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Nhi'Khuna	Posted - 2006.12.01 16:17:00 - [1] Hey guys, bought the harbinger last night. anyone settup this for PVP yet? I'd be interested in seeing if a Beam weapon variety would be viable or, if not, could this be settup like a really big Omen. What do people see the purpose of this ship being? Being relatively new to Amarr I don't wrap my head around the newer ships too easily.
Nhi'Khuna	Posted - 2006.12.01 16:27:00 - [2] Alright. I'll post the first settup. Bear in mind though that I'm not terribly used to Amarr yet, so please jump in and advise. Highs: 7x Medium size Pulse Lasers (Xray and Multifreq crystals) 1x Knave Nos Mids: 10mn MWD 20km Scram Webby Cap Charger (800 boosts) Lows: T2MAR EANMx2 Energized Thermic Energized Reactive Energized Kinetic Drones: t2 Hammerheads CPU is an issue with this ship, but PG is laughable, in fact it has so much extra that I wondered if it's not meant to have an 800 or a 1600 strapped to it?
Scordite	Posted - 2006.12.01 16:32:00 - [3] 5 slots for hardeners seems a bit excessive. Plate would be nice, as would damage mod ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.12.01 16:36:00 - [4] 7 med pulse II's (heaviest type ofcourse) nos (IF room this is your last prio, use a medium diminishing) standard pvp with a cap injector (medium charged with 800's) 3x heat sink's resistance and tank You should stick to one med rep. Just off the top of my head waiting for the next fight on evetv, that's something along the lines of what you'll be going for. Get t2 hammerheads of valkyres asap for an inredibly damage boost...holy **** this ship will hurt once I get my hands on it. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.01 16:59:00 - [5] If you go injetor go dual rep... med gank+ med tank > heavy gank + light tank
Gasi Kobayashi Naughty 40	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:37:00 - [6] Harbinger HI: 2x FMP II 5x HP II Med: ab,web,scram,800 boosters Low: MAR II, best named med rep, eanm, DC, 1 HS II i love this ship, it has better damage than zealot, tank could be a bit worse, 4 meds, but its agility and size brings negative points ... but still i dont need to fit my harbinger with faction mods to make it effective, and then get nosses by 2 med nosses from ishtar or something ... and with a bit luck, you could kill astarte in it ... Harbinger > Zealot --- pancake .... ----------- Please imagine picture of your choice here. Thank you, Gasi Kobayashi
Nagissa Kaworu Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.01 18:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Gasi Kobayashi Harbinger HI: 2x FMP II 5x HP II Med: ab,web,scram,800 boosters Low: MAR II, best named med rep, eanm, DC, 1 HS II i love this ship, it has better damage than zealot, tank could be a bit worse, 4 meds, but its agility and size brings negative points ... but still i dont need to fit my harbinger with faction mods to make it effective, and then get nosses by 2 med nosses from ishtar or something ... and with a bit luck, you could kill astarte in it ... Harbinger > Zealot --- pancake .... Kill an astarte with it All i can say about the harbinger is that i fought one in my brutix yesterday and i completely pounded him into the ground (brutix FTW! ), so killing an astarte... not likely! Nag.
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:13:00 - [8] Edited by: The Armin on 01/12/2006 22:13:57 It's only 40m :S Why are you putting tanks on it :D 7 Heavy Pulse II Multifreq. USe conflag vs Capital Ships. 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Web 1x Fleeting Scram 1 Med Electrochem with 800 charges (I might drop the injector for a Tracking CPU and try Conflag again) 1 Small Armor Rep 1 DCU 1 EANM II 3 Heat Sink II Evil DPS tbh >:)
Electric Cucumber Amarr coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Nagissa Kaworu Kill an astarte with it All i can say about the harbinger is that i fought one in my brutix yesterday and i completely pounded him into the ground (brutix FTW! ), so killing an astarte... not likely!
