins and aur can't be happier with the outcome.
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
296
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:06:14 -
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Fine, but I still didn't like it when my Comet lost its Police Beanie and skin when it was first taken away...only to see it come back as a "Yeah, we took it from you but now you can buy it back" situation.
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Erin Crawford
477
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:37:43 -
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Chribba wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c The thing is, practically, there's no real reason to buy four. Say you've got four alts, and you want to skin them. And say it's $5 a pop. So you buy all 4 the skins, and apply them. Now they're all skinned. But, what do you do with the alts? Do you fly them? Constantly? In the ships you would have the skin for? Are you zoomed in far enough to even care what the skin looks like? Are you concentrating on one client enough to appreciate the skin? If you have one of the ships skinned, and see your alt in the same ship thats not skinned the same, is it really that imperative that you skin that ship to look like your main? While it's probably not intentional, CCP has actually made impulse buying harder by raising the prices to the point where it would hurt to spend less money in one lump than it would to spend more money divided out for something that is entirely cosmetic. It's easy to rationalize away $5, but harder to do so for $15 (if you have an avarage person's job, anyways). In this way, there's less buyer's remorse, because you only lose out on skinning 3 of your alts but still have more money than if you went the other option. Though yeah, I kinda agree, they're a little bit expensive. Just a little. Tiny bit. When I said four, I was thinking about four different skins however. Four different ships, just because they look neat, instead of one expensive one. The reason I say that I probably would have bought 4 is the same reason I've bought random apps for the phone, because they cost jack per app, I wouldn't buy an app for the phone that costs $10 (unless it's really really good and I need it), but I am pretty sure I've spent more than $10 on "useless" apps that I don't really need simply because they cost $1 and I can justify spending $1 on a useless app, but not so much $10
Which is exactly how micro transactions fool us haha, but when it comes to the SKIN prices, they no longer feel "micro" and hence getting hard to justify (for me).... /c
Exactly! Couldn't agree more with you!
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
910
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:51:29 -
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Hiply Rustic wrote:Fine, but I still didn't like it when my Comet lost its Police Beanie and skin when it was first taken away...only to see it come back as a "Yeah, we took it from you but now you can buy it back" situation.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2310
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:08:19 -
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I've bought skins, spent about $100 on aur total, and only got like 7 skins (oracal which i kept, mack which i incorrectly bought and sold at a loss, the four 5 murader skins, 2 of which i gave away and one i kept.)
A bit miffed on the price, but i liked a few of the designs. I would buy more if the price came down (i need a golem skin and a justice cheeta skin) But i can;t justify the price, and having already spent $100, cant seem to make myself want to get more (i'd rather buy another box of EVE CCG boosters, or a ship model off ebay truth be told) CCP its time to review your pricing and adjust it.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32031
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:10:12 -
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This latest batch of T2 SKINs, while cool, makes me think SKINs are about to water themselves down, which is really bad when they cost 1/5 of a plex.
But their cost is a little more than 1/5 PLEX, which means you can only get 4 per PLEX and have some AUR left over, unless you purchase AUR for money and get the bonus amounts. Fairly obvious play at promoting AUR purchases for money, in a painful way.
Perhaps point #2 should be adjusted to become valid, rather than removed. SKINs were meant to be a sink. Otherwise, like what has happened with clothing, they would drive their own market prices down as they were purchased / created.
And I wonder how much extra pressure on PLEX comes from SKINs. I guess I was so adamant about the sink thing based on the idea that SKINs are causing some pressure on PLEX.
I can appreciate the work that goes into SKINs enough to participate. I'm happy that T2 ships have SKINs. Like others have said, I would have different spending habits on SKINs if I felt I was getting a better deal.
Just to be thorough with that opinion, to place an AUR figure on it I would say.. if I could get the subcap Wiyrkomi SKINs for $20 I would spring for them, and I don't even like the look of Wiyrkomi.
