Originally by: Malena Panic

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Did you know that there are some groups of people who only do PvE in PvP-fitted ships? Scramblers and all. It's a tactical choice like most other things in this game. Do you bring a setup that can deal with unanticipated dangers, or do you bring a super-specialized piece of gear that can punch above its weight class, but only if you aren't jumped? In any situation where there's risk of pirate attack, I know which I'd bring.

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I really think that the underlying issue here isn't scan-times vs. warning, or low-sec risk vs. reward, but solo play vs. teamwork. Play as a team and you will be much more successful.

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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PS to all the people who still think missions were really not designed for solo play.... Why is it then that the agent doesnt give LP , faction and split the reward up among everyone in teh gang if you run missions in a group?

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Originally by: Akallabeth Avaria

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The problem is that there is group of people that enjoy doing missions and play the EVE this way. ATM these people are efectively denied what they like to do and are forced to play the game the way that CCP/other EVE groups think the game should be played, which is wrong.

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Originally by: Akallabeth Avaria

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The problem is that there is group of people that enjoy doing missions and play the EVE this way. ATM these people are efectively denied what they like to do and are forced to play the game the way that CCP/other EVE groups think the game should be played, which is wrong.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Yeah, the low sec mission runners really got the shaft. I mean with these new probes, they are much easier to find than a miner in an asteroid belt... oh wait.

Well, be that as it may, there is no way for the mission runner to be able to look at local for hostiles, because he will have not time to show info on everyone... oh wait.

Well, mission runners should not be expected to have to work together because miners never work together to speed things up and for greater protection... oh wait.

Well, it's counter productive for more than one person to run that mission because one person should be set up to do the mission, grab the loot, and salvage all of the components... oh wait.

I certainly can't have the person that is going to salvage everything wait on the other side of the acceleration gate cloaked to let me know if I need to run because a pirate is coming through... oh wait.

But this is so unfair, because no one could ever scan me out during a mission before this patch... oh wait.

Honestly people, get out of the noob corps and start working together. Mission running has been an incredibly solitary play style, and in high security that is fine. But in low security it doesn't work very well to be a lone wolf mission runner. I have hopes that the new contract system (among other things) will make it easier to do missions as a group. But really, the whole key to this game is working together, and having a lot of fun doing it.

Once you learn this, you will slowly stop thinking like a victim and realize that maybe, just maybe, you have the skills to kick some butt with your friends when necessary.

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Originally by: Nightwings

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First off let me say I have nothing against piracy. Love it being a part of the game. I understand when you go into low-sec space be prepared to lose your ship.

BUT, I don't like the pvp part of this game, so I don't do much of it. I Do like the mission running. I do lots of it. I run them out of a 0.5 sec area, with some missions taking me into a 0.4 area 1 jump away. I always went prepared with stabs. Since the patch, my 3 stabs raise my targeting time to 2 and 3 minutes for lock-on. So, I took them off knowing that I would only have to worry about gatecamping. But now with the new scanning equipment, pirates can find you while you are on a mission. And yes, I got jumped in the middle of Tech Secret3, killed and podded.

This is the end of just about Anyone running missions solo in low-sec space. Me included. Unless I can a bunch of sensor upgrades on top of everything else in my ship I don't see how it can be done solo.

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Originally by: Opai McTwist

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I believe one of the big downfalls that a mission runner is looking at is that the mission runner has to kit for PvE, not PvP.

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Originally by: Caedicus

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People are whining that the new scanner changes will "empty" low-sec space. My question is SO WHAT!!?!?! If all they were doing in low-sec was missioning in the first place, what difference will it make!? It's not like you were interacting with them before. The only difference is you will see a lower number in your local window. OMG IS THIS IS SOO TERRIBLE, SOMEBODY HOLD MY HAND.

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Originally by: Lustre

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Originally by: Malena Panic

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Originally by: Sheeba IV

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stuff

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Stuff. It's Massively Multiplayer, after all.

I really think that the underlying issue here isn't scan-times vs. warning, or low-sec risk vs. reward, but solo play vs. teamwork. Play as a team and you will be much more successful.