Electric Cucumber Amarr coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:22:00 - [10] Originally by: The Armin Edited by: The Armin on 01/12/2006 22:13:57 It's only 40m :S Why are you putting tanks on it :D 7 Heavy Pulse II Multifreq. USe conflag vs Capital Ships. 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Web 1x Fleeting Scram 1 Med Electrochem with 800 charges (I might drop the injector for a Tracking CPU and try Conflag again) 1 Small Armor Rep 1 DCU 1 EANM II 3 Heat Sink II Evil DPS tbh >:) you don't need an injector for a small rep lol
The Armin Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:32:00 - [11] Edited by: The Armin on 01/12/2006 22:33:22 Originally by: Electric Cucumber you don't need an injector for a small rep lol Yeah i know but the ammount of nos out there hurts lasers.. I always have one on my geddon but no rep on that one either :) The injector is just to keep fireing :P Kinda set it up just to be like the mini geddon but will play more with it when I get back from work. Maybe remove the small rep and the injector for a plate and a tracking cpu.. =))
Siakel	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Nhi'Khuna CPU is an issue with this ship, but PG is laughable, in fact it has so much extra that I wondered if it's not meant to have an 800 or a 1600 strapped to it? This is a joke, yes? With 7 Heavy Pulse II, AB, Injector, and Medrep you've got just enough grid to fill the rest of the slots with modules that take 1 PG. Not really viable to fit a gank-BC with FMPII, loses too much DPS (3x to 4x that of other BCs downgrading a tier) and if you want a supertank, fly a Prophecy. If you want a ship with lots of spare PG, look at the Hurricane.
Gasi Kobayashi Naughty 40	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Nagissa Kaworu Originally by: Gasi Kobayashi Harbinger HI: 2x FMP II 5x HP II Med: ab,web,scram,800 boosters Low: MAR II, best named med rep, eanm, DC, 1 HS II i love this ship, it has better damage than zealot, tank could be a bit worse, 4 meds, but its agility and size brings negative points ... but still i dont need to fit my harbinger with faction mods to make it effective, and then get nosses by 2 med nosses from ishtar or something ... and with a bit luck, you could kill astarte in it ... Harbinger > Zealot --- pancake .... Kill an astarte with it All i can say about the harbinger is that i fought one in my brutix yesterday and i completely pounded him into the ground (brutix FTW! ), so killing an astarte... not likely! Nag. it was on sisi, maybe the player had bad skills/setup... and about Brutix vs Harbinger ... i personaly think harbinger would win if players would have same skills ----------- Please imagine picture of your choice here. Thank you, Gasi Kobayashi
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:49:00 - [14] Originally by: The Armin Edited by: The Armin on 01/12/2006 22:13:57 It's only 40m :S Why are you putting tanks on it :D 7 Heavy Pulse II Multifreq. USe conflag vs Capital Ships. 10mn AB II 1x Fleeting Web 1x Fleeting Scram 1 Med Electrochem with 800 charges (I might drop the injector for a Tracking CPU and try Conflag again) 1 Small Armor Rep 1 DCU 1 EANM II 3 Heat Sink II Evil DPS tbh >:) why fit a small rep when you can fit a med rep just fine...
BillyBong2 Amarr Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:25:00 - [15] Edited by: BillyBong2 on 04/12/2006 20:26:05 What kind of range are we talking about with the pulses. I am assuming that this is solo pvp/roaming gane? Also, quick question, I have never used cans in my hold, what do most use them for? EDIT: Also, as we can see no one is use a Beam set-up, that is what the OP was asking for. _______________________________________________
devianc3	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:49:00 - [16] Edited by: devianc3 on 04/12/2006 20:49:57 for solo 7x focused medium pulse 2 [conflag] e50 (not sure if it fits) t2 MWD web disruptor cap booster with 400 MAR2 3x EANM2 1600plate HS2
goodby4u	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Nhi'Khuna Alright. I'll post the first settup. Bear in mind though that I'm not terribly used to Amarr yet, so please jump in and advise. Highs: 7x Medium size Pulse Lasers (Xray and Multifreq crystals) 1x Knave Nos Mids: 10mn MWD 20km Scram Webby Cap Charger (800 boosts) Lows: T2MAR EANMx2 Energized Thermic Energized Reactive Energized Kinetic Drones: t2 Hammerheads CPU is an issue with this ship, but PG is laughable, in fact it has so much extra that I wondered if it's not meant to have an 800 or a 1600 strapped to it? Drop the MWD for an AB and add a dual rep tank,possibly drop one of the EANMs for a heatsink for more gankage.