I have a station container of SKINs that the client tells me is worth 32 Billion ISK. So I mean, I believe in SKINs. I'd like for them to be more popular. I think they would be, if prices weren't a cause for resentment.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
756
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:17:14 -
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Hiply Rustic wrote:Fine, but I still didn't like it when my Comet lost its Police Beanie and skin when it was first taken away...only to see it come back as a "Yeah, we took it from you but now you can buy it back" situation. That IS ****** up...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16663
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:24:32 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4081
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:26:13 -
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Aerasia wrote:Chribba wrote:However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle They could make the SKINs $0.01, and I still wouldn't buy them. Don't get me wrong - I like the idea. Sarum makes me Iron Man in space, it's great. The Police and Quafe skins are as close as we get to "whimsy" in these skins. Even some of the 'goth-grim-dark' skins have a bit of appeal. The problem? I can't fly any of these damned ships. It doesn't matter how much I like the Maurader 4-pack of skins, because it'll be Thanksgiving before I can even sit in any of those. Works well if you have the SP to pick the hulls that have the skins you want I guess, (and probably why it's good for them to start with the T2 Frigs), but within my own personal bubble? Sadness. PS: Stop with Wiyrkomi, it's super boring. If you can't come up with a decent Caldari skin just go for Ishukone plz. PPS: Also, Minmatar ships are too full of holes to make skins perceivable.
FFS you complain a lot.
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Hallvardr
72
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:30:30 -
[32] - Quote
There is a saying in the stock market -> Pigs Get Fat, Hogs Get Slaughtered!
Like Chribba said ... I won't spend $15.00 on 1 skin but would spend $20.00 on a few skins. So ... what would you rather have for profit .. nothing or something.
Personally, I'm the same way. I think it has something to do with perceived value. I don't perceive value in $15.00 for a single skin. But would go spend happy if they were $5/ea. spending much more than $15.00 usd.
There are two ways to make money in any market.
1) turn high numbers with a low profit margin.
* this has the advantage of getting your product "into every home" and possibly a long term interest and notoriety. "household name"
* disadvantage is that you have to have a sustainable (interest in) product. Once the interest wanes... its no longer going to be a money maker. Especially if it never "catches on"
2) turn low numbers but with a HIGH profit margin.
* advantage, you get your money before people realize that your product is not all that, or they lose interest in it.
* disadvantage is that you may very well choke yourself out of any money it your product never catches on.
There is a 3rd way .. but its fairly rare. That is HIGH numbers with HIGH profit levels. You have to have a really great product, marketing, and distribution method to succeed with this. |
Hal Morsh
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:33:14 -
[33] - Quote
GankYou wrote:If I'm not mistaken, most of the new (frigate) T2 SKINs are 740 Aurum, which puts them at 200 mil / 174 mil ISK-wise. Incursus Aliastra one is still 4,300.
CCP mentioned the fact that earlier skins would be special like that to give the people who got into the program early on would have that at the least, but for some reason I was under the impression they would be unbuyable instead of more expensive. It's still an advantage though.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32031
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:33:41 -
[34] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Sarayu Wyvern wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c That's a fair point to make. Does anyone consider the idea that they wanted to go cheaper later on anyway? And did any one of you consider that if they made them cheaper NOW, a lot of people would be really angry about having the price lowered so early? Or is that one of these "tough luck" things which is fine because it only hits OTHERS anyway?
The SKINs that were from the initial NES offering, whose prices locked in at 4,000 AUR ish... according to a dev blog, they were priced as a reward to early adopters. They're also one of the SKINs that Jennifer picked up for way below listed value. Basically, a lot of those early adopters turned out to be speculators who got tired of holding SKIN stock.
Outside of those, NES prices are free to do what they want without breaking promises. What I think would be amusing is if SKINs are initially priced at 700 AURish, and then discounted over time. But it could also be a good idea. I want to say it would put a stop to speculators, and limit the participation to players who want the SKIN asap.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8623
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:42:51 -
[35] - Quote
I admire economics as much as big my PLEX stash is and amount of gametime added to acoount before this "OMG 800M ISK PLEX price" was a thing. Buy it when its cheap, and generally cheaper it will not be for sure in the future.
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The Golden Serpent
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:53:51 -
[36] - Quote
I think everything about the skin system is fine, but I want a Khanid skin for the Tormentor. I can't afford more ships so wouldn't really use any other. Although I might pick up the banana boat Khanid skin if I train more into Logi. (Inquisitor)
I'm sure I will be buying lots in the future though as more get released! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3789
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:11:32 -
[37] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times.
