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ACESsiggy VC Academy 7	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:01:00 - [1] - Quote Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing. All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions. I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor. THoughts ... insights ...
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:04:00 - [2] - Quote both are viable. And armor tanking / speaking of buffer / is actually prefered at most large encoutners. 1400mm Abaddons are superior to Maelstrom .. they got nearly twice the ehp.. with same alpha.. ofc there is the mobility and agility thing .. where maelstrom is superior but at some scale its not worth mentioning. Active tanking is well useless unless you are the ganking one and chose what you encounter. In large scale totally useless. Active shield tanking is way superior to armor .. Since the rep from armor gives you laughable ammount of hp back. Sure armor reps. got their pros as well, like cap consumption, but honestly who expect to live past one or two minutes in active fight anyway? and yes PvE wise.. unless you use some pimped up ship armor tanking is only good vs enemy which deal primarily EMP damage. And even then shield tanking is probably better since you got more power to your guns/missiles. second edit : Armor tanking got one huge advantage over shield and its free med slot for electronic warfare. using it for cap recharchers is waste. Stick some TP in there, or tracking disruptors, sensor dampeners, webs.. Those can help you out in many encounters if you know when and how to use them.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:05:00 - [3] - Quote Most people shield tank for a reason, shields are better
Vallek Arkonnis Cosmic Cimmerians The G0dfathers 10	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:07:00 - [4] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing. All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions. I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor. THoughts ... insights ... I have flown armor tanked ships practically exclusively. Either I'm missing out on ezmode or armor tanking is just fine. Also, what fits are you trying to use? I might be able to help out a bit.
ACESsiggy VC Academy 7	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:09:00 - [5] - Quote Vallek Arkonnis wrote: ACESsiggy wrote: Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing. All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions. I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor. THoughts ... insights ... I have flown armor tanked ships practically exclusively. Either I'm missing out on ezmode or armor tanking is just fine. Also, what fits are you trying to use? I might be able to help out a bit. Presently fly a Megathron, had a Hyperion but didn't care for it too much. I'm not sure how to link my ship and its current fitting.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:11:00 - [6] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Vallek Arkonnis wrote: ACESsiggy wrote: Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing. All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions. I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor. THoughts ... insights ... I have flown armor tanked ships practically exclusively. Either I'm missing out on ezmode or armor tanking is just fine. Also, what fits are you trying to use? I might be able to help out a bit. Presently fly a Megathron, had a Hyperion but didn't care for it too much. I'm not sure how to link my ship and its current fitting. export, import it to EFT. Copy to clipboard. And insert it there.
Ocih Space Mermaids 14	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:14:00 - [7] - Quote Practical armor tank requires RR in the fleet, even in small fleets because the only practical armor tank is buffer. The general rule is, gank beats tank anyway and it's really a lottery in large fleets. If you are lucky primary number one, your dead. Combo those statements it's what makes Guardian primary. They can spider and keep fleets on the field.
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 47	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:16:00 - [8] - Quote Armor tanking is hardly a rarity.
Ana Vyr Vyral Technologies 125	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:19:00 - [9] - Quote I fly both types of tanks in PvE. Both seem to have a niche, depending on who you are fighting. I have to do more cap management with my CNR than my Abaddon though. Couple that with missle launcher management and a target painter, and I find the Raven a much fussier ship to fly on missions.
ACESsiggy VC Academy 7	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:20:00 - [10] - Quote High 350mm Prototype Gauss Cannon X 7 Arbelest Cruise Launcher X 1 Medium Cap Recharger II X 3 Monopulse Tracking X 1 LOW Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repair X 1 Active Hardners II X 4 Magnetic Field Stabs X 2 RIGS Large Capacitor Control X 2 Hybrid Collision Accelerator X1 Hope this works... don't have EFT installed atm
Zimmy Zeta Battle Force Industries 145	Posted - 2011.12.07 18:56:00 - [11] - Quote armor tank is usually: 1DCU II 1EANM II 1-2 active hardeners either plate or repper for pve you could skip the DCU, but it helps a lot if things go awry. Good thing about the armor tank is that you have good "secondary" resists because of your EANM, so you can usually deal better with mixed damage types. In theory, at least. -.-
Vallek Arkonnis Cosmic Cimmerians The G0dfathers 10	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:16:00 - [12] - Quote I just whipped this up [Megathron] 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun [Empty High slot] LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Rather generic mission armor fit. Cap lasts ~4min with everything on, stable with AB off. I'm not sure what your fitting skills are but there's enough CPU and PG left over to fit meta 4 425's.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 487	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:28:00 - [13] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Shield versus Armor tanking. Majority of players utilize shield tanking, I for one however, use armor tanking and it seems to be a rarity on the game. I haven't played EVE that long but I can only assume with the sheer amount of people using shield tanking, armor tanking needs balancing. All my mid slots are used by cap rechargers, and by equipping an armor repair, it's almost impossible to speed tank (equipping afterburners) for example doing pve missions. I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor. THoughts ... insights ... armor tank = sebos, points, webs and scrams shield tank = DPS, tracking and systems buffs typically if you want to fleet up and roam the shield fit is better as you can fit the tools to deliver the DPS and a lot of people run shield logi. armor fleets happen too, then everyone gets to point and scram but deliver less punch, thus the slightly better numbers on an armor tank The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 240	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:30:00 - [14] - Quote I want a laser/shield ship. Space technology! Plus the fact that the tank uses no cap would be a good thing for the lasers. The only warrior on this battlefield who isn't an alt.
