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Borat Guereen
Chao3
Chao3 Alliance
23
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Posted - 2015.07.09 01:43:10 -
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In CCP's post about the upcoming changes, a significant piece of information is laid out by CCP Fozzie.
"To ensure that anyone starting a Sovereignty capture event will also be able to complete the process, characters must be in a valid capsuleer Alliance in order to activate an Entosis link directly onto a TCU, IHub or Station. This restriction does not apply to Station Services."
Obviously this means that unaffiliated corporations will not be able to directly impact sov.
We regret that unaffiliated corporations are thus cast out of the sov game, even if we understand the mechanical reasons behind this requirement.
One of our goal in New Eden was to establish an active group of independent and clandestine corporations to bring fight to Null Sec so as to make freeports out of NullSec stations, in the spirit of our minarchist revolution and our war on taxes.
Unfortunately, this will not be possible under Fozzie sov, unless we leave clandestinity and become targets for the established imperial powers, a step that the Chao3 Revolutionary Council has decided to not take at that time.
The CRC encourages all its freedom fighters to fights on the side that will flip or maintain any Null Sec station as a freeport.
Speaker of Chao3
Porte Parole de Chao3
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
197
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Posted - 2015.07.09 02:16:05 -
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You can still entasis link station services, which is a pretty good and easy way to troll. You can also gate camp, do roams, etc. that's quite a lot of impact on null space sov holders.
Want to be taken seriously? Then create an alliance and try to take null space that belongs to someone.
It's only normal.
Been around since the beginning.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38637
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Posted - 2015.07.09 02:51:56 -
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Sov is for Alliances, not Corporations.
Nothing is particularly changing.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
764
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Posted - 2015.07.09 05:23:50 -
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I find it very odd a corporation that wants to hold SOV knows nothing about either the current or new SOV system.
But here's the trick you need: You form an alliance with your single corp as a executor corp. As long as you do not accept other corps, it just your one corp holding sov, using the alliance shell as a sabot.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter
Absolute Zero.
912
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Posted - 2015.07.09 05:59:21 -
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If you really want to, you can just formally make your own alliance.
Honestly, I didn't expect such requirement from CCP since it's so easily circumvented anyway. |
Falken Falcon
32088
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Posted - 2015.07.09 06:25:51 -
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Just out of curiosity, are there currently solo corporations that hold sov?
Aye, Sea Turtles
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2260
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Posted - 2015.07.09 07:24:16 -
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Is this not only for capture of Sov?
Rather than negating someone else's Sov, or have CCP gone back on their word that anyone can get involved in kicking out sov holders. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
378
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Posted - 2015.07.09 07:45:02 -
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So everything will be finally as boring as it was before fozziesov. Fozzie came, Fozzie sov, Fozzie failed.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3479
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:45:38 -
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I dont think you all get it. The OP does not want to take control of a station, he wants to others to NOT have control of a station.
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
That said, OP, you can still make a dummy alliance, and move pilots in and out as needed.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1994
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:00:47 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I dont think you all get it. The OP does not want to take control of a station, he wants to others to NOT have control of a station.
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
That said, OP, you can still make a dummy alliance, and move pilots in and out as needed.
He formed an alliance because he realised it was not hard.
The rules don't care about your goal. You reach your goal by playing by the rules. |
HeXxploiT
Big Diggers
Get Off My Lawn
161
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:39:50 -
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Borat Guereen wrote:In CCP's post about the upcoming changes, a significant piece of information is laid out by CCP Fozzie.
"To ensure that anyone starting a Sovereignty capture event will also be able to complete the process, characters must be in a valid capsuleer Alliance in order to activate an Entosis link directly onto a TCU, IHub or Station. This restriction does not apply to Station Services."
Obviously this means that unaffiliated corporations will not be able to directly impact sov.
We regret that unaffiliated corporations are thus cast out of the sov game, even if we understand the mechanical reasons behind this requirement.
One of our goal in New Eden was to establish an active group of independent and clandestine corporations to bring fight to Null Sec so as to make freeports out of NullSec stations, in the spirit of our minarchist revolution and our war on taxes.
Unfortunately, this will not be possible under Fozzie sov, unless we leave clandestinity and become targets for the established imperial powers, a step that the Chao3 Revolutionary Council has decided to not take at that time.
The CRC encourages all its freedom fighters to fights on the side that will flip or maintain any Null Sec station as a freeport.
Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people? |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3479
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Posted - 2015.07.09 15:52:28 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:
Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people?
Do you even need two?
You do need a billion ISK.
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Borat Guereen
Chao3
Chao3 Alliance
26
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Posted - 2015.07.09 16:48:04 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I dont think you all get it. The OP does not want to take control of a station, he wants to others to NOT have control of a station.