Byzan Zwyth Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:39:00 - [18] I thought the harby would be a good ship but it turns out to be average/sub par compared to most BC's The hurricane totaly owns it, lets not even talk about the drake, the brutix is better IMO, it does more damager than the proph but wont tank as well. harbinger = Meh. Just another amarr ship with the same old problems I guess. ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective
Kidd Billups D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:47:00 - [19] Edited by: Kidd Billups on 04/12/2006 22:49:43 Learning this the hard way, the harbinger should not by any means rely on its tank. This thing is mean for 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II's with no exception... Stick 6-7x Heavy Pulse laser II's with 2x HS II's and go from there. If you're planning to make this thing tank instead of damage, go with the proph (half the money anyways) imho, proph > harbinger (considering proph's half the price, the harbinger isnt worth it)
mallina Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:19:00 - [20] Best Harb setup (IMO): (requires AWU 4) Heavy Pulse II Heavy Pulse II Heavy Pulse II Heavy Pulse II Focused Medium Pulse II Focused Medium Pulse II Focused Medium Pulse II E50 NOS Y-T8 10MN Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor Fleeting Proplusion Inhibitor Medium Electrochemical Cap Injector Medium Armor Repairer II EANM II Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Membrane Internal Force Field Array Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Drone bay: 5x Valkyrie II ----------- Turbulance
Kalek Astroth Amarr The Electrocuted	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:10:00 - [21] i like the set up mallina
Zekk Pacus Caldari StateCorp	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:33:00 - [22] 7 x HP II 1 x 10mn AB II 1 x 20km 1 x web (fleeting/x5 is pretty much essential IMO) 1 x med injector (400 or 800, personal preference) 1 x Med Rep II 2 x EANM/1x EANM + 1x DCU 3 x HSII Light tank, heavy damage. Drones to taste.
Katamarino Blazing Angels Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:17:00 - [23] Edited by: Katamarino on 05/12/2006 13:17:34 Originally by: Zekk Pacus 7 x HP II 1 x 10mn AB II 1 x 20km 1 x web (fleeting/x5 is pretty much essential IMO) 1 x med injector (400 or 800, personal preference) 1 x Med Rep II 2 x EANM/1x EANM + 1x DCU 3 x HSII Light tank, heavy damage. Drones to taste. And you squeeze this into the CPU allowance how? My quick calculations are saying no, no, no!
Cleron Antares Fleet Yards	Posted - 2006.12.05 15:05:00 - [24] Edited by: Cleron on 05/12/2006 15:08:03 All of the new T-2 BC's are well worth flying if you have the skills to bring out there strong points. In regards to the Harbinger I'd say it would give the Brutix a run for its money in an even fight. It would depend a lot on set ups & tactics but it's hardly impossible given the nature of both ships & the range advantage the Harbinger has. In fact the harbinger is a pretty solid ship for Amarr. You can go pulse or beam & it tanks decently although it won't beat the Proph at that job. With 2 Heat sinks it hurts like hell & still manages to hold up pretty well tank wise with a cap booster even when faced with nos. Fitting wise you can load up a full set of 7 heavy modulated beams with a single RCU. Damage wise it's still pretty good. Granted it's not T-2 but since the nerf so long as you have the weapon upgrades i really don't think you are missing much & you don't have side effects either. PVP High: 7 HMP (You can fit T-2's if you must, not sure if they will fit though) 1 Small Dim Nos (Medium if you can fit, but a small will work to) Mid: Named Medium Cap Booster (800/400) T-2 10mn Ab 2 Fleet Webs/1 Web 1 Scram/Disruptor (I love Tracking disrupters but you can't hold a target with out a scram. I still use them often though. Just don't drop the web) Low: 2 EAN II 1 Named DC/3rd HS II/ 2nd T-2 MAR 2 T-2 HS 1 T-2 Mar A second Mar will improve the tank a lot but you must still be able to beat the enemy before you run out of charges. Generally i like the 2 HS set up more but if you are going up against numbers the second Mar is probably the way to go. Should be noted that the second mar might be a bit hard to fit. As for beams i managed to scrap this up for a mission with a buddy. PVE High: 7 HMB 1 Small Dim Nos Mid: Named Cap Booster (800/400) T-2 AB Fleet Web Tracking Comp Low: 2 EAN-II/Rat Active Hardeners 1 Named DC/2nd HS/ 2nd Mar 1 RCU I (T-2 would allow a Medium Nos i figure & probably needed for second Mar) 1 T-2 Mar Great range still quite powerful while having enough of tank & res to hold off decent sized rat packs. You kinda need to drop the HS for a second Mar (probably requires RCU II) if you want to get into heavy close range combat with multiple BC sized rats, but you can quite easily kite most spawns since it has range & moderate speed for a BC. You just need to remind your self that you only have 10-12 charges & that once they are gone you might hold gank but the tank will die under pressure.
