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Michael Ruckert Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando 330	Posted - 2015.07.14 02:06:55 - [1] - Quote Did someone say solo in EVE was dead? Scroll down to next-to-last chart in link. http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-kills-of-2014-overview_14.html And by a large margin too. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Jenshae Chiroptera 1881	Posted - 2015.07.14 02:19:31 - [2] - Quote Hyper dunking. Newbie duelling. Miner ganking. Anti-tackle. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Starbuck05 Pretty Hate Machine. Symmetric Symbiosis 266	Posted - 2015.07.14 09:09:29 - [3] - Quote I would say that nr divided by 3 is the actual nr of actual solo pvp kills... Cause lets face it.. Most of those ",solo kills " are gotten by people who smartbomb pods -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ??
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 178	Posted - 2015.07.14 09:38:03 - [4] - Quote Most likely miner-ganking and lowsec smartbombing makes the biggest part of the solo kills. However, when people yell that "solo is dead", they often mean that a single ship, supported by three Logistics and two offgrid T3 boosters is hardly "solo", but will show up as such in any statistic. Only a very small part of the kills involving only one shooter are actually from fights where one single guy in one single combat ship fights another guy in a combat ship. These graphs and tables are as useful as every statistic that guy makes ever: Not at all.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1280	Posted - 2015.07.14 10:50:03 - [5] - Quote Oh, look who is the #1 elite PvP corp! the Code ALWAYS wins
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 38688	Posted - 2015.07.14 11:20:28 - [6] - Quote I may have a different view on things but I think it underestimates the true rate of solo pvp. Anytime a rat has engaged someone (eg. Inside FW complexes) the kills record as not solo, even when a fight really was a solo pvp kill. So there are a lot of kills occurring in lowsec that have 2 ships as aggressors when it is a 1v1 fight. So the figures, to a degree, under record the amount of solo pvp occurring. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Renegade Heart Carebear Miners R Us 464	Posted - 2015.07.14 11:39:30 - [7] - Quote But EvE is not a solo game!
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 344	Posted - 2015.07.14 11:39:48 - [8] - Quote Starbuck05 wrote: I would say that nr divided by 3 is the actual nr of actual solo pvp kills... Cause lets face it.. Most of those ",solo kills " are gotten by people who smartbomb pods This, or the classic... "Solo with 3 guardian neutral alts" in Highsec. What I find shocking was how many Ishtars/Vexor/Navy Vex died last year... I mean they were invincible last year right, which is why we nerfed all drone mods and sentries? Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Jenshae Chiroptera 1888	Posted - 2015.07.14 14:53:15 - [9] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Oh, look who is the #1 elite PvP corp! Even the birds don't care. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11783	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:01:39 - [10] - Quote From the article: Quote: 75T damage was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space. Just posting this here so that I dear high sec ~~partisans~~ friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work. You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 926	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:05:58 - [11] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Hyper dunking. Newbie duelling. Miner ganking. Anti-tackle. Though hyperdunking can not be done solo, it needs a second character to deploy ships. TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 181	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:21:38 - [12] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: What I find shocking was how many Ishtars/Vexor/Navy Vex died last year... I mean they were invincible last year right, which is why we nerfed all drone mods and sentries? After a year of everyone and their mother flying Ishtars and Tengus, what did you expect to have died the most? Surely not Drakes or Hurricanes I presume. (Hint: Only ships flown can get shot down.)
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 929	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:30:32 - [13] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: What I find shocking was how many Ishtars/Vexor/Navy Vex died last year... I mean they were invincible last year right, which is why we nerfed all drone mods and sentries? After a year of everyone and their mother flying Ishtars and Tengus, what did you expect to have died the most? Surely not Drakes or Hurricanes I presume. (Hint: Only ships flown can get shot down.) Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Though hyperdunking can not be done solo, it needs a second character to deploy ships. That won't appear on the killmail and thus not on the statistic. Therefore it counts as "solo". For you, yes. For every THINKING person who knows it can not be done solo, it doesn't. It's like saying you went on a roam and killed people solo, with your ogb and logi alts. TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 181	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:35:04 - [14] - Quote You don't have to explain it to me. I don't consider it a solo kill, which is why I don't think this statistic is worth jack ****. Solo is still dead.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6364	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:35:45 - [15] - Quote Wait a sec. Did someone just cite Gevlon as a source and they were being serious? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Just because his "stats" say it's so, doesn't mean it's actually so. Good luck finding all that solo PvP. The quickest route to it is climbing into a terrible fit frigate and flying into a blob. When one of them oneshots you, congrats, you just died in solo PvP. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Jenshae Chiroptera 1888	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:36:56 - [16] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: ... Though hyperdunking can not be done solo, it needs a second character to deploy ships. Yes ... Post being how the solo stats are grossly inflated and useless. Jenn aSide wrote: Just posting this here so that I dear high sec ~~partisans~~ friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null ... Plenty of little frigates roaming around Null Sec and orbiting FW plexes. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 181	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:37:09 - [17] - Quote Rip
