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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 03/12/2006 05:34:26
i agree with a lot of what you say.
i dont think lowsec pirates are griefers though as anyone going into lowsec especially mission runners knows (or should know) they take a risk of being attacked, and therefore implicitly accept they could be targets for pirates.
a griefer imho is someone who attacks people who dont accept taking a risk. these are the pirates who team up with people in highsec and use game mechanics to kill them. i personally dont like that game style as those players dont accept any risk.Also their people who war dec noob corps, another tactic i dislike (in fact ive helped corps who have had this happen in the past).
oh and 2 things to assist you (to watch out for).
mission pirates dont find out someones setup within 10 seconds of attack.
they either scan someones setup outside a station (without the target knowing) when there on the way to a mission (so watch out for frigs hanging around outside station).
or they can scan a ship by the mission and see what the mission is. e.g. i scan you at a mission site. i see your doing guristas extrvavaganza. this means you will be using phased plasma ammo (maybe kin missiles) so i tank for kin / therm. I also know you will be tanked for kin / therm, and since your armour tanking you have high natural em resist. i will therefore use explosive missiles.
i will obviously use at least 2 disruptors as you armour tank your unlikely to have 2 stabs plus ill use nosferatu to bleed you dry.
so thats what you need to be careful of. good luck out there (you dont need to worry about me btw). 
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.03 06:11:00 -
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*Cleaned*
Please keep the flaming to a minimum.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.12.03 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 03/12/2006 12:26:05
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i dont think lowsec pirates are griefers though as anyone going into lowsec especially mission runners knows (or should know) they take a risk of being attacked, and therefore implicitly accept they could be targets for pirates.
i think lowsec missionrunner probing pirates are griefers not able to handle real pvp where the odds can somethimes turn against you. im always to have for a goot fight, i even fight back somethimes while stuck in a bubble. but i def have no need tanking 900 dps from a mordus headhunters and 1000 dps from this gank squad at the same time..
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: d026
i think lowsec missionrunner probing pirates are griefers not able to handle real pvp where ....
....i def have no need tanking 900 dps from a mordus headhunters and 1000 dps from this gank squad at the same time..
according to dictionary.com
"Griefer is the term for a player in an online computer game who deliberately sets out to discomfort other players. A griefer is a kind of troll. "
If you go into lowsec YOU ACCEPT THE RISK OF PVP. Therefore pirates in lowsec are NOT griefers. Your definition of griefer seems to include anyone that pvp's and kills someone.
If you dont want to fight your npc rats and pirates then stay out of lowsec.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.12.03 13:23:00 -
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If you dont want to fight your npc rats and pirates then stay out of lowsec.
i constantly fight. but like a real man not like a ***** who needs npcs doing YOUR work!
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.12.03 13:29:00 -
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and if you allready ask my definition of pvp is PLAYER VS PLAYER not player vs player vs npcs:)
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: d026
i constantly fight. but like a real man not like a ***** who needs npcs doing YOUR work!
dude your being insulting now.
but lets be realistic about this.
npcing and missioning is not hard, in fact its easy. even the hardest mission is easy with the right tactics. its formulaic, you know whats going to happen time and time again.
but pvp is where the real action is. clearly you cant handle it. so im seriously saying, for your benefit, not mine. stay out of lowsec.
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Arntdec
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:32:00 -
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Put aside the carebears/griefers debate.
Put aside low sec population.
Back to ISKs.
Standing with an agent factors ISK gains. The way standing works, failing/declining a mission takes a long time to work back your standing on, wich means an ISK loss.
Not doing a mission, because you are waiting for the system to clear, is an ISK loss.
Obviously loosing a ship is an ISK loss in insurance and modules, but also in time not spent farming but refitting.
I think everyone can agree that under the new system, mission running as an activity has taken a profitability hit by standings, lost time and pure loss.
When you live in low sec you agree to take some risks. But you have to do the math, you have to make ISKs to sustain yourself, and make a profit.
I have no problem with being killed once a day, being ransomed once every two days, forced in waiting time one hour for four hours of activity, having to abort one mission in ten. Those are the numbers I calculated upon, and even if you can argue about their accuracy, I think it can be a 'normal week' in the
life of a mission runner nowadays.
But, even after turning the problem in every way I could think of, I came, much to my surprise, to this conclusion : farming lvl 3 missions (fit tailored for it) in high sec is more profitable.
The question, taking those new costs into factor, is to know if by adapting I can find a situation where I'll run a benefit instead of a deficit.
Lower ship/fits cost? Better, but still in deficit. Dual account mule watcher? ETC comes in, lower risk, still deficit. Gangs? deficit. PvP fittings? deficit. Two/Four accounts and switching when one runner is in waiting scenario? Deficit. Paying a 'right to live here' tax to pirates? Not sure about the price I put this at, but I felt it would still not lower the risk cost enought, as pirates can't enforce their authority as strongly as alliances do, so it translates as still running a deficit.
The problem is that the costs have skyrocketed into orbit ! To a point where nothing I could think of can be bring me afloat again.
Go on with your 'carebear/griefer' 'it's not fait/you are a whiner' etc... Personnaly I can only tell one thing:
I WILL NOT RUN BANKRUPT !