Zekk Pacus Caldari StateCorp	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Zekk Pacus on 06/12/2006 22:16:44 Originally by: Katamarino Edited by: Katamarino on 05/12/2006 13:17:34 Originally by: Zekk Pacus 7 x HP II 1 x 10mn AB II 1 x 20km 1 x web (fleeting/x5 is pretty much essential IMO) 1 x med injector (400 or 800, personal preference) 1 x Med Rep II 2 x EANM/1x EANM + 1x DCU 3 x HSII Light tank, heavy damage. Drones to taste. And you squeeze this into the CPU allowance how? My quick calculations are saying no, no, no! Had it fitted on test. Let me log into test and I'll have a look. Might've been using best named pulses, which obviously is nowhere near ideal. EDIT: Fits or doesn't fit, I'm not actually entirely sure. My calcs show a HPII as using 27 CPU with Weapons Upgrades V, corpmate (who flies amarr BC platforms almost exclusively) shows 26.25. If I'm right it won't fit, if he's right it will.
Zekk Pacus Caldari StateCorp	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:14:00 - [26] Edited by: Zekk Pacus on 06/12/2006 22:15:51 He's right - to fit that setup you're 1 CPU point off. Get a -3% and you'll do it. EDIT: although my calculations show a HP II to use 27 CPU, a corpmate of mine (who flies almost exclusively Amarr BC platforms) says 26.25. In which case it'd fit.
Zekk Pacus Caldari StateCorp	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:34:00 - [27] I'll stop spamming this thread now, I promise. According to quickfit (this is a hashed together version of the ship's stats done by editing a prophecy, but I can't see any reason it won't hold real). HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 212 \| 26] Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration M] - [ 212 \| 26] Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration M] - [ 212 \| 26] Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration M] - [ 212 \| 26] Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration M] - [ 212 \| 26] Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration M] - [ 212 \| 26] Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration M] - [ 212 \| 26] Heavy Pulse Laser II [1xConflagration M] MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 55 \| 25] 10MN Afterburner II - [ 1 \| 21] X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator - [ 1 \| 32] Faint Warp Prohibitor I - [ 150 \| 25] Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [2xCap Booster 400] LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [ 2 \| 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II - [ 2 \| 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II - [ 173 \| 28] Medium Armor Repairer II - [ 1 \| 30] Heat Sink II - [ 1 \| 30] Heat Sink II - [ 1 \| 30] Heat Sink II SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powergrid : 1874.64 / 1875.0 MW CPU : 464.75 / 468.75 tf Capacitor (regen) : 2700.0 Energy (480.0sec) Max Cap Regen : 13.78 per sec (approx.) Max Cap Needed : 42.461 per sec Velocity : 416.432 m/sec Signature : 265.0 m Target Range : 57500.0 m Scan Resolution : 220.5 mm ECCM Radar : 16.0 points Shield HP (regen) : 2297.4 (850.0sec) Max Shield Regen : 6.76 per sec (approx.) Shield EM : 0.0 % Shield Explo : 60.0 % Shield Kinetic : 40.0 % Shield Thermal : 20.0 % Armor HP : 3906.25 Armor EM : 79.33 % Armor Explo : 59.63 % Armor Kinetic : 61.25 % Armor Thermal : 66.42 % Structure HP : 3516.25 Drone Capacity : 25.0 m3 Capacity : 350.0 Warp Max Distance : 307.5
Amith Silvermoon ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:23:00 - [28] Simular to what im using but i couldnt fit the 7th pulse without a fitting mod
Siakel	Posted - 2006.12.10 02:13:00 - [29] Yeah, the 7x Heavypulse II AB/Web/Scram/Injector Medrep 2x EANM 3x HS II setup fits with AWU4. Depending on named mods and hardwirings, it's very, very tight, though. (Mine has full CPU use and 5 free grid)
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.10 03:04:00 - [30] Originally by: God forbid 7 FMP T2 1 Medium Diminishing Nos 1 10MN MWD T2 1 Fleeting Web 1 Faint Scrambler 1 Medium Electrohemical 1 Medium Armor Repair T2 2 Adaptive Nano T2 1 Internal Force Field 1 1600mm Plate Rolled 1 Heat Sink T2 5 Vespa T2 Very similar to mine. People have been using Heavy Pulse IIs for so long, they don't realise that the DPS of Focused Medium Pulse IIs is only 14% lower, and all that extra powergrid allows you to nearly double your armour hp. Which would last longer? Not to mention being 21m cheaper.

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