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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 05:15:00 -
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I've heard rumors floating around that they are reducing the surveying skill req on salvaging to 4, can anyone point me to information confirming this?
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.12.01 06:38:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=432589
Check first post, its in the updated known issues, i.e they know its a bug and they're gonna sort it :)
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Gorek Loc
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Posted - 2006.12.01 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyano
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=432589
Check first post, its in the updated known issues, i.e they know its a bug and they're gonna sort it :)
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Ronan McByrne
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Posted - 2006.12.01 15:03:00 -
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Did not see it listed in Known issues
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Traak
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Posted - 2006.12.01 16:25:00 -
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I looked too and did not see anything.
Any other info on this?
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DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2006.12.01 17:16:00 -
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I just read the entire list of 'Known Issues' and I didn't see anything about lowering Salvage requirments.
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Gaul Cascade
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.01 17:46:00 -
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Have no fear, someone that actually bothers to login to Singularity instead of being a nub is here:
Same goes for the Salvager module - lvl 3 in Survey instead of 5. This will all go live on Tranquility next Tuesday, so stop training Survey 5.
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Malena
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:35:00 -
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Thank you Gaul, that helps a lot
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Yeggstry
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:57:00 -
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So much for salvaging being a profession.
A moronic and spineless change by CCP.
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Gaul Cascade
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:09:00 -
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Dunno bout that, Yeggstry. I think of salvaging more of a low-end job, something that really doesn't require much skill - from the player himself and skillpoints. Salvaging is just about checking wrecks for useful stuff, don't need to be a rocket scientist for it.
This all should make it easier for newer player to get into salvaging as well. They then gather components which they either sell on the market or manufacture rigs with. If I were a new player, I'd definately get into this ASAP, as rigs will be sold for retarded amounts of cash in the beginning (Like the new ships, for example).
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 02/12/2006 01:03:19
So, can I get my f*cking 5 days of Survey 5 back now?
F*cking great...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:31:00 -
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might as well just move on to archeology then, if you already have survey 5 :)
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Jonas Umbator
Kismet Operations
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Posted - 2006.12.02 02:57:00 -
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yeah so uh . . . what do i do with survey lvl5 now? anything other than archaelogy?
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Linia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Linia on 02/12/2006 12:23:38
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 02/12/2006 01:03:19
So, can I get my f*cking 5 days of Survey 5 back now?
F*cking great...
Could not be said in more true words!
I would NEVER in eve train that f*cking skill at all if it wasnt for that salvager.. thx for wasting 5-6 days of my evetime!!!!
So PLEASE; give us some ability to retract that time, eventually move it to another skill
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Linia
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 02/12/2006 01:03:19
So, can I get my f*cking 5 days of Survey 5 back now?
F*cking great...
Could not be said in more true words!
I would NEVER in eve train that f*cking skill at all if it wasnt for that salvager.. thx for wasting 5-6 days of my evetime!!!!
Well look at it this way now you can survey really good!!
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Veryez
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Posted - 2006.12.02 12:43:00 -
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Actually the speed at which you salvage is determined by your survey skill, so everytime you salvage you are using the survey skill. And for those of us who salvage, the process is slow enough already. So yes I have survey 5, and no I will never train archaeology.
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ifeelit2
Gallente
Just Cloned Again
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:28:00 -
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i agree though CCP buckled too quickly on this issue...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Veryez
Actually the speed at which you salvage is determined by your survey skill, so everytime you salvage you are using the survey skill. And for those of us who salvage, the process is slow enough already. So yes I have survey 5, and no I will never train archaeology.
NO IT'S NOT. Where the heck did you get that idea from ?
The "speed" of salvage is only influenced by the SALVAGE skill and number of salvagers you use.
I say "speed" because it's actually a chance-per-activation, so using as many salvager modules as possible, even if it doesn't guarantee a "faster" salvage, it certainly increases the odds of salvaging sooner.