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1295	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:45:17 - [18] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Oh, look who is the #1 elite PvP corp! Even the birds don't care. Sounds like from a bad looser who did not made it under the top ten. the Code ALWAYS wins
Jenshae Chiroptera 1888	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:46:48 - [19] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: .. Sounds like from a bad looser who did not made it under the top ten. Those goggles filling up with delicious salty tears again? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 345	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:55:22 - [20] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: From the article: Quote: 75T damage was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space. Just posting this here so that I dear high sec ~~partisans~~ friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work. You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring. Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1296	Posted - 2015.07.14 15:58:53 - [21] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: .. Sounds like from a bad looser who did not made it under the top ten. Those goggles filling up with delicious salty tears again? Wait... your corp is not even on that list! the Code ALWAYS wins
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 181	Posted - 2015.07.14 16:07:35 - [22] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a ** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec True. Another point where the statistic is misleading at best. Nullsec PvP may yield more total damage in the end, but many of the ships lost in null are meant for PvP and unironically already replaced when they are lost (SRP 'n **.). They can be seen as mere ammunition. People go into a big brawl knowing, that stuff on all sides will explode.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11784	Posted - 2015.07.14 16:08:05 - [23] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: From the article: Quote: 75T damage was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space. Just posting this here so that I dear high sec ~~partisans~~ friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work. You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring. lol, 'real pvp', because smashing buttons in a video game makes you a man I guess. Not surprising that you'd miss the point, but here it is again: The people (high sec people) who like to point at the star map (that just lights up with kills but doesn't tell you the circumstances) and proclaim that high sec is THE main event in EVE, they are wrong, that crown belongs to null (you know, that space with a FRACTION of high sec's population), with low sec in second place. Don't get mad at me because your favorite space is a runner-up in the "who more important to the game economically" race, it'll be ok, you just need to kill more stuff
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1296	Posted - 2015.07.14 16:18:42 - [24] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring. But it is ISK damage and not HP damage. Go on, make something else up to discredit the list. the Code ALWAYS wins
Neuntausend Rens Nursing Home 181	Posted - 2015.07.14 16:38:45 - [25] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: But it is ISK damage and not HP damage. Go on, make something else up to discredit the list. Titans.
Stitch Kaneland Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 405	Posted - 2015.07.14 16:44:42 - [26] - Quote I dont care much for the data here. I however will say that real solo pvp'rs do exist, as I am one. No links, alts, scouts, HG tank implants etc. I do use an HG jackal set in one of my clones to help defend against ECM for minny ships bit thats pretty much it. Now i cant fight 20 ppl in a BS like is portrayed in videos of people using links, but i am able to hold my own in most 1v1 to 1v5's. Just about dividing and conquering. I roam null and low. Sometimes get the occasional fight from a WT in HS. Regardless though, solo pvp is not dead. Just most people dont know how or care to do it. I used to be in nullblobs, but it was boring and too easy. Then started joining home d fleets and that was a lot more fun as it was a smaller group of people to fight against. Then that became too easy. So i roamed solo. To those that reference EVE as an MMO, and say its supposed to be gang fights is dumb. Its a sandbox, we play it how we want. Regardless if i am playing solo, i am still interacting with other people and not NPCs. Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
Saisin Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp Chao3 Alliance 269	Posted - 2015.07.14 16:52:13 - [27] - Quote Stitch Kaneland wrote: To those that reference EVE as an MMO, and say its supposed to be gang fights is dumb. Its a sandbox, we play it how we want. Regardless if i am playing solo, i am still interacting with other people and not NPCs. Well said! Regarding the numbers from the blog referenced by the OP, I can say that even if I am also playing solo, my fleet composition is rarely only one pilot. I do not know if the data means only one pilot on the kill mail or if this really account for fleet size at the time of the kill. "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope...
Jenshae Chiroptera 1888	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:09:21 - [28] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Those goggles filling up with delicious salty tears again? Wait... your corp is not even on that list! Jenn aSide wrote: lol, 'real pvp', because smashing buttons in a video game makes you a man I guess. (I always imagine Jenn as one of those plump guys who keeps hitching his pants closer to his arm pits over his stomach, that corners people at parties to try explain to them how Jenn sees the world). CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 345	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:18:56 - [29] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring. But it is ISK damage and not HP damage. Go on, make something else up to discredit the list. Her quote directly claimed DAMAGE. Also, same applies. A Titan is going to cost more than 20 bling fit marauders... nothing in Highsec can get remotely close to the isk/HP of null. But continue to spin please, it is amusing seeing CODE coming to Jenn's defense... again Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 930	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:22:30 - [30] - Quote I like how this escalated. TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 930	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:25:24 - [31] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: .. Sounds like from a bad looser who did not made it under the top ten. Those goggles filling up with delicious salty tears again? Wait... your corp is not even on that list! Personally I am not impressed. It's only the stupid who are impressed by the HUGE NUMBERS. Those easily tricked into believing that it's a big achievement to kill