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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:34:00 -
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Based on this thread I have decided that the nighthawk is a hell of a lot better than I had ever realized. I consider the drake to be insanely uber (I fly one so I'm not complaining), but now I see that the nighthawk is better in every single way. So I have to wonder why anyone who has actually done any math is complaining.
The NH out-damages & out-tanks the drake... that makes it a far better ship.
In Eve you generally pay 10 times more to get a 10% increase or even more than that... in this case you're only paying 3 times more to get a much much larger increase. The NH is well worth it and I will actually train for one now based on this thread :) I will post tanking numbers a little later so it can be shown just how much better the NH tanks.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:20:00 -
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Alrighty, here is the tanking comparison.
The nighthawk can tank 632.65 damage at peak recharge averaged against all 4 resists.
EM=61.19% or 266.38 max EM tank
Expl=84.48% or 665.95 max Expl tank
Kin=85.45% or 710.34 max Kin tank
Therm=88.36% or 887.93 max Therm tank
The Drake can tank 495.99 damage at peak recharge averaged against all 4 resists.
EM=58.60% or 309.19 max EM tank
Expl=83.44% or 772.96 max Expl tank
Kin=75.16% or 515.31 max Kin tank
Therm=66.88% or 386.48 max Therm tank
Thus 495.99 (drake) vs 632.65 (nighthawk) gives the nighthawk a 27.553% better tank. It does 14.x% more damage.
Multiplied that means the Nighthawk is approximate 46% better than the Drake in these two categories. I'd like to see how the OP can complain that a 46% boost isn't worth the training/cost. He better also compare the cost increase from a caracal to a cerb and the damage/tank difference as well. And also from a frig to an assault frig to show us how out of whack the Command Ships are and the nighthawk in particular is in his mind.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:08:00 -
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Being able to do it and being able to do it well are two TOTALLY different things. Assault ships can do level 3's and maybe even some level 4's.... doesn't mean they do them well. A raven would do a level 3 in a fraction of the time of an assault ship, as would a Cerb. I hope a ton of people do level 4's in drakes... they will be doing them a lot slower than people that use ships that are better armed.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.12.06 04:21:00 -
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"Why train 1 1/2 months for a HAC when (unless you fly Minmatar or a Cerberus) they are pretty much useless nerfed cruisers with a few resistances?"
The Cerberus is fairly worthless now too. The Drake is better than the Cerb in just about every way...
"What modules did you slap onto that Nighthawk?
Personally I come up with 90+ on all resists should I ever fly a ship that require such insane skills to get into."
Med:
3 Large Extender II, 2 Inv II
Low:
3 SPR, 2 PDS
Sure, if you buy faction invulns you could get better resists... but this is the best setup using standard gear. A 200 mil ship is cheap... spending 200+ mil on one module is not... at least to me. I consider nighthawks to be extremely under-priced at 200 mil considering their tank + dps potential now.
Using specific hardeners will yield worse overall resists but better resists to those specific resists. If you wanna give me a specific setup to try I'll try it. I can handle any passive or active shield tank... just give me the exact specs of any faction item and ill input it and tell you how good it does.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.12.06 07:58:00 -
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Anyone who thinks a Cerb is better than a drake is dreaming. The cerb is a worthless ship now imo... I've had one for quite a while and I have an Eagle. Both ships are worthless in PvE. The Raven outdid the Cerb pre-patch and the Drake outdoes the Raven + Cerb now (for level 3's that is).
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