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
That said, OP, you can still make a dummy alliance, and move pilots in and out as needed.
Yes, we already have an alliance, and our plan until this announcement was to participate into flipping stations to Freeports.
If we can add pilots indeed to our alliance, this removes the clandestine part of our operation for our freedom fighters.
We understand why an alliance is needed to take sov, but did not know it would be a requirement for flipping a station to Freeport.
Speaker of Chao3
Porte Parole de Chao3
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door
We need wards.
1503
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Posted - 2015.07.09 16:50:26 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Sov is for Alliances, not Corporations.
Nothing is particularly changing.
END OF THREAD tbh.
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And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
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Spaceships
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22173
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:16:53 -
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Well ****, why don't we take this a step further... What about NPC corps? Why cant NPC Corps take Sov with the new system??!?!?!
Why cant 1 man corps take sov??!?!
Why cant completely NPC organizations take/retake sov!?!?!
Why can cats run exploration sites, but cant take sov?!??!
What happens if the Walnuts return!?!?
What the hell is this sticky crap on my desk?!?!?!
Who took my stapler?!??!
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!?
Who shot J.R!?!?!!?
How many of these used !??!!!? appropriately?!?!!?!
Why was my favorite taco truck out of salsa?!?!?!
Where in the world was Carmen SanDiego?!??!!?
What would you do for a Klondike bar?!?!?!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24186
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:22:24 -
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^^ You forgot
Can I have your stuff??!?!!?!?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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stoicfaux
6096
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:23:29 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!?
That's a trick question. All swallows have been laid, because swallow eggs are laid. Therefore there are no unlaiden swallows.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22173
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:27:08 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!?
That's a trick question. All swallows have been laid, because swallow eggs are laid. Therefore there are no unlaiden swallows. edit: Know what I mean, Vern?
Don't you dare invoke the spirit of Jim Varney.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1273
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:44:52 -
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I get non alliances not being able to complete the capture event, but not being able to start it, thus flipping the station to freeport mode, seems less clear. if you aren't willing to defend your space it should be vulnerable, and seems like an arbitrary restriction.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6806
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:47:44 -
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Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.
Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16667
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:08:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.
Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.
You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1995
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:09:44 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I get non alliances not being able to complete the capture event, but not being able to start it, thus flipping the station to freeport mode, seems less clear. if you aren't willing to defend your space it should be vulnerable, and seems like an arbitrary restriction.
Because it's easyer to code that way and it's not like being in an alliance is a large requirement... |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6807
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:26:16 -
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Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.
Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.
You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.
I'm not logged in all day. I play in PST at night and have seen a significant drop.
Or maybe the leftoids in PST have decided to all go live in a commune out in the woods or something. I don't know.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
380
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:24:18 -
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Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.
Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.
You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.
You mean only the spike, I could say there are more than 60 000 logged in, even bigger number, but its in a span of whole day.  You see what I did there.
And we are at year 2007 levels, I mean people that fatiqued to log in. Unimpressive.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16667
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:24:37 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.
Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.
You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in. I'm not logged in all day. I play in PST at night and have seen a significant drop. Or maybe the leftoids in PST have decided to all go live in a commune out in the woods or something. I don't know.
Well I suppose that it's possible that 14000+ players logged in during the 45 whole minutes between our posts 
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6809
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Posted - 2015.07.09 21:38:16 -
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Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.
Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.
You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in. I'm not logged in all day. I play in PST at night and have seen a significant drop. Or maybe the leftoids in PST have decided to all go live in a commune out in the woods or something. I don't know. Well I suppose that it's possible that 14000+ players logged in during the 45 whole minutes between our posts
Look I've been playing from my present time zone since mid 2008 and it just seemed more lively back then. Or maybe it was the space dinosaurs.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5425
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Posted - 2015.07.09 22:06:17 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:
Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people?
Do you even need two? You do need a billion ISK.
1 player, with a billion isk to spare can make an alliance of their own. If they wanted to, say, advertise they're running for CSM in every post on the forums.
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
13579
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Posted - 2015.07.09 22:13:54 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place?
There are plenty of other ways to troll in this game. Sov should be about taking and controlling territory, not weaponizing banality.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3485
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Posted - 2015.07.09 23:49:54 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place?
Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced?
Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1275
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Posted - 2015.07.10 03:59:15 -
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Malcanis wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.
Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.
You should swing by the Optometrist for a checkup, mate. There are 29000+ logged in.
late night US TZ it does get pretty dead, although looking at eve-offline.net it looks like 15k is about the lowest it goes (at least on the 3m graph). From what I can see if it goes below that it is because of downtime.
@ChainsawPlankto
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