We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions. 
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Kallen Kozukie
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:17:44 -
[38] - Quote
Skin pricing needs to be adressed, 5 dollars is reasonable for the effort involved in creating them, they would sell faster, and we would all skip happily into the sunset. |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
191
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:28:40 -
[39] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Sarayu Wyvern wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c That's a fair point to make. Does anyone consider the idea that they wanted to go cheaper later on anyway? And did any one of you consider that if they made them cheaper NOW, a lot of people would be really angry about having the price lowered so early? Or is that one of these "tough luck" things which is fine because it only hits OTHERS anyway?
It would depend on which skins you are talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall seeing Quafe skins for Tristan, Vexor or Dominix in NES, so they should retain their relative rarity and value.
Now as for the Syndicate skins, I'd quite like to have several of my ships with them, but realistically, probably only the Dominix and Ishkur ones will be bought. (I feel Amarr and Gallente got the best skins to date) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8739
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:33:35 -
[40] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin.
Just to clear this up.
You are not paying for one skin. You are paying for unlimited skins.
It's not like if you get blown up you have to buy a new one, is it?
Would you rather the old way? Nice and cheap, but only one use? I'm guessing that would cost people who like skins and play the PVP part of the game a whole lot more than one unlimited licence.
No, CCP did it right this time. And the great thing is if you don't like it, you don't need to buy any. It's not going to matter in any way as to the actual gameplay. If you think it's too expensive, talk with your wallet. If you want one, take a few days off Starbucks coffee and go to Tim Horten's.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
113
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Posted - 2015.07.08 23:06:41 -
[41] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times. We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions.
Have any of you considered that CCP might want these SKINS to retain a level of rarity. If CCP reduces the price to $5 then everyone is going to be flying around in a skinned ship.
It seems obvious to me that CCP want skins should retain some level of rarity, whether that be through the initial plan of making them destructible which I would have preferred, or through the current method of high pricing but only having a one off cost.
Edit - and Chribba, I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for you as you can just purchase every skin off the market with ISK *chuckles* |
Reislier
108
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Posted - 2015.07.09 02:10:37 -
[42] - Quote
I think it is the perception of value. As much as I would like one for my Astero and Stratios.. I will not commit that much isk to a trivial cosmetic which could be spent on my in game business... and certainly not real cash. I really do not care how they price these things but I dismissed the idea when I saw pricing.
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Another Posting Alt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2015.07.09 04:17:36 -
[43] - Quote
I don't have a problem with the price.
If there were skins other than "dark green", "dark brown" and "dark grey" for the ships I actually fly I would buy them. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
137
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Posted - 2015.07.09 04:28:05 -
[44] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
Very much this, i wouldn't object to paying that for a skin but there is no way in hell i'm paying more for a skin than i would spend on nearly 2 months of game time, sure i could buy it for ISK but because their prices are so linked to current PLEX prices because of the value of aurum its really not worth it for me, i'll buy the odd frigate skin for 20mil on the market but thats about as far as i'll be going |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
415
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Posted - 2015.07.09 04:32:29 -
[45] - Quote
I think that they are high, but high in the short term to promote rarity and must have shopping from the customers that do so. I think that as time rolls on CCP will market more and more of them at cheaper costs on a sliding curve to maximize profits. Getting more and more product out there and lower costs to insure that more people buy them until market saturation. But by keeping some products expensive they are simply creating a value attached to the skins product. That of rarity through price. Its kinda a round about way of doing so but it might work.
That being said I dont think CCP is stupid in that regard but yeah greed is good and they are into making money thats for sure. I just wish that they didnt sell crap skins at high prices. I love the Serenity skins way more style wise than these "correct" faction skins. And have yet to be really amazed or had any impulsive "OOOH SHINY!! I WANTS DAT!!" moments over any of the skins. Sure some look decent but thats about it imo. But then in real life Im not an impulse shopper or a 'must haver' anyway.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32035
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:25:35 -
[46] - Quote
I have had the ISK, PLEX, AUR, and SKIN relationship explained to me.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1025
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:41:15 -
[47] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
+1 to Chribba.