one thing worth a billion, compared to one thousand things worth a million. Gigantic difference, much more to be proud of. Though I fully understand that below-average people from reddit and all the other people who lack education and concentration easily fall for numbers like that. TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11787	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:33:46 - [32] - Quote lol, when the message diverges from your belief system, attack the messenger. Because You surely can't attack the message ,that message being null sec accounted for twice the isk value of ships items destroyed than high sec in EVE Online according to zkillboard, despite having 1/5th or so the character population of high sec. I get it, you don't much like the information, you know that info (and the fact that you hold an opinion contrary to this information) says bad things about how you think. It's ok, be mad at me, blame me, take it out on some random dude on the internet talking about a video game rather than fix your incorrect way of thinking. Whatever you have to do to let your ego survive. Go ahead, I can take it, I deal with worse than you every night But none of that changes the truth, and you guys know it. And you're sitting there, in front of a computer screen of some type, knowing all I just said is true (and more importantly, you know what your reaction means about you as a person). It probably makes you feel bad, and I'm sorry for that, but you brought it on your self because no one made you post in this place, or display incorrect thinking in the 1st place.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11787	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:36:37 - [33] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: Her quote directly claimed DAMAGE. Link here the post where I used the word damage in this thread. Or did you misunderstand the phrase 'destruction engine' lol. Go ahead, we'll wait.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6365	Posted - 2015.07.14 18:10:30 - [34] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: Her quote directly claimed DAMAGE. Link here the post where I used the word damage in this thread. Or did you misunderstand the phrase 'destruction engine' lol. Go ahead, we'll wait. Jenn aSide wrote: From the article: Quote: 75T *damage* was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space. Just posting this here so that I dear high sec ~~partisans~~ friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work. You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about It was here, FYI. Jenn, stop being terrible. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11787	Posted - 2015.07.14 18:26:51 - [35] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: Her quote directly claimed DAMAGE. Link here the post where I used the word damage in this thread. Or did you misunderstand the phrase 'destruction engine' lol. Go ahead, we'll wait. Jenn aSide wrote: From the article: Quote: 75T *damage* was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space. Just posting this here so that I dear high sec ~~partisans~~ friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work. You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about It was here, FYI. Jenn, stop being terrible. I misunderstood what he was saying, easy to do when he gets everything else wrong. With that out of the way, we can all agree now that (at least according to the info provided in the article which is verifiable through zkillboard) that null sec is responsible for twice as much isk value killed than the safe region of new eden (high sec) that has something like 5 times as many characters, which in turn kills all that silly talk about how null isn't economically important compared to high sec that has been making the rounds on this forum the last few weeks?
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 345	Posted - 2015.07.14 18:43:06 - [36] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Jenn, stop being terrible. I misunderstood what he was saying, easy to do when he gets everything else wrong. With that out of the way, we can all agree now that (at least according to the info provided in the article which is verifiable through zkillboard) that null sec is responsible for twice as much isk value killed than the safe region of new eden (high sec) that has something like 5 times as many characters, which in turn kills all that silly talk about how null isn't economically important compared to high sec that has been making the rounds on this forum the last few weeks? But you are arguing against something that doesn't exist. No one said that Null sec isn't economically important. No one said that there isn't kills there. And no one said any of which you are arguing about. Null is important, so is High sec, so is low sec. But if you want to know where the isk/population ratio is highest it is WH space based on your numbers, followed distantly by low sec. You are assuming with your argument that all 5x of those players you are calling out are anything more than trading alts, station bots, non-used alts. You have no idea how many people are undocked and active... except in WH space. All the players in WH space (minus Thera) are undocked. But anyways, I still have a hard time taking you serious when you literally made up an argument against a premise that was never once in this thread, or credibly in others mentioned. All parts of Eve are economically important. Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Jenshae Chiroptera 1891	Posted - 2015.07.14 19:16:35 - [37] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Don't like the taste of your own posting style? Market McSelling Alt wrote: .... you are arguing against something that doesn't exist. No one said that Null sec isn't economically important. No one said that there isn't kills there. And no one said any of which you are arguing about. ... Yup. I often laugh at various groups, like you get these tourists that come into Providence and score a few kills off some miners ** that re-shipped and stroke themselves silly or you get some alliance that declares a war and brags about a billion in destroyed assets. Multiple week wars that don't even reach the destruction of one battle. People don't even form up or make any effort to fight them because it is so inconsequential. (Miners tend to be low on ship fitting skills and combat skills, so even if they are in combat ships it is hardly ever approaching alliance tournament standards). CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow** Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
V1P3RR Goonswarm Federation 23	Posted - 2015.07.15 01:55:07 - [38] - Quote I`m wondering how much of that lowsec damage in isk is just nerds in supers/titans getting ganked :)
Renegade Heart Carebear Miners R Us 471	Posted - 2015.07.15 01:58:48 - [39] - Quote If one player can kill me then I foresee hard times ahead. Maybe i should join a corp after all. Looking 4 Guild