As such, I have taken the only logical decision, and moved away from low sec missioning.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.12.03 18:23:00 -
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npcing and missioning is not hard, in fact its easy.
ok mate lets try this out.. you gonna do worlds collide serpentis stage, i warp in with some buddys and give you some extra pounding and then we talk again k?
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B0rn2KiLL
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:09:00 -
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probe`m, nos`m, kill`m.
kill`m some more.
dont ***** bout people doing god's work.
keep up the good ganking men 
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Grim Starwind
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
Edited by: Gonada on 03/12/2006 04:58:38
As for talkin smack. ya i am, cause frankly if you guys are too lame to actually do real combat and instead have to resort to whining bout moving missons to lowsec, gatecamping, or now the "misson runner" ganking then you suck at eve, and only can kill those that are in the weaker position
Okay, thing that got me here that I just had to post on. "you suck at eve, and only can kill those that are in the weaker position" ... Dude, how many people do you know have killed someone stronger than them? Because it's impossible. The only time you kill someone is when they are weaker than you.
PS.. I don't care about mission runners so I have no comment on that, I just came here to read what everyone was saying about that whole scan stuff. 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.04 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Starwind
The only time you kill someone is when they are weaker than you.
You can kill someone who's stronger than you if they're stupid. Haven't you ever heard of the word 'upset' being used to describe a victory?
Such as UCLA upsetting USC on saturday.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 04/12/2006 04:25:30
Originally by: slothe
but pvp is where the real action is. clearly you cant handle it. so im seriously saying, for your benefit, not mine. stay out of lowsec.
Dam right baby
If your any good at pvp...you dont run missions. Little old me can make 100mil an hour from T2 fitted mission *****s on a good day  Hunting mission runners is like farming T2 rats 
wh ore s is bound to get censored 
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Princess Porno
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Posted - 2006.12.04 06:58:00 -
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I think people are missing out on something entirely new...
MOTHERSHIP PIRACY.
In low-sec, wtf is going to stop you?
You can't be affected by ewar.
Can't be web/scram'd -interdiction spheres can't be dropped in low-sec.
Not much can tank 22 fighters.
Fit a cloak and sit as a SS until flag expires because they can't probe out cloaked ships.
Cyno alt is needed to get you in and out when you get bored.
This might take you 300+ days and billions of isk ...
YEAH, WT! Mothership piracy in low-sec... TITAN PIRACY NEXT. CCP, get these ****'n ships to 0.0 only. 
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.04 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil
well another solution might be...
pirates get ur sec status up, move to highsec and probe those carebears down, get into their deadspace, steal their cans, and give remote shield and armortransfer the strongest rats till u **** those carebears off because they lose their standings or bonuses. maybe then they will move back to lowsec or quit the game with alot of whining on the forums. or they will shoot u (if u took their cans) and u can blow em up :)
and i bet that will make u feel good too 
sounds like a plausible plan - PVE content is next to useless anyway
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vile56
Nubs.
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.04 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: d026
Quote:
npcing and missioning is not hard, in fact its easy.
ok mate lets try this out.. you gonna do worlds collide serpentis stage, i warp in with some buddys and give you some extra pounding and then we talk again k?
so, you agree that the mission alone is not hard, only after more firepower has arived it is hard.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.12.04 12:28:00 -
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if you fly a 4bil ship its not hard i agree. but wc is damn callanging while doing it in a tII raven (usualy after the first spawn i was down to 1/3 cap, 1/3 shields left) i dont see ANY possibility to take on another or even several player ships at the same time while allready getting such a extreme pounding from npcs. right now the game mechanics are all 10000% in favor of the hostile engaging and this is not right.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.04 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 04/12/2006 12:36:07
Originally by: vile56
Originally by: d026
Quote:
npcing and missioning is not hard, in fact its easy.
ok mate lets try this out.. you gonna do worlds collide serpentis stage, i warp in with some buddys and give you some extra pounding and then we talk again k?
so, you agree that the mission alone is not hard, only after more firepower has arived it is hard.
uhm .. only one thing - 0.0 NPCs .. are not much of a problem if you're hunting with a battleship.
all it needs to lose a BS to a ganksquad is: one or two tacklers and a damagedealer (most of the time it's more than one damagedealer). yeah - it takes some time to down a target. as long the target is nicely tackled i will go down in 99% of the cases without killing one of the attackers. and that happens even with only or no npc in the belt (not really difficult you'd say)
i bet in a lvl4 mission are much more ships than the odd triple BS spawn
the only real difference (from a pirate perspective) now between 0.0 npcing and lowsec missionrunning is - in the second case they don't need 40 seconds + scanprobes to land on top of you.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.12.04 13:01:00 -
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i never ever losta ship in 0.0 due to a ganksquad. (i flew into several bubbles thought). just check local and if hostiles arrive warp to safe.. always worked like a charm for me.. but that aint possible in lowsec (always hostiles in system) also you are allready scrambled/webbed by npcs. (well also i 0,0 there are scrambler frigs but only 1-2 of them who pop also faster than the lvl 4 mission scramblers soemhow:)
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