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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:16:00 -
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The 0km warp option was implemented with hopes that it would completely replace insta bms. Unfortunately, due to specifics of EVE game mechanics, such solution doesn't achieve 100% reliability of insta bms.
For gate warps, the failure rate of 0km warp is around 5-10%: when person exits warp outside 2500 m jump range.
For station warps, the failure rate is around 50%: when person exits warp outside 0 m docking range.
It doesn't matter right now whether the current failures of 0km warp are acceptable from game balance point of view. The issue now is that insta bms are still in game, competing with 0km. And unlike 0km warp, instas CAN have 100% reliability.
What is necessary to make bms completely unnecessary?
The -3 km warp option. It would offer 100% reliability just like instas, without the extra cost of maintaining insta bms. Only then everyone can safely delete all their bms without shadow of concern.
Are there any side effects to -3 km warp option? as far as game mechanics are concerned, there are none. All gates and stations in EVE have more than 3km radius "0 range" sphere. There would be mininum bumping side effect. 0km warp option should be retained for those who wish to warp to small objects, such as other space ships and wrecks.
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darklegionca
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:19:00 -
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you better be joking warp to 0 is awesome it dont need to be tweeked anymore then it is so what if your just a bit off the gate or station you will be jumping before anyone can get a lock on you so nothing to worry about thats my 2 cents
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Captain Caboose
Deathshead Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:22:00 -
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Something tells me you havent seen a capital ship bounce off a station before.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:23:00 -
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 Originally by: darklegionca
you better be joking warp to 0 is awesome it dont need to be tweeked anymore then it is so what if your just a bit off the gate or station you will be jumping before anyone can get a lock on you so nothing to worry about thats my 2 cents
You are justifying 0km warp from game balance point of view. That's not the issue.
The issue is how 0km warp competes with insta bms. Insta bms are currently more reliable. If devs want to make instas absolete, they need to have alternative solution that offers 100% reliability.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:25:00 -
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No 
Enjoy your free instas without any work .. and like using instas, there ALSO possibility to miss gate sometimes. Risk vs. Reward, eh? 
"It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
The -3 km warp option. It would offer 100% reliability just like instas, without the extra cost of maintaining insta bms. Only then everyone can safely delete all their bms without shadow of concern.
Are there any side effects to -3 km warp option? as far as game mechanics are concerned, there are none.
All jumps have a +/- <= 2-3km range to prevent bouncing upon exit of gang warp. So brilliant plan is to penalize those who get the + side by putting them up to 6k from the object. That'll work well.
Originally by: Troy Knight
[After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 30/11/2006 06:27:30
Originally by: Captain Caboose
Something tells me you havent seen a capital ship bounce off a station before.
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All jumps have a +/- <= 2-3km range to prevent bouncing upon exit of gang warp. So brilliant plan is to penalize those who get the + side by putting them up to 6k from the object. That'll work well.
I think most, if not all stations in EVE have collision regions more than 6km away from 0 range sphere.
Also note that I don't want to disable 0 km warp as an option, I'm merely adding -3km warp as new option.
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Serpensis
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Caboose
Something tells me you havent seen a capital ship bounce off a station before.
Something tells me they do with instas.
Something tells me you havent learned to adjust your warp to distance properly.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
No
Enjoy your free instas without any work .. and like using instas, there ALSO possibility to miss gate sometimes. Risk vs. Reward, eh?
Again, you are talking from perspective of game balance. Not from perspective of Dev's trying to get rid of insta bms.
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Xykanth Roldeir
Amarr
Phantom Squad
iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 06:39:00 -
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After reading about the %50 failure ratio to station warps I'm glad I hung onto my station insta's for the most part.
Station Insta's weren't that hard to create anyways, so if ccp does go through and delete all the instas left in the game I won't mind really cause I can recreate the ones I need the most with relative ease.
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Max Grief
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.30 07:01:00 -
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This is probably the best compromise, gives the low sec pirates some margin for error to get kills.
and tbh having to fly 3 clicks isn't 'that' far in the grand scheme of PVP
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TheNecromancer
Caldari
The Royal Order
The Scandinavian Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 07:05:00 -
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I deleted my few 1000 bm i had, and are doing just fine with warp to 0 now :)
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.30 07:12:00 -
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Warp to 500m :)
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Originally by: Wrangler
It's a neuralizer.
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Devil Viper
Caldari
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.30 07:12:00 -
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Warp to 0 works fine for me, Most ive landed outside a object is 1.5km, so still in jump range.
Ive deleted teh BM`s on this account, but not my other one. I want to see how it pans out for a few weeks 1st ;)
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John Bishop
Caldari
Murder-Death-Kill
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: John Bishop on 30/11/2006 07:38:25
Edited by: John Bishop on 30/11/2006 07:38:15
2006.11.30 07:03:35 Notify Criminals are not welcome into Gallente space - leave now John Bishop, or your vessel will be destroyed!
i have no idea why it posted that above...
but what i was trying to say is i just flown 30+ jumps using the warp to zero all the while the npc police trying to stop me,,,, no problems at all and the warp to 0 never missed a gate or station.
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Large Beam Spec 5 is a really good skill to have, because it almost puts you on a par with people using T1 projectiles. [:lol: |
Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:33:00 -
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Lol, I can see the new warp to 0 being the tool for much faster creation of warp to 0 instas than the older warp to 15 instas.
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Tintifish
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:39:00 -
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I use current instas for stations when i have them (most i've been put away from a gate was 2510m), and if not i put up with the few km i have to fly to dock. Still a huge improvement on the previous 15km
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.11.30 09:55:00 -
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Hmm, the main reason for insta sets is for managing hostile PVP encounters. The benefit of heavy ships travelling faster is a side effect.
And for all you pies out there, stop ya whining, gate camps have always been about aligning vs locking times and that hasn't changed.
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