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Mattif2k3 Gallente Omega Armada	Posted - 2007.02.01 13:40:00 - [1] first of all, thx halada 4 the great guide. since i started to play eve i was focusing on mining. thus your guide became my bible. i love the formulas and the good consideration of possibilities. i got two chars. one miner (hulk) and one BC-foreman-donator and in 15 days both will hit the end of skilling in this direction. its real fun to mine. (even in empire ) i'm looking foreward to see a new version including the rokh, hulk ice mining and gas mining (!) greetz, Mattif2k3 & Chromaticus
Mattif2k3 Gallente Omega Armada	Posted - 2007.02.20 10:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Tolomea Your ice mining gang boost calculations are somewhat misleading. You claim that the gang bonuses increase you from 11 cycles an hour to 15, a bonus of 4 cycles. Which appears to be a bonus of 36% In reality it goes from 11.35 to 14.64 an increase of 3.29 Which is a fair bit closer to 3 than 4 and is exactly 29% the same as with ore mining. both are "correct". he just look at he cycles / hour ratio and you looked at the exact numbers. probably halada will take the exact numbers for the next version, once he will work on thi sguide again
Mattif2k3 Gallente R.H. Umbrella Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.11 14:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Mattif2k3 on 11/07/2007 14:16:30 Edited by: Mattif2k3 on 11/07/2007 14:16:04 i just got one question 4 u, halada: when will the next version be reday? and welcome back /edit: which new bonus at the hulk i hate to be at work
Mattif2k3 Gallente R.H. Umbrella Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.13 10:40:00 - [4] Edited by: Mattif2k3 on 13/07/2007 10:40:38 Originally by: Zion Zan'threxian I notice a mistake (if not already brought to your attention) Monoclinic is listed as the high yield bistot and triclinic as the mid yield. I think this is backwards. nope it is alright. mono is 10% (see also here).
Mattif2k3 Gallente R.H. Umbrella Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.27 07:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Explorers Ascendant Edited by: Explorers Ascendant on 24/08/2007 23:38:58 Do the -20% cycle duration and the 25% ice and mining upgrades work? And I was to believe that the Mack is better for mining ice than the Hulk. Is that correct? I have had so many people saying 50 diffrent things I am very confused anyone give a definitive answer please? well. first: the mining upgrades for ice are working properly. the hulk vs. macki question: i calculated it once and the macki was still better then the hulk. i will try to calc it again and post it here. probably someone can check my numbers
Mattif2k3 Gallente LE Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.29 11:29:00 - [6] Edited by: Mattif2k3 on 29/08/2007 11:29:18 Originally by: Etrusan Your right. You have a miscalculation. Hulk gets an additional barge bonus. So go ahead and multiply another 0,85 in your hulk equation, and you will find that you get a different value. That said, I am fairly certain the ice bonus for the Hulk used to be .05. It is now .03 and this changes things. With this alteration the Mack is now the better Ice miner... again, by one unit per hour. Ship /// yield per hour /// cycles per hour Hulk /// 44.16796864 /// 14.72265621 Covetor /// 37.54277334 /// 12.51425778 Mack /// 45.38504155 /// 11.34626039 With the uber mods, this gap increases to 2.8. Ok. i will have to check the bonus in the hulk describtion. i cannot look at the items at work :( but with a maxed out gang bonus and a yeti imp the gap should be even bigger
Mattif2k3 Gallente LE Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.03 11:14:00 - [7] great news :)
Mattif2k3 Gallente LE Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.04 07:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Etrusan Yes, I stand corrected. This should be the correct data in that case. Ship /// yield per hour /// cycles per hour Hulk /// 37.54277334 /// 12.51425778 Covetor /// 31.91135734 /// 10.63711911 Mack /// 45.38504155 /// 11.34626039 Ok. Great news i finally can calculate it :) Greetz, Mattif2k3, little math freak ;)
Mattif2k3 Gallente LE Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.04 11:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Enviri Nakun Edited by: Enviri Nakun on 04/09/2007 08:25:30 I guess a question that I've been having is that when mining in my original Frigate in .8/.7 it made sense to dump ore into a pod and come back later with my industrial since it could carry something like 8 times the load, but what about when I move up to the ore barges? Some of them can hold 4k on its own while my industrial only holds 10k. Especially when discussing 0 sec mining are you generally warping in, tanking up while stripping what you can then warping the heck back to a station? It seems that this was never really covered in the guide as you moved on to more advanced mining techniques, the storage/transport of ore in unsafe sectors. Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Just to throw some more numbers into what I'm looking at, this would mean that basically I would warp in, pick a 'roid and fill my hold in ~4 minutes then warp back out. I guess it makes sense when dealing with nasty rats, but just want to make sure that I'm not missing something easy. at first. welcome miner ;) the mining barge question: when u r mining, it is always usefull and more effective then u use a can. BUT there are several things to consider. in high-sec (1.0-0.5) u got ore thiefs. this kind of species is a horror for every miner. don't wait too long. fill in 2-3 of ur hauler capacity in a can and fly the ore to the station / pos. in low-sec (0.4-0.1) there are pirates. they r just looking for miner / misson runner to shoot them out of their ships. ALWAYS WATCH THE LOCAL and got to the station as soon as an unknown char enters the system! i personaly don't mine there. it's a to big risk. in no-sec (0.0) u got other problems. in the most areas u got a chat channel where hostiles and pirates got reported. thus you know where a thread is and can fly to a station / pos in time. but as in 0.0 u have to WATCH THE LOCAL. secondly the rats are BIG and dangerous. i already lost several hulks to them due my tanking skills are not very good and i was mining when i was still asleep ;) you will need another char / player to tank the rats (accept u got very good tanking skills and faction stuff fitted). but accept the rat prolem u got time. i was mining 9-10 cans and then start haul. but its supoptimal for me. meanwhile i got 3 chars: one for tanking and mining link, one for mining and the last one for hauling. hope this helps a bit greetz, mattif
Mattif2k3 Gallente LE Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.13 08:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Eeonsita a very very nice guide there, Halada, as a new player this has greatly improved my understanding of mining, but i am surprised that you do not discuss of how i should find good mining spots. it seems that almost every belt i visit, everything is mined bare, and there are tons of cans all over the place, or there are other people there. and if it isn't, then there are rats there and i always have trouble dispatching them while outfitted for mining. well, it is very easy to find a mining spot. first of all you have to look in the map for a nice system with sec status of 0,7. there you can find the nice kernite or omber roids and the rats are not a big problem. this system should be a bit outside the central area thus it shouldn't be to crowdy. it schould have a 50% refining station up to 1 jump away where you can haul the lovely ore and refine it ;) once you found such a system you can set up your base there and start mining ;) another tip. the roids are respawning every monday and friday after downtime. a lot of ppl are running on these days into the belts and mine all omber / kernite. these are the days you should be in the belts, too ;)

Mattif2k3 Gallente LE Mining Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.17 13:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Halada Letting you know there might be a delay in this guide ... take ur time. it shall be as "complete" as it can be. if you need a QA on the numbers, contact me ingame.
Mattif2k3 Gallente SteelVipers	Posted - 2007.10.10 09:42:00 - [12] i'm at page 22. until now a masterpiece of work, halada. as usual but meantime i got no time for mining/reading since i am youwhat and we got some "insect problems" in our area i hope tri let me some time to read further

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