Never Learn Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:30:00 - [15] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Shield versus Armor tanking. I just feel that there is a wider variation in the fitting with shield tanking than armor. THoughts ... insights ... Your post without doing any research on your own is what i like to refer to as a "sign of the times".........I'm getting to old. Here - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=319967
Pak Narhoo Knights of Kador 65	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:37:00 - [16] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Most people shield tank for a reason, shields are better Just one comment: lol.
NickyYo StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge 26	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:39:00 - [17] - Quote Just so you know. Armor tanking = PVP Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :)
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 241	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:43:00 - [18] - Quote NickyYo wrote: Just so you know. Armor tanking = PVP Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :) How wrong you are The only warrior on this battlefield who isn't an alt.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 487	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:44:00 - [19] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: NickyYo wrote: Just so you know. Armor tanking = PVP Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :) How wrong you are this typical pvp cane 6x 425mm ACII 2x neuts or missiles 2x LSE 1x MWD 1X point 3x gyrostab II 1x DC II 2x TE II 2x medium CDFE 1x medium anti-EM about a 45k buffer tank The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Lord Ryan True Xero 128	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:55:00 - [20] - Quote Morganta wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: NickyYo wrote: Just so you know. Armor tanking = PVP Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :) How wrong you are this typical pvp cane 6x 425mm ACII 2x neuts or missiles 2x LSE 1x MWD 1X point 3x gyrostab II 1x DC II 2x TE II 2x medium CDFE 1x medium anti-EM about a 45k buffer tank ^that^ -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 242	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:55:00 - [21] - Quote That actually auto-repairs while an armor tank needs a repairer. The only warrior on this battlefield who isn't an alt.
Midori Tsu Evolution The Initiative. 18	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:03:00 - [22] - Quote The amount of stupid radiating from this thread is amazing.
Thgil Goldcore PIE Inc. 148	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:04:00 - [23] - Quote Krios Ahzek wrote: I want a laser/shield ship. Space technology! Plus the fact that the tank uses no cap would be a good thing for the lasers. It exists! its called Sansha ships. Going to have to get used to the pain spikes though.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 487	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:05:00 - [24] - Quote the other nice thing about the vanilla pvp cane is if you drop the point for either a invlun II or damage specific hardner you can easily solo lvl3s and even some 4s provided you are careful about pulling too much agro at once I've soloed c3 sleeper grav sites with a cane with an enjoyable amount of difficulty, I wouldn't try anything over a mining site in a hole though. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
NickyYo StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge 26	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:38:00 - [25] - Quote Lord Ryan wrote: Morganta wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: NickyYo wrote: Just so you know. Armor tanking = PVP Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :) How wrong you are this typical pvp cane 6x 425mm ACII 2x neuts or missiles 2x LSE 1x MWD 1X point 3x gyrostab II 1x DC II 2x TE II 2x medium CDFE 1x medium anti-EM about a 45k buffer tank ^that^ Your all doing it wrong.. Armor buffer hurricanes are best hurricanes, and will of course kill the above fit in a 1v1 fight :)
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate 307	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:42:00 - [26] - Quote Armor ftw. Shield may have dps. But armor tanking allows you for some great ewar. Example - armor tanking scorp with 8x ecm. or the ecm ishtar - lolz yes it does work and its stupid funny . but also, on shield ships you have to sacrifice tank for a mwd and point in pvp, where in armor you maybe a bit slower but you dont have to sacrifice tank to keep a player or npc locked down.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 242	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:42:00 - [27] - Quote NickyYo wrote: Lord Ryan wrote: Morganta wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: NickyYo wrote: Just so you know. Armor tanking = PVP Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :) How wrong you are this typical pvp cane 6x 425mm ACII 2x neuts or missiles 2x LSE 1x MWD 1X point 3x gyrostab II 1x DC II 2x TE II 2x medium CDFE 1x medium anti-EM about a 45k buffer tank ^that^ Your all doing it wrong.. Armor buffer hurricanes are best hurricanes, and will of course kill the above fit in a 1v1 fight :) Good thing there's no such thing as a 1 vs 1 fight The only warrior on this battlefield who isn't an alt.
NickyYo StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge 26	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:50:00 - [28] - Quote Armor hurricanes all fitted with sensor dampeners in those spare mid slots is also a very good tactic against those pesky shield canes and drakes with logistic support :) Couldn't do that with shield could ya ? :) You could even fit ECM on the canes like the above post says, sounds shoddy but it works surprisingly good! Empire carebears and 0.0 PVP NOOBS do shield.
Midori Tsu Evolution The Initiative. 18	Posted - 2011.12.07 20:50:00 - [29] - Quote NickyYo wrote: Lord Ryan wrote: Morganta wrote: Krios Ahzek wrote: NickyYo wrote: Just so you know. Armor tanking = PVP Shield tanking = Carebearing PVE Shield tankers can't fit MWD and tackle and have a good tank at the same time, armor can! :) How wrong you are this typical pvp cane 6x 425mm ACII 2x neuts or missiles 2x LSE 1x MWD 1X point 3x gyrostab II 1x DC II 2x TE II 2x medium CDFE 1x medium anti-EM about a 45k buffer tank ^that^ Your all doing it wrong.. Armor buffer hurricanes are best hurricanes, and will of course kill the above fit in a 1v1 fight :) Accept the shield tanked cane has the ability to disengage.
Krios Ahzek Juvenis Iratus 243	Posted - 2011.12.07 21:01:00 - [30] - Quote Midori Tsu wrote: Accept the shield tanked cane has the ability to disengage. Is the same fit with 650mm artillery viable? It should get some nice kiting ability with its superior range. The only warrior on this battlefield who isn't an alt.

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