Same for me.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1273
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:47:09 -
[48] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8743
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:11:28 -
[49] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left
Quafe is not an acronym. It's a noun. Please edit your post to reflect this.
Mr Epeen
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
784
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:12:14 -
[50] - Quote
Moac Tor wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c This exact message has been presented to CCP numerous times. We trust the CSM about it. Evidence is that CCP still hasn't listened, which is a 4 years (and counting) old tradition in EVE's not-so-micro-transactions. Have any of you considered that CCP might want these SKINS to retain a level of rarity. If CCP reduces the price to $5 then everyone is going to be flying around in a skinned ship. It seems obvious to me that CCP want skins should retain some level of rarity, whether that be through the initial plan of making them destructible which I would have preferred, or through the current method of high pricing but only having a one off cost. Edit - and Chribba, I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for you as you can just purchase every skin off the market with ISK *chuckles*
That's logical, but unlikely. People who use skins want to see their ships, so they play zoomed in, which means they only ever see their own ship anyway. Most PvErs will play zoomed in, because they don't need to skill "Situational Awareness" at all.
You only ever come across lots of other ships when you travel with AP on main routes, or at stations with high docking frequency and that's not that many.
But besides these is it simply extremely unlikely and illogical for CCP not to want as many people as possible to buy the skins. Most likely did they determine the prices by looking at "data", which told them some sort of optimum to go for, with the possibility of several thousands of people suffering from collateral damqge.
Finally! Temperature dropped considerably and it's raining! I run outside cheering life itself, only wearing a tanktop and panties... and as the falling rain caresses my skin, I hear thunder announce the coming storm. Romantic times ahead...
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:30:36 -
[51] - Quote
These prices are identical to any number of similar items in MMOS and MOBA with similar effects - LoL, WoW, DOTA and Elite Dangerous being the ones that immediately spring to mind. As with those games, not all skins in EVE are -ú15, there are cheaper and more expensive skins. UNLIKE these other games it is possible in EVE to never pay a penny and get the skins with in game money. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32039
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Posted - 2015.07.09 23:08:40 -
[52] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c I was excited for SKINS, till I saw the price. I did buy a QUAFE mega, and Rattlesnake Victory Edition, but I'm mostly over the whole SKINS thing now, not sure if I want to hold or sell the SKINs I have left Quafe is not an acronym. It's a noun. Please edit your post to reflect this. Mr Epeen
I can RELATE. Sometimes I get confused ABOUT what should be capitalized. Sometimes I am tempted TO put periods within A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S.
PLEX, AUR, ISK, SKINs, Scorpions Ishukone Watch.
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
289
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:37:34 -
[53] - Quote
Still can't buy skin that turn the Sleipnir back to its old glory. :(
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Once known as:
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11720
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:48:34 -
[54] - Quote
I'm somewhat saddend by CCPs actions when it comes to skins. At 1st I was like "who cares about cosmetic junk" but then I saw a freaking GOLD MACHARIEL next to me in an Incursion fleet during the 'bug' and i was instantly hooked. I wanted one, I would have paid actual money right then for one. I was surprised by my own reaction, but damn it, i still want one lol.
I'd bet the real life money I was ready to spend that CCP has (not just now, but over the course of it's history) missed out on a lot of revenue because of getting micro transactions and vanity items wrong time and time again. |
Renegade Heart
Micro N2
430
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:21:47 -
[55] - Quote
Agree with Chribba. $5 is more of a microtransaction than $15. Clearly from responses in this thread, many wouldn't even classify $15 as a microtransaction in the first place.
Initially, calling it the Noble Exchange, I think it's clear CCP were targetting richer players, for vanity items. It was no mass market thing.
Now they are rebranding and tweaking it all, to appeal to wider audience I guess, but I think CCP forgot what microtransactions are supposed to be! |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:37:38 -
[56] - Quote
One of the first items CCP released was a $60 monocle. Lets not fool ourselves into thinking that SKINS are the first high price item they've done. At the end of the day you don't HAVE to buy these items, or if you do you don't even need to spend REAL money on them. Buy them with ISK in game.
