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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:46:17
And you thought this was going to be a flame
I'm going to post few tips on how not to get ganked. these are very simple and easily done. these are not made of stone but work in general vs most of the current pirate population.
1. Bring a wing man.
pirates like to fight when the odds are stacked in their favor. one cruiser/bc/*insert ship here* alone will eventually get attacked but even if you are both pve equiped the solo pirate will find someone else. Even if you do still get attacked the odds of one of you being able to hit the right range for your guns while he yarrs the other one are quite high.
2. Come setup for pvp
This is the best option and if coupled with #1 there are very few pirates that wont end up jumping out. Someone coined the phrase "CareBear with teeth". Most pirates have their mid slots jammed with crap and have much weaker setups/ships than the people they fight. shove it right back up their yarrhole and see how many pirates are around in a month.
3. Avoid obvious gate camps.
Since kali and wtz it takes a whole lot of effort and atleast a few wingmen to gatecamp. if you see an area on your path with podkills it's prolly more than just a single noob with a sniper setup. consider this a flagged mine field and simply go around.
4. DO NOT GO MINING WITHOUT AN ESCORT! people do this and then come whine about pirates on the forum and this boggles the mind...would you try to mine/drive a convoy full of gold in/through the middle of iraq alone?
:In general:
If you ignore these things expect to get ganked to high heavens. if you jump into a shark tank coverd with steaks in the buff you had it comming.
Why as a pirate would i post tips on how to avoid death?
To much wine not enough cheese to go around lets just say.
If people did the above 4 things it would prevent most of the pirate ganks some seem to hate so much.
:A note on pirates in general:
Many Many of the pirates out there only exist because people make it so easy. if a noob went out for some "wtfgankage" and instead of finding hoards of easy kills he ran into angry bears the pirate population would drop in size very quickly. This game has brought a new breed of carebear and it warms my heart to see some of the li'll fellas taking up arms and fighting back.
Most gate campers are spineless noobs that are to lazy/bad at fighting to belt hunt(there are exceptions of corse, snig gardly and such *waves*). with wtz in place there has already been a drop in gate camps and the numbers will just keep going down untill only the organized real pirates are left. the same thing would happen to belt hunting as well if the prey fought back more often.
All i'm going to say enjoy
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also in many games the pvpers hate the carebears with a dark passion because they usually fight to destroy pvp. eve is not like this though. the smart pvpers/pirates have figured out that those spiffy ships and guns they so love to use come from the bears and the bears have figure out that without the pvpers they would have no market. sure if all the pvpers dropped off the face of the universe there would still be a sale here or there to people ratting but there is alot of blood spilt every hour and that blood directly translates to profit for the merchants and the likes. eve is a bloodthirsty game and the more that is shed the faster people get wealthy. it's a beautifull thing 
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[b]This post is not about probes or the "issues" people may or may not have with kali. please post those types of things in the many burning threads throughout the forums and leave my little post in peace.[b] piracy is cool in game thread piracy is not ;)
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:36:31
"1) Missions are one of the last bastions of solo content in the game. Lets face it, if anything eve needs MORE soloable content. People do not always want or have time to fly with friends."
I wasn't speaking about the new missions and probes and such plenty of flame flying around already. dont need more here pls. "the point" is that this is about low sec in general not the new "issues" kali brought. want to fight about probes please find another thread
"2) If you bring 1 person, youre dividing mission rewards by 2. Bring 5, and you divide by 5. How long until its more profitable (even less boring, for those guarding you) to mine veldspar? Not long."
(missions/probes again not the topic)
"3) If you come setup for PVP, the mission may take twice as long, doubling the risk that a pirate will come engage you. They already know what ship youre in and what damage you have to tank before coming. It honestly doesnt matter what your fitting is if your enemy knows exactly what it is before arriving.
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If you were setup for pvp you wouldn't be set up for a certian type of damage and would give him a nasty suprise when he found you. once again though this isn't about missions/probes but low/no sec in general.