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1304	Posted - 2015.07.15 05:53:52 - [40] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Personally I am not impressed. It's only the stupid who are impressed by the HUGE NUMBERS. Those easily tricked into believing that it's a big achievement to kill one thing worth a billion, compared to one thousand things worth a million. Gigantic difference, much more to be proud of. Though I fully understand that below-average people from reddit and all the other people who lack education and concentration easily fall for numbers like that. Actually the best thing about this list is this thread, where every null-is-tha-endgame! and I-am-an-ebil-losec-pirat! die-hard is making some stuff up about why they don't care Just remember: The Code always wins! ALWAYS! Everyday! To add some fuel to this, the list with the pilots is out and it reads like a roster of New Order Agents: http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.nz/2015/07/the-kills-of-2014-pilots.html Fun fact: I created this toon in December 2013, started ganking in February 2014 and I still made it to #74 for 2014. Take this all you "new characters can never catch up with vets because SP"-whiners. the Code ALWAYS wins
Tiberius Heth Say No to Features 6	Posted - 2015.07.15 06:20:49 - [41] - Quote Not so sure that specifically picking on targets who can't shoot back while using throwaway alts is somehow similar to normal pvp or actual soloing, I wouldn't boast about it too much. Anyway. As already pointed out, the premise "solo isn't dead, see, look at these numbers" is silly. On top of that solo pvp is just fine, it's just very niche.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1304	Posted - 2015.07.15 06:36:50 - [42] - Quote Tiberius Heth wrote: Not so sure that specifically picking on targets who can't shoot back while using throwaway alts is somehow similar to normal pvp or actual soloing, I wouldn't boast about it too much. Anyway. As already pointed out, the premise "solo isn't dead, see, look at these numbers" is silly. On top of that solo pvp is just fine, it's just very niche. Don't cry only because you are not on that list. Also nice spin on the "throwaway alt"-myth. the Code ALWAYS wins
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6366	Posted - 2015.07.15 07:06:16 - [43] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Fun fact: I created this toon in December 2013, started ganking in February 2014 and I still made it to #74 for 2014. Take this all you "new characters can never catch up with vets because SP"-whiners. So in other word, yes, ganking is easy carebear PvP. We already knew this. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1168	Posted - 2015.07.15 07:32:03 - [44] - Quote Tiberius Heth wrote: Not so sure that specifically picking on targets who can't shoot back while using throwaway alts is somehow similar to normal pvp or actual soloing, I wouldn't boast about it too much. Anyway. As already pointed out, the premise "solo isn't dead, see, look at these numbers" is silly. On top of that solo pvp is just fine, it's just very niche. Why not? The top three of Gevlon Goblin's list are all elite solo PvPers who prey on "targets who can't shoot back": an accomplished pod hunter, a freighter-specialist wardeccer, and a suicide ganker who happens to also be the CEO of the most damage-dealing corporation in all of Eve. I have no idea where you get this naive idea that these kill don't count because they don't fit into whatever definition of PvP your mind has constructed to help you deal with your own under-performance. The good Goblin has "dewhored" in his words the killboards and revealed the sad truth: most supposed elite PvPers are just terrible, their killboards inflated by sharing the kills of their fleets but not sharing losses. What makes a player elite is not whoring on a titan kill in a rookie ship and then spending the rest of the year in a station so their killboard is 99.99% efficient, but it is going out day-after-day defeating other players in a contest of wills, blowing their ships up and affecting their game play. Don't tell me you do not suffer a loss because your freighter "couldn't shoot back" or that it doesn't matter that you lost a 4B ISK pod to an opponent because it can't fit a laser because it does matter. In fact, they are greater victories as they usually affect your opponent more than losing a throwaway T1 frigate the pilot had already written off when they started a roam. Ima Wreckyou is correct: new players can be highly effective in this game if they want to be. There are many ways to defeat your opponent, and often the most successful ones involve shooting them when they are in stuff that can't shoot back. Don't let those infected with this eBushido virus that seems all too prevalent in this player base brainwash you into thinking that those kills don't count - they affect the other player and the overall universe just as much, or more, than a fair duel at the sun.
Tiberius Heth Say No to Features 7	Posted - 2015.07.15 08:16:50 - [45] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Tiberius Heth wrote: Not so sure that specifically picking on targets who can't shoot back while using throwaway alts is somehow similar to normal pvp or actual soloing, I wouldn't boast about it too much. Anyway. As already pointed out, the premise "solo isn't dead, see, look at these numbers" is silly. On top of that solo pvp is just fine, it's just very niche. Why not? The top three of Gevlon Goblin's list are all elite solo PvPers who prey on "targets who can't shoot back" I can see why you and your alt would like to think that way.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 38700	Posted - 2015.07.15 08:52:30 - [46] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Fun fact: I created this toon in December 2013, started ganking in February 2014 and I still made it to #74 for 2014. Take this all you "new characters can never catch up with vets because SP"-whiners. So in other word, yes, ganking is easy carebear PvP. We already knew this. It's only as hard as the opponents make it, surely. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6368	Posted - 2015.07.15 08:58:22 - [47] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: I have no idea where you get this naive idea that these kill don't count because they don't fit into whatever definition of PvP your mind has constructed to help you deal with your own under-performance. Black Pedro wrote: What makes a player elite is not whoring on a titan kill in a rookie ship and then spending the rest of the year in a station so their killboard is 99.99% efficient, but it is going out day-after-day defeating other players in a contest of wills, blowing their ships up and affecting their game play. You do understand the difference though right? Between ganking and what one would consider "normal" PvP where both sides are able to fight. It's like if you walked into a bunch of nurseries and started punching little kids in the face. Sure, your knockout rate might exceed that of a professional boxer, but that doesn't make you elite at boxing. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with people choosing to gank. I fly with miniluv and I've taken part in at least 4 of the large ganking events, but pretending it's anything more than scoring easy kills against weak targets is pretty sad. Scipio Artelius wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Fun fact: I created this toon in December 2013, started ganking in February 2014 and I still made it to #74 for 2014. Take this all you "new characters can never catch up with vets because SP"-whiners. So in other word, yes, ganking is easy carebear PvP. We already knew this. It's only as hard as the opponents make it, surely. Not really. If the opponents make it hard then they just select a new opponent. There's always going to be someone at the bottom of the barrel. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1170	Posted - 2015.07.15 09:03:20 - [48] - Quote Tiberius Heth wrote: I can see why you and your alt would like to think that way. Forum alts! Throw-away alts! They're everywhere! Quit jumping at your own shadow friend - everything isn't a giant conspiracy. There are people out there who play the game differently from the honourable space-samurai simulator you seem to view Eve as.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1306	Posted - 2015.07.15 09:23:04 - [49] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: You do understand the difference though right? Between ganking and what one would consider "normal" PvP where both sides are able to fight. It's like if you walked into a bunch of nurseries and started punching little kids in the face. Sure, your knockout rate might exceed that of a professional boxer, but that doesn't make you elite at boxing. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with people choosing to gank. I fly with miniluv and I've taken part in at least 4 of the large ganking events, but pretending it's anything more than scoring easy kills against weak targets is pretty sad. By "normal" PvP you mean of course the PvP where you still pick the fight only when you are certain to win it but the "other team" is not protected by an invincible all powerful NPC fleet right? I am not sure how this is in any way a bigger challenge. I am also not sure why some people think carebears protected by an invincible all powerful NPC fleet are somehow defenceless and if they had guns that would actually change something. They are by no mean defenceless, they have all the game mechanics stacked in their favour. They just have a wrong sense of security, because they think no one is so elite that they can kill them before their automatic invincible all powerful NPC friends show up. You can cry as much as you want, and I speak to all the honourable wanabe spaceship-samurais here: Ganking in highsec is elite PvP and deep inside you know it! You are just too scared of CONCORD, that's why you stick with your easymode low-, worm- and null-PvP and pretend you are the real thing. I mean the only time we go to low, null and wormsec is if we want an easy time and some relaxing fights where the playing field is not stacked in our enemies favour. But the real business happens in Highsec, where the elite PvP is happening. the Code ALWAYS wins
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6368	Posted - 2015.07.15 09:37:33 - [50] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: By "normal" PvP you mean of course the PvP where you still pick the fight only when you are certain to win it but the "other team" is not protected by an invincible all powerful NPC fleet right? I am not sure how this is in any way a bigger challenge. By "normal" PvP I mean PvP in which both sides are actually ready and able to fight. If you can't tell the difference between blowing up a mining barge and the alliance tournament for example then there's no hope for you. Ima Wreckyou wrote: I am also not sure why some people think carebears protected by an invincible all powerful NPC fleet are somehow defenceless and if they had guns that would actually change something. They are by no mean defenceless, they have all the game mechanics stacked in their favour. They most certainly do not have the mechanics stacked in their favour since they're predictable mechanics which you will have already accounted for before you engage. All they give you is a time limit, nothing more. It's quite obvious your being deliberately obtuse here. Anyone with an ounce of sense can tell the difference between the carebear PvP you choose to focus on and players who are legitimately good in combat. The part I find most amusing is you think your different from the carebears you insult so much, yet you're exactly the same. You want easy kills and any suggestion of CCP adding anything to make that challenging pushes you into unfathomable rage. Personally I like games to challenge me, but I guess that's not for everyone. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1170	Posted - 2015.07.15 09:54:57 - [51] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: You do understand the difference though right? Between ganking and what one would consider "normal" PvP where both sides are able to fight. It's like if you walked into a bunch of nurseries and started punching little kids in the face. Sure, your knockout rate might exceed that of a professional boxer, but that doesn't make you elite at boxing. Lucas, you very well know I have you blocked on these forums. Responding directly to me is like forum ganking me! It's not "regular" forum PvP because I am defenseless and can't respond! Lol. I will say this. If you are trapped on an PvP island (coded by a bunch of ruthless Icelanders) with a limited food supply and you want to "win", your best bet is to walk into the local island nursery and start punching children and taking their stuff, especially if those children have shinies useful to you. Eve is not a boxing simulator. It is an open-world PvP game specifically designed to promote conflict and make the most efficient path to success sometimes the more morally dubious one. If you want to beat the other players, it is often prudent to strike them when they are the least prepared. Beating other players is what makes one an elite PvPer. Putting yourself in a situation where you are have an apparently even match, but not too even because you still think you will win, so you can just eek out a win and feel good about yourself is not elite PvP. It may be fun, but the most effective way to beat your opponents it ain't. All this obsession with fair (but not too fair) fights pushed by the honourble warriors has lead to people stacking their killboards which thankfully, the good Goblin was able to develop algorithms to see through such nonsense. It's sad that when Gevlon lifted the veil, most of these self-professed elite PvPers turned out to actually have no clothes.
