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Mister Holder
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2015.07.10 22:56:49 -
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So it seems like the entire ship tier rebalancing has hit a stale mate on all accounts (minus a few tweaks here and there i.e. Ishtar taking a stick up the pooper).... I am just wondering if CCP had any intentions of getting back to rebalancing all tiers, and finally giving the BLOPS class some much needed attention?
Any info would be much appreciated. |
Mia Tam
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.10 23:49:31 -
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+1 for some blops lovins |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.11 12:42:46 -
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First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.
They just need some stat changes tbh. |
Mister Holder
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2015.07.11 14:50:24 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.
They just need some stat changes tbh.
I would like to see the d-scan immunity from the combat recons. It wouldn't be as bad as the cov-ops cloak, and would help them quite a bit in terms of their surprise factor. |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.11 15:14:12 -
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That would be too powerful, their combat capabilities are way too good for that. |
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.07.11 16:11:50 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.
They just need some stat changes tbh.
And what changes are you thinking?
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.11 16:32:11 -
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Aralieus wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.
They just need some stat changes tbh. And what changes are you thinking?
Mostly fuel usage for the portal, increase range to 5LY and a rebalance amongst the different Blops because some are better than others. Many people will ask for an EHP increase but that would make them too powerful imo, they're used quite a bit these days which means they're not "bad". Just some quality of life changes and rebalancing, really. |
Mister Holder
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2015.07.11 16:37:24 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:That would be too powerful, their combat capabilities are way too good for that.
Without looking it up, their combat capabilities are nearly on par with t1 BS, and their tank is less or on par.
The only thing they are good for at the moment is the portal. |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.11 16:46:45 -
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Mister Holder wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:That would be too powerful, their combat capabilities are way too good for that. Without looking it up, their combat capabilities are nearly on par with t1 BS, and their tank is less or on par. The only thing they are good for at the moment is the portal.
Obviously, yes. They get two cloaking bonuses which are VERY powerful and on top of that they get the portal capability, looking purely at the combat side of it and go "it's not the same so they're not as good" is simply disingenuous. If their combat would be on par they'd be hilariously good. |
Aeon Noblemagus
Nuclear Warfare Inc. ATOMIC.
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Posted - 2015.07.12 02:21:49 -
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id love to see black ops get something similar done to recons one with a cloak bonus and decent Ewar and maybe tank but poor dps and one without a cloak worse Ewar but higher dps. |
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.07.13 06:37:22 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:That would be too powerful, their combat capabilities are way too good for that. Yep, they are.
Tiberius Heth wrote:Obviously, yes. They get two cloaking bonuses which are VERY powerful and on top of that they get the portal capability, looking purely at the combat side of it and go "it's not the same so they're not as good" is simply disingenuous. If their combat would be on par they'd be hilariously good. Compared to what they can push through their bridge, their own abilities look pretty underwhelming.
That said, d-scan immunity is hardly what these ships need in order to be of more use than bridge bunnies. |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.13 07:30:00 -
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Anecdotal stories where some fricking morons get murdered is hardly compelling evidence for anything other than the stupidity of man. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 08:21:58 -
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Blops are the least used ship class in the game. They need some seroius help. The problem is no one can agree as to what that change should be.
Just trying to make theyre bridging ability better is a cop out. Might as well make a deployabe and be done with it. It would be as bad as the brdging titans (never used except to coast out of a pos shield, and then coast back in).
Everything else is tricky, you cant just buff stats or fit better cloaks without taking away from other ships... Blops need to be given a direction and make that solid. The closest comparrison to the blops as a class is the marauder (T2 BS) look how powerful they are as a ship and that is what i expect from black ops. Obviously not as powerful in straight combat potential, but with bonuses and stats to warrent their existance as a battleship.
Personally... i would either seperate the bridging ability or integrate it into the ship to not effect its fitting, give them cov-ops cloak, T2 resists, and bring in line with theyre T1 conterparts... Then keep them in line with mods.... long reactivation delays on the cloaks, poor(ish) tracking stats, tight fitting...
Like i said as it stands theres no "right" answer at the moment apart from the need to do something.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.07.13 08:43:23 -
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blops is for ganking, you pick a target you know you can kill. No need for increased combat stats otherwise they just become T2 battleships and would see regular use which is not the point of them. |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.13 09:58:43 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:blops is for ganking, you pick a target you know you can kill. No need for increased combat stats otherwise they just become T2 battleships and would see regular use which is not the point of them.
Exactly. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 10:53:00 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:blops is for ganking, you pick a target you know you can kill. No need for increased combat stats otherwise they just become T2 battleships and would see regular use which is not the point of them. Exactly.
... well what is the point... so theyre ships that are hardly ever used, and then only when your sure its a fight you know your going to win (and likely crushingly so as no one wants to lose a ship). Might as well just remove them from the game.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.07.13 10:55:54 -
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the point is you drop on top of some unsuspecting ratter and take all his stuff and then disappear. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 11:02:30 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:the point is you drop on top of some unsuspecting ratter and take all his stuff and then disappear.
Easier to just jump other ships. Theres a reason black ops arent used, too much effort for little gain.
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.13 11:39:54 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:the point is you drop on top of some unsuspecting ratter and take all his stuff and then disappear. 1337 pvp |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:05:17 -
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Aralieus wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.
They just need some stat changes tbh. And what changes are you thinking?
they dont need changed they are fine, they dont need cov ops cloaks and dont need dscan immunity
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:22:03 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Aralieus wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:First one to mention covops cloaks gets a bollocking.
They just need some stat changes tbh. And what changes are you thinking? they dont need changed they are fine, they dont need cov ops cloaks and dont need dscan immunity
They arent used. Least used ships in the game bar unique ships.
The only time they are used is to bridge other cov-ops, OR even more rarely to gank a target when theres no risk to themselfs.
.... they need to be changed.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:42:16 -
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https://zkillboard.com/character/622971326/
no they are never used
ever |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:43:06 -
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they are used when they are needed, think of them as a nice sportscar, not used very much but great fun when they are used
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:54:49 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:https://zkillboard.com/character/622971326/
no they are never used
ever
I stand by what i said... im sure i could find a Freki being used if i look hard enough. Compared to all the othe ships in the game the black ops class is the least used. This is well know and accounted (also they have the highest kdr... because they only ever fight when they want to). Pointing out the few snowflakes that like to use them doesnt change this.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:01:00 -
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they are used according to zkillboards stats for blops
https://zkillboard.com/group/898/
they are too powerful to just be running around being used all the time
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:13:25 -
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Ha have you compared them to other ship uses?
The killboard is "filled" with the occational fleet and random smartbombing sins. Marauders have almost the same number of kills and they were'nt in fleets... and at least theyre used in pve.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:17:48 -
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Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure.
I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:22:36 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure. I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about.
they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:33:09 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure. I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about. they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?
your point?
[Hound, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Faint Warp Disruptor I
Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
900dps and a helv a lot cheeper.
Context is important
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:47:39 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure. I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about. they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful? your point? [Hound, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Faint Warp Disruptor I Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II 900dps and a helv a lot cheeper. Context is important
that hound will die before a panther
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