Best case scenario it's 10 seconds (one salvager cycle), regardless of skills, even with a single salvager and salvage L1. No matter how many you use you won't go below 10 seconds.
Average case scenario depends on salvage skill, number of salvagers used and salvage tackle rigs fitted. Again, no matter how many you use and no matter what skills you have, at best it's still 10 seconds, but at least you also bring the average close to 10 seconds too.
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Daelin Terenes
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:52:00 -
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I see the skill reduction as a penalty to myself and others who took the time to actually train survey 5 up because we wanted to do it. I enjoy salvaging, heck all my alliance mates know that when I log in thats the first thing I ask "Hey guys, any wrecks out in our space". Its a profession, and like all professions you need skills to do it. Thing is, I WANT to do it. I don't care that it took me 5 days to get the skill to 5, its an acceptable loss for something I want to do. So what if it takes a while, I have 3 salvagers on an Assault Frigate and search through belts salvaging even with rats shooting me. With a drop rate increase, I see no reason why rigs will be as expensive as all the complainers make it out to be. 1 week and I have only 100 more circuits to find for a rig. 100% drop rate increase, 2 weeks I have a rig, even more increase it will be even faster, and thats 1 guy. How long does it take 1 guy to mine enough to make a BS? Anyway, point is those that want to salvage will get the skills. But now with every run-of-the-mill character salvaging because of the lower requirements, I feel cheated. Give me back my 5 days CCP.
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esquimo leviticus
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:58:00 -
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A lot of folks seem upset by the fact that they have trained survey l5, as has been pointed out, there's now archaeology and hacking thats now possible as a result of the train, god only knows how they are going to help with player experiance, the only other use for them (pre rev) is to get hold of the cosmos materials that no one ever seemed bothered to make (hands up everyone with a stack of unused cosmos BPC's in thier hanger).
It would be cool if CCP got around to making more skills affect different tasks at hand, so for example in this case survey l5 helped with the speed of salvaging, lets say by 2% per level. So survey l5 helps you to salvage 10% quicker not much but I'm sure it would give those folks that trained it the boasting ability of an addition 4% time decrease in salvage over other folk.
Just an idea, For the record I do have survey l5 and dont really care that it's trained, that one was wasted for me chasing cosmos BPC's 
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Horsefly
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:23:00 -
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OMG are you guys seriously complaining about a 5-6 day skill? WOW thats amaizing. you actually have to spend 6 days on a skill to make implants for ships. Oh the horror.
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Aneeda
Chaos Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:58:00 -
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Im not exactly happy about the changes in the skill requirements either. It has a little to do with wasting my time on training survey to rank 5 and alot to do with the accessibility of salvaging. I wanted salvaging to be more difficult to get into so that the market prices for items would stay higher.
It would be nice if they went ahead and released a tech 2 salvager that required mechanic rank 5 and survey rank 5 as pre-reqs so that people who spent the time to focus on salvaging's original requirements would still get some type of advantage from it.
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Ophichius
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:20:00 -
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The actual skillpoint investment 'wasted' hurts far less than the betrayal of intent. Mini-professions are supposed to require a skillpoint investment, as well as time investment. Right now, the skillpoint investment portion of that requirement is moot.
Please, CCP, bring back the old requirements. Less than a week is -far- too short a time to test something like this before making drastic changes.
Reverting the skill requirements will not completely salvage the situation, as many people will have trained salvage with the new lower requirements, but it will at the very least, show intent to atone.
If after a month or two, rigs and salvaging are still not satisfactory to you, then make changes.
Rigs and salvaging were poised to be a new corner of the market, requiring some dedicated study to get into, and offering a new twist on ways to make money. Now they are just supplementary income for every mission-runner and belt-ratter out there. Unless this was your intention in releasing the system, please change it.
Alternately, if this -was- your intention, please say so. This confusion as to the purpose and place of salvaging is more irritating than the requirements being softened.
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