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Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:16:00 - [1] 6x Med nos 3x SD 1x MWD 1x Scram Nanos/inerta stabs/whatever in the lows 5x heavy drones I fail to see how this is not broken, and not capable of even defeating battleships. ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:22:00 - [2] Its apparently because if you ever do manage to get a lock you can kill the drones. Although at that point the Myrm can just scoop the drones and redeploy meaning you have to waste another couple minutes trying to relock and will be dead by then, but thats apparently balanced.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:24:00 - [3] Clearly balanced. ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:27:00 - [4] its gallente i think its in their backstory somewhere to have the winbuttons Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
Ho1iday	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:29:00 - [5] then a taranis, or crow, or any other inty or 2, comes along and kills you.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.12.02 01:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Ho1iday then a taranis, or crow, or any other inty or 2, comes along and kills you. 1 inty alone could pwn the drones but not the myrms tank i think...but still carrying 5 heavies is dumb imo. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.02 02:09:00 - [7] It could probably kill my crusader but if i could stay out of nos range and pop the drones its only a matter of time.... until someone else comes over and pops you because my inty doesnt have the punch to do so. ------------- Cadet Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.12.02 02:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Ho1iday then a taranis, or crow, or any other inty or 2, comes along and kills you. An inty hit with 3 sensor damps is going to have to come within nos range to get a lock. At that point its goodbye MWD and hello dead inty.
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.02 02:52:00 - [9] Edited by: Lithalnas on 02/12/2006 02:52:44 its its a pure drone ship then there is no need to shoot at the ship for a bit, just pop the drones outside of nos range, they come to you remember. Then once they are somewhat helpless without their drones, pound away at their shield with your guns, you dont even have to orbit. ------------- Cadet Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
Speed Devil Caldari Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2006.12.02 03:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Its apparently because if you ever do manage to get a lock you can kill the drones. Although at that point the Myrm can just scoop the drones and redeploy meaning you have to waste another couple minutes trying to relock and will be dead by then, but thats apparently balanced. yep, this should be fixed fought a thorax once in my rifter, and i tried to kill the drones, all he did was scooping them up and redeploying them so the shield got repaired needless to say, i had to run, i couldnt sustain tank against 5 medium drones, but i could have vs 3 and in the meanwhile killing the thorax... this is a ******* exploit and should be fixed
Gonna Change	Posted - 2006.12.02 03:35:00 - [11] that is no more an exploit than a nanophoon or fast domi or interceptor or any other fast ship. get used to it http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aresbg115dc.gif
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.02 03:56:00 - [12] Originally by: Gonna Change that is no more an exploit than a nanophoon or fast domi or interceptor or any other fast ship. get used to it Wow, intys are exploits now? I think a triple-damp, 6-nos, MWDing battlecruiser exploiting the drone bug is a liiiiitle higher than speed-tanking. ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.02 04:19:00 - [13] don't just shoot the drones, WEB THEM!! since the problem is only heavy drones, most probably you'll get them to less than 150 m/s when they will try and mwd back to the myrm. Plenty of time to kill it tbh. Of course in this case you won't web the myrm itself, but it's your choise :)
Ergo Morte Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.02 04:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Nicocat 6x Med nos 3x SD 1x MWD 1x Scram Nanos/inerta stabs/whatever in the lows 5x heavy drones I fail to see how this is not broken, and not capable of even defeating battleships. you might kill a few noobs in BS in it but it's a dumb setup. A fleeting web with the BS moving in a straight line at full speed will drop your transversal enough to hit well with most short range guns and some long range guns with high enough SP and modules, the Myr even with all those speed mods isn't that fast, of course against missiles your paper thin and will pop in about 90 sec. Tank the drones, counter NOS with NOS.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.12.02 04:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Nicocat 6x Med nos 3x SD 1x MWD 1x Scram Nanos/inerta stabs/whatever in the lows 5x heavy drones I fail to see how this is not broken, and not capable of even defeating battleships. I kill the drones and you can't kill me. Yah, that's overpowered alright. You can't even scoop your own drones because you're too fast.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.02 05:12:00 - [16] Couple things to clear up: 1) I don't fly Gallente. 2) The SDs will pretty much make it so you can't target beyond, oh... 10km if you're lucky, and take 3 minutes to target drones. More than enough for the Myrm to just hover at 10km, nos you dead, and retract his drones every minute or so to ruin locking cycles. ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.02 05:14:00 - [17] I see everybody saying things like "just pop the drones" and I felt compelled to share some info... I've been a drone pilot, using medium T1 drones (in a domi). My drone skills are high and even T1 Med Drones hit hard as hell. Once they are on top of you, they are small, fast and very hard to track. If you do manage to lock and hit my drones, you will need a few hits thanks to drone durability lvl 5. And if you do pop one of my drones, by the time you're locking the 2nd, a new replacement drone from my bay will be on top of you. I really love it when plp go after my drones...if they only new how many replacements I have on the drone bay... So yeah... "just pop the drones"