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and to possibly head you off at the pass
"Missions are one of the last bastions of solo content in the game"
implying that "the last bastion" has changed/is in peril and thus probes again. i'm not sure what you would of said next but i'm getting really tired of friggen probe threads so i'ma try and steer this one clear preemptivly
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:55:32
thanks i love you guys pls make me more ships XD
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i've been reflecting for the past couple of mins. i still have a truckload of hatred for the "carebears" but as much as i've grown to hate them over the years i have an equal amount of love the the "anrgy bears". those that have begun to adapt i welcome as brothers and that's saying something comming from me 
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:17:00 -
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bump. sorry i want everyone to see this
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Kiyano
Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 00:46:17
Someone coined the phrase "CareBear with teeth".
That wouldn't have been me would it?
I've never seen anyone else use it but used it here a few days ago >.>
Always wanted to coin me own phrase lol.
I think it was actually. and i now have one "angry bears" lets see if they catch on. our new brothers need a proper name.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:14:00 -
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NO fighting over missions damnit XD no! bad peoples! there's like 30 post bickering about all that nooooes no more :)
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:17:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:19:20
Originally by: Miss Overlord
alternative non carebear views are needed here to keep things balanced otherwise eve will cease to be a PVP game and be a PVE shoot em up like WOW
Common pirates get with me lets balance things out a bit
if people want to see both sides of that argument there are zillions of post elsewhere. the second that geddamn topic is mentiond the post instanly catches fire and burns to the ground. no not here no more fighting over freggen missions please. stay on topic nooooo moooooorrrreee fighting over missions. find another thread. that's not just at you. that's at everyone that view this. i will have a single positive thread to read from time to time so help me
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:21:16
i have no idea what you just said but it best not be about missions or something >:(
*trots off to smoke*
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 19:05:41
"No offense merchantigus but you are one of the biggest carebears in eve. You lack the fortitude to engange in real pvp so you gank people in ships not able to pvp. When you are ready to stop being a carebear head out for some real pvp, then come back and talk crap on the boards k?"
hey Flame bait, go kill yourself your wasting my air
"Once scanners hit the place, have fun while you can."
shut the @#%# up about missions and probes
"The original post is worthless.
We all know that stuff."
Obviously not and shut the @#$@# up about missions and probes
"PO: mayb ppl would listn to you more if you wern't so condecending"
It's op and jesus hates you
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.02 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 21:46:19
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 21:44:09
"A lot of people however are industrialists and generalists and are willing to take up arms if they feel thay have a reasonable chance to win through.
This post is best aimed at them."
indeed :)
also to the other dude. a "true carebear" may not enjoy the combat but he sure as hell enjoys all the yummy isk to be made out there  I know this because many moons ago i was a miner in a small production corp. i hated pirates and so did all the others in my corp but we made some sexy money out there and that made it worth it.
If no one in your corp can fight worth a sod hire a few pilots that can. 1 battleship will keep away or kill most of the noobs out there and for that 1 extra body you can bring in some serious money.
You could buy minerals in high sec. you could pay someone to haul it for you or you could just go get them yourselves. Hard to beat the price of free.
to each his own though
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.02 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 00:09:40
"So I don't give crap whether I add something to the game _for you_ or not. I just stated the fact: if soloing the game becomes impossible, that's it for me and I believe for other people as well."
Good go away.
it's not impossible to do alone but there is more risk and therefore more reward as you dont have to split anything.
if i go out mining alone and don't pay attention to local i would accept the gank that came a few mins later and be more carefull the next time. if you don't learn and refuse to adapt stop playing eve so we don't have to keep listening to you.
"I have tried 0.0, I have tried pvp. I didn't like it for a number of reasons, found it extremely boring actually, and got back to empire space."
"i went out to .0 and got podded over and over"
"The whole mantra with "this is a pvp game and should be played like that" is crap as well. WTF is this, some self-righteous protestant sect that's only too happy to tell you how to live? I lead my life, both RL and in game, the way I like, and I tend to resent people who tell me that "you should do this and that". You are free to do whatever you like, pirating and such, whatever, but the moment it becomes impossible for me to do what I choose, is the moment I choose a friendlier place."
It's not that we care what or how you do it. what people mean by this is a pvp game is exactly that. sure you can mine but you best not do it alone.
The whole thing with eve is this. if you go out into this world with no backup and a fitting that couldn't fight it's way out of a pvp sack you will get slaughterd and the rest of us will continue to take your stuff, laugh and then sell it back to you. simple as that.