Tiberius Heth Say No to Features 8	Posted - 2015.07.15 10:08:22 - [52] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Tiberius Heth wrote: I can see why you and your alt would like to think that way. Forum alts! Throw-away alts! They're everywhere! Quit jumping at your own shadow friend - everything isn't a giant conspiracy. There are people out there who play the game differently from the honourable space-samurai simulator you seem to view Eve as. No problem with that but lets be honest: CODE and their butt buddies are nothing more than 0.0 clowns who are so scared/** that they have to be part of a massive coalition to hide behind and blue everyone on the server just so they can grind peace, and then (obviously) start getting bored because "there's no one to fight" (no , you're part of a group who blued everyone). So they make alts (like yours) to pvp with but because they're still scared/** they thus choose to then attack people whom they know can't attack back. Still terrible, still bad. You're one of them. That's all fine, if you enjoy it go for it, but don't for one second think that it's not obvious. There's no point in lying about it, not even to yourself. All you can really do is itrollu.jpg and as always it's terrible.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1308	Posted - 2015.07.15 10:56:37 - [53] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: By "normal" PvP you mean of course the PvP where you still pick the fight only when you are certain to win it but the "other team" is not protected by an invincible all powerful NPC fleet right? I am not sure how this is in any way a bigger challenge. By "normal" PvP I mean PvP in which both sides are actually ready and able to fight. If you can't tell the difference between blowing up a mining barge and the alliance tournament for example then there's no hope for you. The one is obviously elite PvP in the sandbox and the other is a setup arena battle that has nothing at all to do with EVE online except for the ships used. The sandbox is part of the PvP in EVE. If you don't accept that then you have a wrong expectation of what EVE is how it should be played. It's like you play chess but you pretend only the people who play it with checkers rules are the real thing. Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: I am also not sure why some people think carebears protected by an invincible all powerful NPC fleet are somehow defenceless and if they had guns that would actually change something. They are by no mean defenceless, they have all the game mechanics stacked in their favour. They most certainly do not have the mechanics stacked in their favour since they're predictable mechanics which you will have already accounted for before you engage. All they give you is a time limit, nothing more. Yes, to prepare yourself for battle and to know every detail of the game mechanics is a characteristic of an elite PvP player. It does not matter in what space this is. The ganker is obviously prepared and the target if he dies wasn't. The target could have used a gazillion of strategies to avoid or counter the gank, he did not, he was unprepared, he is probably bad at EVE, he did not consider the sandbox. Lucas Kell wrote: It's quite obvious your being deliberately obtuse here. Anyone with an ounce of sense can tell the difference between the carebear PvP you choose to focus on and players who are legitimately good in combat. The part I find most amusing is you think your different from the carebears you insult so much, yet you're exactly the same. You want easy kills and any suggestion of CCP adding anything to make that challenging pushes you into unfathomable rage. Personally I like games to challenge me, but I guess that's not for everyone. If you like the challenge, then why do you only favour easymode PvP outside of Highsec? I don't care if you call me a carebare or whatever, that alone is no argument. There are a ton of tools and methods how you can interrupt and deny a gank since they happen on a playing field which is stacked completely in the favour of the gankee. Yet you still cry for CCPs help all the time. Not even are such people carebears, they are simply bad players. They suck so hard at EVE, they don't even manage to win with an invincible all powerfull NPC force on their side. All they do is whine in the forums, just like you. the Code ALWAYS wins
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6368	Posted - 2015.07.15 10:56:38 - [54] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Beating other players is what makes one an elite PvPer. Beating the best makes you an elite PvPer. Fighting up against seemingly insurmountable odds and yet winning makes you an elite PvPer. Farming noobs does not. Like I say, there's nothing wrong with choosing that style of play, but claiming it's any more elite than a PvE carebear is just plain wrong. You opt to avoid a challenge which gives you a much bigger return and you whine when suggestions are put in place to add challenge to your playstyle. That does not make you elite. It makes you a carebear. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6368	Posted - 2015.07.15 11:08:32 - [55] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: It does not matter in what space this is. The ganker is obviously prepared and the target if he dies wasn't. The target could have used a gazillion of strategies to avoid or counter the gank, he did not, he was unprepared, he is probably bad at EVE, he did not consider the sandbox. Here it is. So you are admitting that when a gank target dies it's because he's bad at EVE, thus the players you target are bad at EVE. You aren't elite simply by beating the people at the bottom of the ladder. Ima Wreckyou wrote: If you like the challenge, then why do you only favour easymode PvP outside of Highsec? I don't favour one style or another. I fly with miniluv for highsec ganking, I run with spectre when I want lowsec gudfites and I head out with null groups when I want to mindlessly press F1 while watching TV. Outside of that I set myself goals and challenges frequently, but to be quite honest EVE isn't really a challenging game for the most part. What I don't do though is gank a bunch of noobs then sit around screaming "look at how elite I am!". Ima Wreckyou wrote: Yet you still cry for CCPs help all the time. I dont; cry for CCPs help. When a gank occurs I'm generally on your side of it. What I want from CCP is challenging gameplay. Ganking is easy, like ridiculously easy. Much like how I want to see mining be more of a challenge than just "lazor rocks = profit", I want to see ganking require thought and effort, not just a spreadsheet and the F1 key. The problem if you're too overly defensive about me claiming your aren't elite to actually pay attention to what gets posted, so you have no idea about what I want. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Jenshae Chiroptera 1912	Posted - 2015.07.15 12:17:00 - [56] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: ... they don't fit into whatever definition of PvP your mind has constructed ... Versus - working in opposition to one another. In other words, two parties working directly against each other. PVP is not the same as PNP (Predator and Prey) and that is why we look down our noses at them. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Misunderstood Genius Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2015.07.15 12:45:56 - [57] - Quote Solo PvP is irrelevant in EVE. You can run around in an Interceptor like crazy to look for some random and easy kills and call it solo PvP. You can roam in a Battleship and with some random luck not to die within the next hour and you can call it solo PvP. You can run all the time in Battlecruisers around the hot areas, jumping blindly into gatecamps without any kills at the end but tons of losses and you can call it solo PvP. You make a nice video of your best 20 kills without showing the 200 painful and typical losses to make everyone believe you might be an awesome solo PvPer. People killing 12.000 pods in their cloaky stabbed Proteus call themselves "the best solo PvPer in EVE" because they don't see the difference between easy quantity and complicated quality. People fly three characters and they call it "advanced solo PvP" because you have to deal with three accounts at the same time with the risk of three losses at one time. Other people just call it "Pussy PvP". All this shows: solo PvP is completely bullshit and irrelevant in EVE because EVE is a MMORPG and not a Single Solo Online Role Play Game. It's finally just a lame epeen thing. Nothing else. Who cares? WHO CARES?
