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Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.07 21:57:00 -
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I'm sure there are many other threads discussing the NAGA, but I don't give a hoot. I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA and now the NAGA is a Hybrid gunboat - WTF!
I don't care about the theoretical role as a "sniping platform" - I have never been in a sniper fleet and I struggle to see how a long-range ****-poor DPS fleet will do as a tactical concept. I guess we need Pandemic Legion to get their heads out of thier collective assess and figure this out.
Crucible is a great release - it's a way in the right direction. Making the NAGA a gunboat is a result of 60+M SP Chars cracking the numbers on how they can use it. Not how it was intended - the NAGA was intended to be a poor mans choice (SP & ISK) to fight the Super-Cap spam.
My NAGA needs Torpedoes and my Hawk needs the 4th bonus. |
Majora Veneris
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:00:00 -
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Looks like CCP trolled you. A Good Forum Post Is Like A Skirt.... Long Enough To Cover The Subject Matter, But Short Enough To Keep Things Interesting.
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Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
97
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:00:00 -
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wait what i get to claim for the changes to the naga?
awesome :D |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
124
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:01:00 -
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Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about. Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Hana Lena
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:01:00 -
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Patch Notes FTW? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
480
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:03:00 -
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Qin Shi Huang wrote:I'm sure there are many other threads discussing the NAGA, but I don't give a hoot. I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA and now the NAGA is a Hybrid gunboat - WTF!
I don't care about the theoretical role as a "sniping platform" - I have never been in a sniper fleet and I struggle to see how a long-range ****-poor DPS fleet will do as a tactical concept. I guess we need Pandemic Legion to get their heads out of thier collective assess and figure this out.
Crucible is a great release - it's a way in the right direction. Making the NAGA a gunboat is a result of 60+M SP Chars cracking the numbers on how they can use it. Not how it was intended - the NAGA was intended to be a poor mans choice (SP & ISK) to fight the Super-Cap spam.
My NAGA needs Torpedoes and my Hawk needs the 4th bonus.
1: You re-subscribed to fly a ship that doesn't exist? 2: The Naga does very nice damage, at whatever range you choose to set up for. 3: Yes, Crucible is a great release. 4: You don't need 60+Mil SP to fly a Naga to it's full potential. 5: The primary role of the Naga is to be the fast moving muscle in a roaming gang, it's secondary role is an anti Super-Cap platform. It can perform both roles well as it is. 6: Caldari do not need another missle ship. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Handsome Hussein
185
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:04:00 -
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Qin Shi Huang wrote:I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA Ouch, should have done your research! BEFORE CRUCIBLE EVE WAS ON CRUISE CONTROL. After Crucible EVE didn't need cruise control. |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:04:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about.
I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
480
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:06:00 -
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Qin Shi Huang wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about. I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?
To, I don't know, make an informed decision?
That's two bad decisions in one post, ...nice. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Paragon Renegade
Solar Arbiters
137
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:10:00 -
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Naga pleeze The pie is a tautology |
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:11:00 -
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Qin Shi Huang wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about. I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?
Whahahahhahahahhaha ... well that's what you get for trusting EURO gamer. *rolls eyes* quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
42
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:13:00 -
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Qin Shi Huang wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about. I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage?
Highlighted your mistake. Getting information from a second party source, that doesn't focus on Eve. it's been known for weeks before the update went live that the Naga would be a hybrid boat. Also, lol, resubscribing for ONE SHIP? :eve players: |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
124
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:16:00 -
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Qin Shi Huang wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Im not even going to reply with a suitable answer because its been said so many times in the other threads 'you dont give a hoot' about. I just re-subscribed because I read in EURO gamer that the NAGA was Torpedo armed. Why would I follow the release notes of a game that I basically left after Incarnage? ...
So your not going to read the patch notes for CCPs own game? I would assume they know whats going into thier game.
And if you dont read patch notes because of Incarna then your a fool, its not like the incarna patch notes said: WALKING IN STATIONS, ITERACT WITH YOUR FELLOW CAPSULEERS IN PLAYER OWNED ESTABLISHMENTS. Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:23:00 -
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Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
232
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:32:00 -
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Qin Shi Huang wrote:Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny.
I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps.
That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
101
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:35:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny. I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps. That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet.
Sniper fleets more than 150km from a target will never again be used except by idiots who don't know what a scan probe is. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Hana Lena
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:37:00 -
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Okay let's try this then.
Dev one: we haven't made any missile ships In a while that's the Caldari thing right? Let's make the new battlecruiser a missile ship.
Dev two: Hey yeah that's a great idea.
Member of Team Gridlock: What dream world Did you two just slip into? you want to make a new ship for large fleet fights use missiles? One the most server intense weapons systems we have?
Dev one: Oh Well then... Another hybrid platform it is.
Dev two: That was a really stupid idea man. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
234
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:42:00 -
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OP - before you go again - your stuff.... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
481
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:44:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny. I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps. That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet. Sniper fleets more than 150km from a target will never again be used except by idiots who don't know what a scan probe is.
