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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
Hearts And Minds Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.08 13:39:00 -
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Maybe this is why the PI commodity market is so bad..
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Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.12.08 14:06:00 -
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+1 naming a planet after Xenuria. Color that planet pink. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mother of god those colours
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[yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Matalino
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:41:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:So then you are confirming that Xenuria is right, and this is an exploitable action. With stupidly short extraction times, one could easily make a fark-tonne of PI gear and easily become space rich? No. I am confirming that sometimes it is ineffective to use more extractor heads when running stupidly short cycle times.
I do not see how this would be exploitable, as you are still subject to reasonable limitations on the total amount of PI goods that you can extract. You could sit there running 1 hour PI cycles. You would need to relocate your extractor heads every few hours as you deplete hot spots. I would not expect it to be worth your time. There are more profitable activities than resetting PI extractors every hour. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:49:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Mother of god those colours
 ..... the colours....
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Nulla Curas |
Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:29:00 -
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Learn some math. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
88
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:43:00 -
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I know what you're getting at Xenuria, the same happened back when i first started doing PI 3-4 months ago, and people couldn't grasp it then, not even CCP (despite me sending screenshots spaced 20 seconds apart showing the before/after removing extractor heads).
They had me remove all structures, rebuild, remove all, rebuild on another planet, basically had me jumping through hoops and wasting hours of my time (why they can't just go play around spawning stuff is beyond me, instead i was subjected to the clickfest). After a week or so i basically got a "nothing is wrong" reply and the petition was closed.
Really? Nothing is wrong? so what was that week of fault finding and experimentation all about? I raised it on the forums, raised other petitions etc but was met with misunderstanding and denial.
Next patch, the problem mysteriously disappeared, until now.. |
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
40
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:47:00 -
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Now I'm not a PI pro by any means, I run 48 hour cycles and just use all my alts and lots of planets to brute force making ISK with PI, but isn't the graph a per head amount? Or was I mistaken this whole time and it's a total for all heads?
CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal
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CCP Omen
C C P
C C P Alliance
90
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:08:00 -
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We have investigated this, and we have a positive reproduction of this bug now, so big props for making the video!
I want to take the time to confirm that is not an exploit in which you can get something you otherwise could not. It is a bug and it creates confusion but it is not an exploit.
You will be able to get even more yield by simply moving the relevant extractor head to the hotspot above.
Conclusion:
* There is a bug, thanks for pinpointing it!
* X extractor heads will always yield more resources than X-1 given that you move the heads to the best possible configuration
Again, thanks for making this video!
Regards
Omen
Game Designer
Team Pi |
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CCP Masheen
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:15:00 -
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I enjoyed a selection of the other videos on your YouTube channel |
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Camios
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:45:00 -
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I tried to see if this apply to my colonies and it does not. If I place my extractor heads wisely, the total yield increases as the number of heads goes up. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
491
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:54:00 -
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Camios wrote:I tried to see if this apply to my colonies and it does not. If I place my extractor heads wisely, the total yield increases as the number of heads goes up.
see page 2
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:15:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Lord Zim wrote:And grimpak, if you look, the number does increase, it's not just a matter of scale.
then it is, in fact, a bug.
disregard my post.
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ain't that right |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:16:00 -
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what's "PI"?
Titania Hrothgar |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
Hearts And Minds Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.09 03:42:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:what's "PI"?
Planetary Interaction, it's basically EVE Farmville except with way better graphics. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.09 03:52:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:what's "PI"? Planetary Interaction, it's basically EVE Farmville except with way better graphics.
Xenuria got trolled. Win!
+1, color a planet pink and give it to xenuria.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.12.09 04:09:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Xenuria wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:what's "PI"? Planetary Interaction, it's basically EVE Farmville except with way better graphics. Xenuria got trolled. Win! +1, color a planet pink and give it to xenuria.
Trolled? For answering my honest question? You, sir, need to seriously learn the meaning of troll. :)
Titania Hrothgar |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:21:00 -
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Titania Hrothgar wrote:Ammzi wrote:Xenuria wrote:Titania Hrothgar wrote:what's "PI"? Planetary Interaction, it's basically EVE Farmville except with way better graphics. Xenuria got trolled. Win! +1, color a planet pink and give it to xenuria. Trolled? For answering my honest question? You, sir, need to seriously learn the meaning of troll. :)
Just because I like to walk outside sometimes to get some trolls and afterwards eat a bit of troll with a sip of troll doesn't mean I don't understand what trolling means!
Troll you later, sir!
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
The Lostboys
176
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Posted - 2011.12.10 00:46:00 -
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Matalino wrote:Doing some testing of my own, I was able to reproduce the issue. However, it only appears to be an issue with stupidly short cycle times. If I increased the cycle time to something longer than 3 hours, I was no longer getting the issue in my case. I would need to test it further to see what the actual cut off point is. However, I expect that you will not have any problems with cycle times of a day or more. Most likely this issue is related to the depletion mechanics when trying to over extract a resource.
Ah thats it. There is some randomness tossed in, most easily seen if you set a really long cycle time and look at how the plot has spikes in it.
It would appear that if you take advantage of that randomness, which seems to depend on what extractors are out, you can get good yield. It is odd that the random amount extractor head #1 gets depends on if head#2 exists or not.... That seems to be the bug.
Oh and CCP, as long as you are looking into PI bugs, I tried to import 6000 units of P2 to a planet and got:
"9000 units of space would be required to complete this operation. Destination container only has 10000 units available."
Bug report 122307.
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should.
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