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1172	Posted - 2015.07.15 13:01:58 - [58] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Black Pedro wrote: ... they don't fit into whatever definition of PvP your mind has constructed ... Versus - working in opposition to one another. In other words, two parties working directly against each other. PVP is not the same as PNP (Predator and Prey) and that is why we look down our noses at them. Of course it is. One player is playing the predator, and one is taking the role of the prey. These two players have opposing goals and winning conditions, and they battle it out in the game universe. It is the very definition of player vs. player. More importantly, this type of game play is specifically enabled by CCP. Suicide ganking is in the game on purpose. Baiting, tricking, surprising, blobbing, camping and so forth are enabled and even encouraged by CCP by a whole host of game mechanics and modules they have added to the game. No wonder you seem so unhappy all the time - you are not playing the game you think, or at least want, to be playing.
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 354	Posted - 2015.07.15 13:08:48 - [59] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Black Pedro wrote: ... they don't fit into whatever definition of PvP your mind has constructed ... Versus - working in opposition to one another. In other words, two parties working directly against each other. PVP is not the same as PNP (Predator and Prey) and that is why we look down our noses at them. Of course it is. One player is playing the predator, and one is taking the role of the prey. These two players have opposing goals and winning conditions, and they battle it out in the game universe. It is the very definition of player vs. player. More importantly, this type of game play is specifically enabled by CCP. Suicide ganking is in the game on purpose. Baiting, tricking, surprising, blobbing, camping and so forth are enabled and even encouraged by CCP by a whole host of game mechanics and modules they have added to the game. No wonder you seem so unhappy all the time - you are not playing the game you think, or at least want, to be playing. Far more satisfying to have PvP be Predator v Predator... may the best win. What you are calling PvP is simply an arcade game of target practice vs game mechanics. Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Jenshae Chiroptera 1922	Posted - 2015.07.15 13:11:06 - [60] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: ... What you are calling PvP is simply an arcade game of target practice vs game mechanics. Yup. CCP serves up victims on a silver platter and people get all smug about how many hot dogs they can shove down their throats. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Stitch Kaneland Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 414	Posted - 2015.07.15 13:33:34 - [61] - Quote Misunderstood Genius wrote: All this shows: solo PvP is completely bullshit and irrelevant in EVE because EVE is a MMORPG and not a Single Solo Online Role Play Game. It's finally just a lame epeen thing. Nothing else. Who cares? WHO CARES? Apparently you do with that nice block of rant. Show us on doll where the bad solo pvp'r touched you. So.. let me get this straight. Flying solo and fighting PEOPLE or MULTIPLE PEOPLE (not NPCs) does not qualify as PvP in an MMORPG? How am i not interacting with other people when i kill them, or they kill me? Is that not THE definition of PvP in an MMORPG? Or do you think the only pvp that should exist is sitting in nullblobs for 5 hours bashing a structure (NPC) and then getting blue balled because the opposing fleet chickens out? Or waiting for hours for your fleet to form up for a "fight" only to find out its a TCU/SBU grindfest (again more npc structures). Or finally, you get a fight with another fleet and then instead of a 45min slugfest, its a 8 hour tidi induced cripple fight? Pull your head out of your ass, some people got tired of blob fleets because they're boring and not the kind of PvP everyone enjoys. Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
Jenshae Chiroptera 1927	Posted - 2015.07.15 13:46:27 - [62] - Quote Stitch Kaneland wrote: ... So.. let me get this straight. ... I won't lie. I envy those players who jump a ship solo through a gate, burn away from the gate and kill a gang (or most of it) solo. I do not have the twitch reflexes for playing like that. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 357	Posted - 2015.07.15 13:49:14 - [63] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Stitch Kaneland wrote: ... So.. let me get this straight. ... I won't lie. I envy those players who jump a ship solo through a gate, burn away from the gate and kill a gang (or most of it) solo. I do not have the twitch reflexes for playing like that. Don't forget they are doing this with Fraps running 60fps, listening to really cool music under their comms channel and have a billion chat windows open Me... I just do the small gang stuff, and usually die when that Small v Small turns into Small v Small + 100 neutral Logi Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1172	Posted - 2015.07.15 15:53:01 - [64] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: Far more satisfying to have PvP be Predator v Predator... may the best win. What you are calling PvP is simply an arcade game of target practice vs game mechanics. Nah, far too simplistic a view. Sure, evenly matched battles can be satisfying, but they are not intrinsically more interesting than more lopsided contests. There can be great satisfaction in stalking and finally catching and blobbing that elusive