While this is true don't forget that at more moderate ranges large rails can use their higher damage shorter range ammo while all other ships are still needing to use their long range ammo... and still retain the ability to switch back and hit at extreme range when necessary. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:45:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:Not a single reply tried to even remotely justify the hyprid NAGA. A few posts even attacked my source of information. Too funny. I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. While I was looking forward to using it for Torps I can see the justification for removing them. I would have, however, given it the option to at least use all the other missiles below Torps. That being said...I was around when sniper fleets were popular and useful. With the changes to rails specifically and with the Naga I can see sniper fleets being useful again. I miss the days of sitting at 200km with rails and doling out damage. Granted it was never a LOT of damage but it was enough when you were the backup to the main close range fleet.
Thank you. There is of course a way to balance a Torp NAGA - we/they just havn't figured it out yet.
I was not around when sniper fleets were popular and since i'm Caldari I have realized that the Caldari has not learned from history. My Cerberus is rusting away and my Scorpion is fitted with dual 1600mm RT so I can play a role in RR/BS fleets. Working as instended?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
334
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:04:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered.
Links? Were the battleships shooting back? Were those battleships effective against other cruiser-sized targets, or were they fitted for fighting battleship-and-larger targets?
I had the pleasure of flying a Torp Naga in Singularity and tried it out against L4 missions. It tanks like a cruiser. Anyone who knows the difference between tanking a cruiser and tanking a battleship will understand that the Naga is fragile. Claiming that it is overpowered simply because it punches above its weight is foolish.
The Torp Naga was a pleasure to fly, especially because it was built from paper.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
233
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:27:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I watched quite a few youtube vids of the Naga literally raping battleships with Torps. It was completely overpowered. Links? Were the battleships shooting back? Were those battleships effective against other cruiser-sized targets, or were they fitted for fighting battleship-and-larger targets? I had the pleasure of flying a Torp Naga in Singularity and tried it out against L4 missions. It tanks like a cruiser. Anyone who knows the difference between tanking a cruiser and tanking a battleship will understand that the Naga is fragile. Claiming that it is overpowered simply because it punches above its weight is foolish. The Torp Naga was a pleasure to fly, especially because it was built from paper.
******* forum keeps eating my posts!
Short version of my deceased post.
Can't find the vids...you do the digging through YouTube if you want to see them and yes they were being fired at but they were fast and at close range to where the BS's couldn't hit them. Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Jack Traynor
One More Corp
5
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:29:00 -
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0/10
Only read a few lines of the OP's post, glad I didn't waste any of my life on the replies. :) |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
334
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:31:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Can't find the vids...you do the digging through YouTube if you want to see them and yes they were being fired at but they were fast and at close range to where the BS's couldn't hit them.
And the problem there is what? They're using the same weapons systems, they have similar bonuses. Perhaps the battleships need webs to hold smaller targets in place?
Stealth bombers have been using torpedoes for a long time.
I play paper. Rock is fine. Nerf scissors!
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Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2011.12.07 23:47:00 -
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The thing you are looking for, the low barrier to entry torpedo platform, is called "Stealth Bomber". It has been in the game for quite a while. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
31
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Posted - 2011.12.08 01:20:00 -
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I was really having a good time in 100mn HML Nagas.
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 04:12:00 -
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I know. How dare they make you train for both of your race's weapons systems before being able to properly utilize all of their ships.
It's not not like Gallente have to train hybrids and Drones.
Oh wait. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
67
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Posted - 2011.12.08 05:52:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:I'm sure there are many other threads discussing the NAGA, but I don't give a hoot. I just re-subscribed to fly a Torp NAGA and now the NAGA is a Hybrid gunboat - WTF!
I don't care about the theoretical role as a "sniping platform" - I have never been in a sniper fleet and I struggle to see how a long-range ****-poor DPS fleet will do as a tactical concept. I guess we need Pandemic Legion to get their heads out of thier collective assess and figure this out.
Crucible is a great release - it's a way in the right direction. Making the NAGA a gunboat is a result of 60+M SP Chars cracking the numbers on how they can use it. Not how it was intended - the NAGA was intended to be a poor mans choice (SP & ISK) to fight the Super-Cap spam.
My NAGA needs Torpedoes and my Hawk needs the 4th bonus. 6: Caldari do not need another missle ship.
It's not about needing a missile boat, it's about wanting a missile boat. Why not give the Naga the flexibility to field either weapon system? Is there a reason for it?
I chose Caldari because I like missiles, especially torpedoes! The thought of 8 torp launchers raining death on my enemies for 50m makes me wet in the panties.
Also, Caldari players (most anyways) know that the Naga is a good boat, but we picked Caldari because we think missiles are the ****, and CCP decided to give us all blue balls when they yanked our awesome torp boat from us.
I am happy with the Naga, and unless there is a good reason to exclude torps, I kindly request that CCP make an awesome boat more flexible for those Caldari that don't have gunnery trained. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
67
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Posted - 2011.12.08 05:58:00 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:I know. How dare they make you train for both of your race's weapons systems before being able to properly utilize all of their ships.
It's not not like Gallente have to train hybrids and Drones.
Oh wait.
I see this a lot, and I have yet to see any definitive stance on this from CCP, but what weapon system is primary for Caldari? Honestly, I always thought it was missiles, and here everyone's saying hybrids are? Please back this up, because hybrids are almost always an afterthought when Caldari is involved. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.08 06:09:00 -
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From dev post they explained missles have rigs that mean they can shoot smaller targets easier, and like OP said they are for fighting supers and such. CCP couldnt find a good way to make them work, always did well against smaller targets they werent designed for. |
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