Ketrin	Posted - 2006.12.02 05:30:00 - [18] stfu whiners. Both sides.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.12.02 05:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Nicocat Couple things to clear up: 1) I don't fly Gallente. 2) The SDs will pretty much make it so you can't target beyond, oh... 10km if you're lucky, and take 3 minutes to target drones. More than enough for the Myrm to just hover at 10km, nos you dead, and retract his drones every minute or so to ruin locking cycles. so basically you are making conjectures about a ship you cant even fly? click my sig
Luric Vizjier The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.02 06:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: Azerrad InExile Its apparently because if you ever do manage to get a lock you can kill the drones. Although at that point the Myrm can just scoop the drones and redeploy meaning you have to waste another couple minutes trying to relock and will be dead by then, but thats apparently balanced. yep, this should be fixed fought a thorax once in my rifter, and i tried to kill the drones, all he did was scooping them up and redeploying them so the shield got repaired needless to say, i had to run, i couldnt sustain tank against 5 medium drones, but i could have vs 3 and in the meanwhile killing the thorax... this is a ******* exploit and should be fixed Drones should get an aggro timer just like ships do, so they can't be scooped if they have agressed within the past... say 30 seconds or so. -----------------------------------------------
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2006.12.02 06:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Nicocat Couple things to clear up: 1) I don't fly Gallente. 2) The SDs will pretty much make it so you can't target beyond, oh... 10km if you're lucky, and take 3 minutes to target drones. More than enough for the Myrm to just hover at 10km, nos you dead, and retract his drones every minute or so to ruin locking cycles. It's ok, I guess we can give you some tips being you're obviously new to combat. :) All nos setups can work and can be effective but don't hold your breath. Nos is not DPS and all your DPS goes to your drones. I'm sure you fit all heavies which means it's easier to destroy your DPS. Once your DPS is gone, then you're stuck with just NOS. Nos is not damage and it's useless in some cases where cap injectors are used. Sensor damps are long range EW. However, they can be effective in damping targets locking range very short. The thing is, if you're using damps close range then you give them the advantage of GETTING in the range to lock. Simple logic right? The setup quoted in the original topic is a prime example of a pilot who doesn't know what to fit but instead mimics other pilots who do not know how to fit. So the topic is really void. Try more setups. Nos is a good module to fit and can be very effective in combat. All nos setups are very effective in squad combat too but blasters are too good to passup on this ship. Also, take my advice if you're going to use damps. Then use rails, 20k warp disruptor, and drones. Don't worrie about nos and keep your range out of the targets range. In a sense like all matarships. Kite the target... Vile - Recruiting Pirates
Smackanastoroid	Posted - 2006.12.02 06:29:00 - [22] accualy i believe this is a good tactic just because a player makes a deccissio to target drones instead of the player does not make it an exploit. It's a classic diversion at best. look out! Astoroid..aaaaaaaa
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2006.12.02 06:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Shameless Avenger I see everybody saying things like "just pop the drones" and I felt compelled to share some info... I've been a drone pilot, using medium T1 drones (in a domi). My drone skills are high and even T1 Med Drones hit hard as hell. Once they are on top of you, they are small, fast and very hard to track. If you do manage to lock and hit my drones, you will need a few hits thanks to drone durability lvl 5. And if you do pop one of my drones, by the time you're locking the 2nd, a new replacement drone from my bay will be on top of you. I really love it when plp go after my drones...if they only new how many replacements I have on the drone bay... So yeah... "just pop the drones" Myrm with heavies have no repleacements and if they are only using mids that chnged the dps greatly and it was barrly over 600 with maxed stats and using t2. Personally that set up looks ****ty, then again I think full nos set ups are dumb, but that's just me. A half decent brutix pilot would take down the wave of heavies one by one, if your want it to be blaster or rail, if it's rails then a nos set up is almost fully screwed FYI and the brutix pilot would normally use t1 lights if rails, do drones leave mini wrecks?
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.02 07:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Originally by: Nicocat Couple things to clear up: 1) I don't fly Gallente. 2) The SDs will pretty much make it so you can't target beyond, oh... 10km if you're lucky, and take 3 minutes to target drones. More than enough for the Myrm to just hover at 10km, nos you dead, and retract his drones every minute or so to ruin locking cycles. It's ok, I guess we can give you some tips being you're obviously new to combat. :) All nos setups can work and can be effective but don't hold your breath. Nos is not DPS and all your DPS goes to your drones. I'm sure you fit all heavies which means it's easier to destroy your DPS. Once your DPS is gone, then you're stuck with just NOS. Nos is not damage and it's useless in some cases where cap injectors are used. Sensor damps are long range EW. However, they can be effective in damping targets locking range very short. The thing is, if you're using damps close range then you give them the advantage of GETTING in the range to lock. Simple logic right? The setup quoted in the original topic is a prime example of a pilot who doesn't know what to fit but instead mimics other pilots who do not know how to fit. So the topic is really void. Try more setups. Nos is a good module to fit and can be very effective in combat. All nos setups are very effective in squad combat too but blasters are too good to passup on this ship. Also, take my advice if you're going to use damps. Then use rails, 20k warp disruptor, and drones. