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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:18:57 -
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Well, we sorta do know how they work. They just suck. Really bad. Change that pooling system.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1742
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:27:51 -
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GimmeDatISK wrote:Quote:Some members of the CSM (IGÇÖll let them identify themselves if they wish) approached us in recent weeks with balance concerns about wormhole travel for Nullsec entities. We took a look at their concerns and decided to make some tweaks to help ease them. Can you please elaborate more on this? I'm very concerned about this statement and how it applies to your relationship with CSM members. You took the concerns of a select group of people who seem to have something to lose by wormholes staying in their current form and very quickly made a change to the mechanics of the game to suit that group. (small? big? who knows - you won't tell us) It disturbs me that we don't publicly know who asked for you to make these changes and who they represent. Was there any disagreement between other CSM members? Did you even bring it up with other members? Why was this such a fast-track change? The way you present your dev blog reads like you fast-tracked changes to appease anonymous critics of a system that didn't benefit them. I don't see how this is good game design or good-faith development with the larger player base in mind.
In this particular case, it was probably the correct decision.
There is a way to invalidate the change in practical effect but it is unlikely the groups using it the most will. This was a pretty big asymmetric warfare multiplier that could be abused to hell and back. We abused it, others abused it more. Not saying I like the nerf but it probably was for the better.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1742
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:42:20 -
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GimmeDatISK wrote:Aryth wrote:GimmeDatISK wrote:Quote:Some members of the CSM (IGÇÖll let them identify themselves if they wish) approached us in recent weeks with balance concerns about wormhole travel for Nullsec entities. We took a look at their concerns and decided to make some tweaks to help ease them. Can you please elaborate more on this? I'm very concerned about this statement and how it applies to your relationship with CSM members. You took the concerns of a select group of people who seem to have something to lose by wormholes staying in their current form and very quickly made a change to the mechanics of the game to suit that group. (small? big? who knows - you won't tell us) It disturbs me that we don't publicly know who asked for you to make these changes and who they represent. Was there any disagreement between other CSM members? Did you even bring it up with other members? Why was this such a fast-track change? The way you present your dev blog reads like you fast-tracked changes to appease anonymous critics of a system that didn't benefit them. I don't see how this is good game design or good-faith development with the larger player base in mind. In this particular case, it was probably the correct decision. There is a way to invalidate the change in practical effect but it is unlikely the groups using it the most will. This was a pretty big asymmetric warfare multiplier that could be abused to hell and back. We abused it, others abused it more. Not saying I like the nerf but it probably was for the better. Yea, I should have clarified a bit - I'm indifferent to the change and must defer to those who use WHs. What really concerns me is how quickly this went through and we don't know who requested it. It reads like someone on CSM cried about this not benefiting them and CCP made this change for them.
Sure, but that is also sorta how the CSM is supposed to work. They bring concerns to CCP's attention, CCP investigates, decides if it has merit and implements a change, or not.
You could argue the process needs more transparency thought and I tend to agree.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1743
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:09:03 -
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Altrue wrote:Not bad at all! However I have a question about the quantum flux: What are the tweaks made to increase its PVE daytripping value? Its never mentionned.
Furthermore, using entosis on ESS is a massive increase in how tideous it is to use them...
Finally, it seems that quantum flux are overall quite nerfed. Would it be unreasonable to buff their null to high chances ?
Likely a pool bonus tweak.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1744
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:27:30 -
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Edwin Wyatt wrote:Querns wrote:Edwin Wyatt wrote:CCP needs to understand their own game better.
An ISK faucets is an activity that require next to no player input. Prime example, Moon mining.
Calling a PVE activity that should require player input an isk faucet is wrong, if you put in the time and effort, the rewards should be endless.
But we will let your subscription number continue to tell you how bad of a job you're doing CCP, and it speaks loud and clear.