Also I love the fact that people are flinging around the $15 value, when that is the price of a small selection of the skins, and not the base price for them all. Most of them are MUCH cheaper than this. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
422
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Posted - 2015.07.10 15:21:43 -
[57] - Quote
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
That's logical, but unlikely. People who use skins want to see their ships, so they play zoomed in, which means they only ever see their own ship anyway. Most PvErs will play zoomed in, because they don't need to skill "Situational Awareness" at all.
Or they could train D-Scan and zooming in and out! |
Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
27
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:35:14 -
[58] - Quote
CCP went full ****** from day one with pricing in the NEX store. Their stupid is exacerbated by nobody else ever seeing your cosmetic items. Very few people will ever see your ship skin or the clothes on your toon, so it's basically all for yourself. The advantage that games like WoW and GW2 have is that most cosmetics things you buy are actually seen by pretty much everyone you interact with, and they're STILL cheaper than the BS we have here. $60 for a ******* monocle? Part of me still wishes CCP went out of business for that level of stupidity. |
Alek Row
Silent Step
46
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:05:50 -
[59] - Quote
I find the current Minmatar skins very disappointing but if they were cheap I would buy a few to change the ship skin from time to time. Unfortunately CCP decided to go with macro transactions instead of micro.
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Knights Armament
State Protectorate
Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:15:50 -
[60] - Quote
Lets look at the facts.
CCP needs more money, because game development costs millions. You need advertising money, bribe money, MMA lessons, whatever else it costs to run a company, you think that stuff comes cheap?
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Sylveria Relden
87
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Posted - 2015.07.10 23:08:27 -
[61] - Quote
Knights Armament wrote:Lets look at the facts.
CCP needs more money, because game development costs millions. You need advertising money, bribe money, MMA lessons, whatever else it costs to run a company, you think that stuff comes cheap?
Especially the bribe money and MMA lessons. I mean, cmon- do you really expect them to be working diligently at the computer screens creating ship and structure models all day long??? ;)
CCP is a business- it's about making money. For those who think they should be able to play the game free, forever- ask yourselves- how long do you think they can keep it all running when you're not paying them a cent??
Hellooooooooo.
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HeXxploiT
Big Diggers
Get Off My Lawn
162
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Posted - 2015.07.11 02:39:17 -
[62] - Quote
Aerasia wrote:
PS: Stop with Wiyrkomi, it's super boring. If you can't come up with a decent Caldari skin just go for Ishukone plz.
Funny the Wiyrkomi is the only skin I have applied on both a frigate and a capital ship.
I think it's the coolest darn looking skin in the game. I guess there is no accounting for taste.
As far as skins being too expensive...well they're not. There are SOME that are expensive but the early ships that were expensive will represent a small fraction of total ships after a few more months of releases. It's true that few people will buy large quantities of skins for personal use but they don't need to. I don't usually spend money on things quite so superficial but there will be a FEW that I like and will inject. It's a good model and even if SOME of the skins are $20(which most will not be) they last forever whereas a plex only lasts 30days so it's rather apples & oranges comparing the two.
Word of advice...the new pricing model will very possibly not effect the price of those expensive first skins so get them on the cheap while you can. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
117
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:30:28 -
[63] - Quote
I used to have skinned ships, Now i don't have any and not looking to ever get any now there not special or destructible.
PS. the Wiyrkomi skins are crap. Why can i not have an Iron man Wyvern or a Black and gold levi? |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Create Alliance
620
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:55:12 -
[64] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
The new T2 and navy frigate skins are less than $5 each.
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Tyrendian Biohazard
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
359
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Posted - 2015.07.13 18:24:38 -
[65] - Quote
My perspective:
I don't mind that CCP is doing something "on the side" to make more money. And though there won't be figures available, I'm definitely ready to believe that it is a great ISK sink. My problem is not the skins themselves, but the SKIN system.
When the first Hyperion skin was released (before SKINs), we were running a LS roaming fleet that happened to swing by (I believe) Rens to restock and let a few players reship. While docked, there was a Aliastra Hyperion on the undock, suspect and playing games. In short order we kill it and a handful of ships that were supporting it, when they tried to help. The totaled value of that kill, if I recall correctly, was 2b+ adjusted. Within a minute of that Hyperion loss we had received a wardec from the corporation. it provided content.