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You know how in real life, some people prefer to do things alone? Walk in the woods. Go surfing. Paint a picture. Cook a good meal. RL is massively multiplayer too... but sometimes, people just like doing things solo.

A painting by Picasso sold for $149m a few weeks ago... that was a very successful solo effort by any account. No team could have matched Picasso's brilliance and produced a piece of such exquisite beauty. Of course, a single individual stuck his elbow through it and nullified the sale - another spectacular solo effort. My point is, it doesn't take a team to do things well, although sometimes it does.

This whole argument about mission-runners having to form gangs is becoming boring. Sometimes we like to play solo - there is enough risk inherent in the mission in lo-sec. Just getting there is a challenge - remember that most gate-gank killings have always happened when people jump in, not out.

Besides, massively multiplayer refers to the universe, not the individual play styles.

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Originally by: Abyss Jack

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and why should missionrunners do their stuff without interuption? Lets look at the other professions:
-complex farming: some1 got the key befor you, you have to wait
-belt ratting: ganker squad jumps in, you have to hang on ultrasave/station or logoff
-mining: same as ratting
-pvp: your gang got outnumbert, hang on till backup arrive or just forget about fighting

and now Missionrunning:
they can do it forever and ever without a break, but right thats fair...? Listen to yourself, you dont enjoy to do missions every day 23/7 for fun, you enjoy the farmable profit there...

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Originally by: Apollo Balthar

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OMG, risk vs. reward....

You want easy missions you can do solo ? go do lvl 3's in empire.
The Hoover dam isn't built by picasso either to use your own example. Missions with 100+ hostile ships shouldn't be solo'd, period...
I do agree that the system to do missions in groups might be better (shared LP and such) but for the rest it has been easy money for waaaaaaay too long allready.

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Originally by: Baddias Mongo

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Lowsec will not become deserted because of this, the incompetent carebears will cry off back to empire, those that can be bothered to put in the effort to protect themselves will do fine and stay.

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Originally by: Xaildaine

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Its hardly right to call someone who actulay wants to make money an incompetent carebear.
He would be incompetent if he thought he could make enough money to cover the loss of ships on a regular basis by mission running.
Moveing to Highsec shows that he can accutately judge the risk vs the reward of staying in lowsec.

I think you over estimate the reward of living in lowsec compared to the risk/effort required.

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Originally by: Baddias Mongo

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Originally by: Xaildaine

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Its hardly right to call someone who actulay wants to make money an incompetent carebear.
He would be incompetent if he thought he could make enough money to cover the loss of ships on a regular basis by mission running.
Moveing to Highsec shows that he can accutately judge the risk vs the reward of staying in lowsec.

I think you over estimate the reward of living in lowsec compared to the risk/effort required.

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Those that wish to make money in low-sec who make the effort to be aware of whats happening around them will do well and prosper.

Those that want to make money in low-sec soloing oblivious to whats happening around them will inevitably do badly and move back to high-sec where they belong.

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Originally by: Baddias Mongo

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Originally by: Xaildaine

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Its hardly right to call someone who actulay wants to make money an incompetent carebear.
He would be incompetent if he thought he could make enough money to cover the loss of ships on a regular basis by mission running.
Moveing to Highsec shows that he can accutately judge the risk vs the reward of staying in lowsec.

I think you over estimate the reward of living in lowsec compared to the risk/effort required.

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Those that wish to make money in low-sec who make the effort to be aware of whats happening around them will do well and prosper.

Those that want to make money in low-sec soloing oblivious to whats happening around them will inevitably do badly and move back to high-sec where they belong.

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Originally by: Akallabeth Avaria

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The problem is that there is group of people that enjoy doing missions and play the EVE this way. ATM these people are efectively denied what they like to do and are forced to play the game the way that CCP/other EVE groups think the game should be played, which is wrong.

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Originally by: Malena Panic

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Did you know that there are some groups of people who only do PvE in PvP-fitted ships? Scramblers and all. It's a tactical choice like most other things in this game.

Lv4s now too hard for your non-optimized setup? Bring a friend and share the reward. It's Massively Multiplayer, after all.

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