An ISK faucet is the opposite of what you think it is. "ISK faucet" refers to the generation of ISK by the server. Think of the entire game's ISK supply as existing in a huge barrel. An ISK faucet adds material to the bucket. Moon miners don't generate ISK; they don't add to the content of the barrel. Moon miners simply shift around the material already in the barrel (actually, they make a small amount of ISK leak out of the barrel due to market transaction taxes.) If you don't like that moon materials are expensive on the market, there are multiple vectors to combat this, only some of which require military might. You looking at this a prespective of isk in game, Im looking at this as a perspective of isk in players pocket. PVE is about generating income, and has nothing to do with the overall amount of isk in the game. Moon mining regardless if it generates actual isk, puts income into players pockets without much effort. If CCP wants to balance isk in the game, they need to learn a little something about economic inflation and not punish players putting in the effort and time. Maybe economics 101 might help.
if you are going to try to be smug about your economic arguments you should at least know the correct definitions of the terms you are using.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1744
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:38:48 -
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I would also point out that nerf was directed at PL and us. The only two major groups using that mechanic to hit remote hostiles regularly. We are ok with it, I am sure PL might be a bit miffed though.
There is a compensating control but I don't think we will roll it out yet. Maybe later though!
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1745
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Posted - 2015.07.08 20:38:12 -
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Mostlyharmlesss wrote:I don't get it. Where's the incentive?
From the looks of these changes, the only regions that stands to gain from this are the regions that are being overutilized (So Deklein and to some extend Branch). A ton of regions in EVE aren't being utilized so they will gain nothing from it. There is still no incentive for people to choose null sec anomaly running over the high sec ISK making choices as the pay is still comparable (and in most cases better) with almost zero risk.
Nah, while we do benefit, really crap regions benefit wayyyy more. Provi? Pure Blind? The entire SE quad? A whole lot of space we wouldn't wipe our boots on is now worth living in. That is good overall. You could argue this is a net nerf for us if you consider the ratio of how good Dek is compared to say Scalding Pass.
I am not arguing that it is but you could make that point.
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Creator of Burn Jita
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1747
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Posted - 2015.07.09 00:54:22 -
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Gideon Enderas wrote:Aneu Angellus wrote:PL Reddit thread is so much better than this one... especially where they cry a lot. Yeah, this change specifically, all wormholes to and from and nullsec being reduced to 16 hours only is basically putting the nails in the coffin of wormhole space. PL used an in game tool to find content, this tool isn't new. It's been used by several wormhole groups before. Now that a large organized group is using this method to travel, somehow it's unfair.
Welcome to our world since....forever
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1751
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:58:17 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:This will generate TONS of additional isk that will flow into the system.
Do we have ANY new isk sink?
As though a new sink would be needed with a 20-30% playerdrop?
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1752
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:50:01 -
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Sort Dragon just pointed the finger at Manny (PL) championing these changes.
Cats/Dogs/Up/Down What do we believe anymore!
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.
Creator of Burn Jita
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1752
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:42:56 -
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The new meta. Snitches get Stitches.
Anyone that gets null nerfed gets invaded. Lol
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:42:10 -
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Duffyman wrote:Duffyman wrote:Anomalies are not really very scalable. Ok you have more anomalies but you still have to travel to each one to find a vacant one.
Why not replace anoms with missions?
A few advantages:
- Totally scalable, you can have 200 guys living in a system
- Forces mission runners to travel around to run the missions (make them never be in the same system as the agent)
- Make life harder for botters (I'm no expert but it should be easier to program a bot to run anoms than to run missions)
- Kill afk ratting, which is pretty much cancer to this game (although I abuse it as hell) I'd like to see some discussion about this. Why not remove anomalies entirely and replace them with missions, like we have in NPC null space?
While they have teased agents in null (not NPC) stations it does present some issues. The main thing would be it requires a complete refactoring of LP rewards and ISK payouts for the missions themselves. Not a horrible task but not trivial either.
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Creator of Burn Jita
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:53:02 -
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Duffyman wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:there is also a bunch of technical debt that prevents them from easily adding new mission agents, iirc it is a 100% manual process and with outposts being droppable by anyone at any time i don't think they wanna pay an intern to sit and F5 dotlan to put in agents in every new outpost That is a technical issue. It's up to CCP to solve it. I'm more concerned about the impact on the gameplay.
I would rather see a mix. What we have today and adding agents. Perhaps a limit per region or const.
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Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1755
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Posted - 2015.07.12 15:11:17 -
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The only big danger on the horizon is the learning implant removal. That is a highly disruptive event when it comes to the economy. Still very needed and doable just tricky.
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