"the moment it becomes impossible for me to do what I choose, (without any forethought or use of my noggin), is the moment I choose a friendlier place(aka whine on the forums)."
If you are looking for a friendly place you the picked the worst possible game.
whatever it is you chose will always be possible but you have to think and adapt(same as the pvpers).
1.stop trying to run missions only set up for that type of damage with guns and ammo that only work vs 1 type of damage alone in yarr land.
2.Stop trying to go out in a gunless miner alone.
3.Stop jumping through gates with 5 pod kills in the past hour.
4. stop whinning when you ignore common sense and get wtfpwnd.
Don't jump into a shark tank coverd in steaks dressed in nothing but your skinnies. and if you do it anyway shut the f up when you get bitten.
As i said up there in the op most pirates are clueless nubs that fitted a warp jammer. these are the people that are killing you over and over again because you keep walking into it everytime. stop being such a wussy and the number of pirates will drop through the floor.
they have to kill you to win all you have to do is scare them off and if you cant fend off a clueless nub you don't belong here.
If you set up for pve as normal but o say set up to take many damage types and bring guns that shot something besides peas you will wtfpwn most pirates. we have 3 of our mid slots full. for most cruisers that's all of them. you have more slots and craploads more isk. most pirates fly cheap ships because 1. we are broke and 2. @#$%# carebears keep comming out to play with worthless setups. the only reason piracy works as well as it does is because of people just like you. keep it up hoss
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 00:37:03
] Originally by: Seldon Corran
I'd love for every 'carebear' and solo player in Eve to leave Eve, if only to show these 'Eve is PvP.. play it that way, MY way, or go away' idiots that the game would be very quiet. I, for one, have cancelled my two accounts. Not out of protest for any patch features or for anything other than I am bored with the PvE content. I'm sure that I will be back sometime, hopefully by then CCP can decide what type of game they are making.
The only PvP game that appeals to me is Chess. I don't dislike PvP, and I respect those that do it, but it's simply not something that appeals to me.
They have it's a pvp game.
I did the exact same thing you did and got bored within a month. then i came back a second time and joined a .0 mining /ratting corp and i've been here ever since... if all you want to do is bap the same brain dead npcs over and over again good riddens. there are hundreds of games that offer this and only this. Eve isn't only about pvp. All these pvpers that "ruin your fun" need ships and the people that make those ships need minerals. and the people that mine those minerals need guards. you and many others just don't get it. please go play eq2 or something before ccp gives in to your crap and kills the game.
Everyone h8s the way eve is? then why has it doubled in size and continued to grow over the years? as long as they don't give you what you want and let the others keep what they play for it will continue to grow. 
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and not everyone that pvps is a pirate out to gank miners. large ship production corps sell ships to other huge corps that then take these ships and try to claim the universe as their own only to run into the corp that sold them the ships and now have better ships+ all the money ;) There is an entire living breathing universe and you refuse to partake in it. instead you kill the same drab npcs over and over and whine about how there is nothing to do.
and i too would love to see every last carebear leave eve. it would leave only pvpers and "Angry Bears" left which would make the world a much better place.
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 03/12/2006 00:51:10
"wow..I just thought of SWG just now.. SWG was a world simulation..but... the yeah...enough said..."
Swg died because they gave in to attitudes like the above few posters. the reson i fight and hate with so much passion is because i'll be damned before i see that happen to my beloved eve.
"The OP is kinda schizophrenic is he?"
Yes i am. i'm also very angry and under your bed.
ps you missed the point of the post btw
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whine? WHine?! WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHHhhhHHHIiiiiINEeeE!!1111!!!
"FINE have it your way welcome to suck."
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:58:00 -
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"SWG died cause people keep whining"
exactly.
pvpers whine about this or that ship having a slight advantage or this or that mod is overpowerd this months and that low sec is empty.
Carebears whine about getting shot at and cosntantly want things changed to hugalot land.
Low sec wouldn't be empty if there was something worth ratting for(as this is what every carebear i've ever seen on the forum does all day long?) and if there were less noobs with guns and a jammer. there would be less noobs with guns if the morons that keep going out there with expensive stuff that's worthless in combat stuck a webber, multi types of resist and perhaps some light drones. If you stop being easy target noobs will stop trying to gank because it wont work.
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