It's not about a "money grab" or what is providing more of an ISK sink, its about an opportunity for emergent gameplay (which EVE so proudly touts) being taken out of the game. With the SKINs no longer being destructible, not many will care if a skinned ship will be lost as they just buy the cheaper base hull and apply it again.
Yes, it may have been one time. Yes, it may never happen again. But anything that removes this type of gameplay from EVE, no matter how small, I am totally against.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
431
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Posted - 2015.09.26 00:46:25 -
[66] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
I agree |
Mag's
the united
20269
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Posted - 2015.09.26 00:54:52 -
[67] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c This.
Bought a few with AUR I had given me by CCP. Not spent any more.
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone
Caldari State
4675
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Posted - 2015.09.26 06:23:39 -
[68] - Quote
When can we get some wicked Pirate SKINs like the ones on Serenity?
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2015.09.26 06:58:23 -
[69] - Quote
Quote:
SKINs; the "You don't understand economics" version
WRONG!
It's another
Quote:Me (some average eve player) is smarter than CCP
thread
An arrogant believe, that some of eve players and lots for forum warriors have.
Not many came to the conclusion that one can look at this like another
Quote:buaa, SKINS are to expensive
thread.
Buy them or not or shut up. You are not forced to buy them for price X. You can always wait for them to get cheaper, but still one can assume their will still more whiners who will tell its to expensive and for price Y they would buy LOADS.
SKINs are blingy (luxury) items.
Unlike any other EvE item, SKINs do net get destroyed. And they are not good for anything else. You can not play trading games with them. To enjoy them you have to play with a view close to the ship.
Me?
Have a Kronos i do not play and bought a police skin. Just because i like the looks. And yeah i thought "is that necessary?"
Look at this like that:
I really like EvE, i buy items that are not good for anything else than to show that.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2015.09.26 07:37:28 -
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To bad, i would love to start an
Quote:good games and immersion versus "just pixels" asshats
For a game to keep ppl playing, immersion is critical.
Immersion, to dive in, to bed in. It makes you feel connected to the game, create some kind of emotional bond.
A very good way to do that, to allow someone to differentiate a little from the masses.
Like the "Plex for good" -tshirts, to show what one believe or just do look a little bit different, or connect to a certain group.
On the opposite site, we have the "why are you angry, its justs pixels" asshats.
Its like saying "why are you angry, you should not be immersed".
The times where games are looked down at, should be over. Thanks to sports, ppl see, that games are a viable source of entertainment. Entertainment you can join, not just like watching TV or movies.
This is just a way, to feel superior and beeing arrogant.
Ppl like codies need that.
You are angry and excited you lost your ship?
GOOOOOOD!
You are immersed! In game stuff means something to you! Unlike some throwaway cata, you do lots to keep you ships alive. You adapt and change you fits to situations, not like ppl who fly whith a setup someone came up with and you do not need to change at all. The ship gets destroyed anyway. Those are the asshats trying to elevate themself via an obsolete and cheap assertion from early times.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2015.09.26 07:49:24 -
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Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
What?
I assume that you must be one of the isk richest EvE players ever. There should be a way for you to get any SKIN via some legal ingame trade.
This "emotional obstacle" give those SKINs what? An emotional value.
To me it looks like it works like intended.
Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
72
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Posted - 2015.09.26 09:47:10 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:People take issue with the silly prices for something purely cosmetic. I'll draw the comparison to TF2 again. They have cosmetic items as well that you can never lose after purchase. Yet when they cost 5 dollars, you're already talking expensive. So why is it that CCP demands that an ingame item needs to cost a month worth of subscription time? It's completely out of proportion and no casual EVE player is gonna be able to justify a 15 dollar cosmetic item. I'd like to know what that exact price point came from and why CCP thought it was a good idea. Because I don't see it.
Also what ever happened to the time limited SKIN's. Was that idea dropped because CCP figured those would probably be favored over their hideously expensive permanent ones?
This. The SKIN feature in its current form is a huge waste of potential. Sure, CCP has the right to charge a high price, but how many players will buy a battleship SKIN for 12Gé¼? 0.01%? 0.02%? 12Gé¼ is a lot of money for such a simple cosmetic item. For 12Gé¼ i can get a nice indie game or AAA games during Steam sales. For example, i bought the GTA complete collection (all GTA games with DLCs, except GTA5) for 11Gé¼ during Steam sales. CCP wants 12Gé¼ for 1 texture? NOPE.
I think CCP should do a reset/overhaul of the SKIN feature:
* let NPCs sell SKINs. Make the permanent ones expensive, it would be a great ISK sink.
* Add corp skins. You could charge a monthly fee for them - another ISK sink.
* Let us make our own SKINs ingame with the editor shown some time ago. Of course, players would have to buy a expensive license (ISK sink!) if the want to use it in space on a ship. Ship SKIN designer could be a new profession for the creative EVE players.
* Exclusive SKINs could still be sold for AURUM, i.e. shiny silver/gold SKINs. |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
388
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Posted - 2015.09.26 10:03:38 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Other NEX (NES? I forget) items like clothing, which are not consumed when applied to the character, are not sinks. Consumables like SKINs, resculpts, and dual character training certificates are. You are aware of the possibility of SKIN supplies diminishing, and you can buy them for ISK -> PLEX -> AUR, so I don't get the confusion.
You have to ask yourself, whether your ISK is going to an NPC (CCP = ISK sink, because ISK permanently leaves the game)
or
is your ISK going to a player (player trade, ISK stays in the game economy)
... so, are you buying PLEX with ISK from CCP/NPC or from a player ?
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
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moep
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.09.26 12:27:23 -
[74] - Quote
Chribba wrote:I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one MARAUDER. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c
I agree with Chribba, Marauders are too expensive and there is a risk to loose them in battle.
Concerning skins, come on, vanity items, price is ok for an item you cannot loose. If you don't want to spend hard cash, then isk one.  . Some of the BS and T1 frig skins are cheap if you check the market. And it should be something special.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
I N F A M O U S
494
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Posted - 2015.09.26 13:09:51 -
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Received a few skins for free. Haven't used them once. Skins are worthless eye candy that, for me, adds absolutely nothing to the game. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round
Intrepid Crossing
638
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Posted - 2015.09.26 13:29:14 -
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Only thing I don't like is that when you buy the $20 aurum pack and then get the multiple character training thing, you get left with 530ish aurum.
That's not enough to buy a ship skin, which I'd get the red griffin one cuz anyone who flies anything other than a griffin is a dumb nerd.
Also I activated an old ex-goon account I started back in 2006 or 2007 and all the t1 frigates I have still have this really cool gold and red skin on them. Well the anathema got destroyed because of hackers hacking me, totally not my fault really. When I got the new one is was black and grey. Totally not cool.
So now I'm stuck with these 3 ships I don't want to lose because they're super pretty and irreplaceable.
This is an outrage. |
Boci
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
23
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Posted - 2015.09.26 13:30:19 -
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My two problems with the system:
1) Price itself is high (imo) - as others have said the real "trick" to microtransactions is that the individual purchase is small enough to not have to debate whether or not it is worth doing. Hey it looks cool! Hey its $2! *purchased*
2) Prices are insanely inconsistent. Tormentor is a pretty good example of this. Now, I don't know the amount of art asset time it takes to do these, but Ardishapur skin....740. Sarum, 4300. Most avatar skins are 4300. Um..what?
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UHURT's Link Guy
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round
Intrepid Crossing
638
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Posted - 2015.09.26 13:36:10 -
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Maybe we can convince CCP to get involved in talks with major corporations such as Coca-Cola and McDonalds to have cheap skins available?
I'd like to see some Big-Mac Obelisks or maybe a Chicken McNugget Malediction. Maybe a Mountain Dew Caracal. SInce they'd be partial advertisement we could probably get them super cheap, like $3. |
Memphis Baas
605
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Posted - 2015.09.26 13:49:18 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:Alright, lets try to put the final nail in the ranting about skin prices.
This thread is not the final nail; it's the opposite, opening the coffin to revisit the issue and look at all the rotting arguments all over again. I disagree with what you've said and maintain my old position, and so are others, looks like.
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