target who has been dodging you for weeks, just as there can be in sneaking your transport through a gate camp or baiting that suicide ganker into attacking your linked hulk, or just warping of as a squad of gankers lands on grid. Elite PvP is about beating other players. If someone decides to recklessly expose themselves in order to enrich themselves, it is your duty as an Eve player to call them on that and enforce the risk vs. reward design of the game. Elite PvP is about most affecting the gameplay of your opponent, not putzing around in inconsequential but dazzling duels, or random roams with evenly-matched and like-minded space samurai. And it is definitely not about jacking up your killboard with shared kills as so many of the supposed "elite" have been doing. All of Eve is "Predator v Predator... may the best win". We are all ruthless and predatory demi-gods who are battling for limited resources in New Eden. You do not get to opt out of this competition just because you feel like pumping resources into the economy that day, resources that will make me poorer overall, and you a stronger opponent in the future. I am going to try to stop you from gathering those resources, and you will try to get away with them. That is the game CCP has designed, and an interesting one at that, and it is the one that we are all playing together.
Anselme Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.07.15 15:55:59 - [65] - Quote Solo PvP has been dead for years. Everybody knows that. You need to pledge fealty to the overlords of Eve if you want to be allowed to PvP.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1319	Posted - 2015.07.15 17:04:07 - [66] - Quote Anselme wrote: Solo PvP has been dead for years. Everybody knows that. You need to pledge fealty to the overlords of Eve if you want to be allowed to PvP. How would you know? You are an NPC alt the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Vadik Volkov Nitestalkers 0	Posted - 2015.07.15 17:09:44 - [67] - Quote LOL Eve players arguing about "elite PVP". CCP shouldn't be given the honor of using that term.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1958	Posted - 2015.07.15 23:37:02 - [68] - Quote Vadik Volkov wrote: ... CCP shouldn't be given the honor of using that term. The best games for playing against others: - Snooker - Go - EVE - Descent. You want to try tell me that Tiddly-Winks, Beer-Pong or Waste of Web are the pinnacles of "elite PVP" games? CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 974	Posted - 2015.07.16 00:21:13 - [69] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Vadik Volkov wrote: ... CCP shouldn't be given the honor of using that term. The best games for playing against others: - Snooker - Go - EVE - Descent. You want to try tell me that Tiddly-Winks, Beer-Pong or Waste of Web are the pinnacles of "elite PVP" games? We need to find an online Go and PLAY ! TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jenshae Chiroptera 1961	Posted - 2015.07.16 00:58:13 - [70] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: We need to find an online Go and PLAY ! http://www.gokgs.com/ CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 975	Posted - 2015.07.16 01:05:39 - [71] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Angelica Dreamstar wrote: We need to find an online Go and PLAY ! http://www.gokgs.com/ That's not usable on mobile. Though it's a good start! I'll check the android market (you don't have an iPhone do you?) tomorrow as well! Awesome! PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Jenshae Chiroptera 1962	Posted - 2015.07.16 01:09:12 - [72] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: That's not usable on mobile. Though it's a good start! I'll check the android market (you don't have an iPhone do you?) tomorrow as well! They do have a mobile application but I can't tell you much about it, as I replaced my cell phone with a camera and an alarm clock, since that is all the use I had for it. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Lugburz Piraholics Anonymous Stella Nova 6	Posted - 2015.10.10 06:37:36 - [73] - Quote Stitch Kaneland wrote: How am i not interacting with other people when i kill them Ahhh that did make me laugh. Solo PvP (the specific kind im talking about is one person, one toon) is not dead; just dont expect a sh*t ton of kills on your board and you gotta expect losses, i think this is where most people become disinterested with solo pvp - losses. There are many that seem to think your only 'good' at PvP when you have few losses: certainly this would be backed up by every killboard i can think of statistic wise (go look up well known solo pvpers boards). These are usually the people that call themselves 'elite pvpers' and typically do not solo unless theyre in a far superior ship than intended target. Most solo pvpers i know generally dont tend to term themselves as such mostly only being concerned with 'a solo' kill or linking a battlereport they did well in - and losses; whilst typing "gf" and "pod plz" in local. Anyway, not dead but would be nice to have an area for people to congregate in, which would be probably be brutalised by medium to large gangs; of course the only way to resolve that would be to have two corps set up as blue (in this instance meaning help if blue being attacked by a gang, fair game if not) - im not strictly a solo pvper though, i do like small gang stuff and flying ceptor for fleets also has its [PIRCS]
Hengle Teron Order In Disorder Virtus Crusade Protectorate 58343	Posted - 2015.10.10 16:39:12 - [74] - Quote You had to have one really durable shovel there.

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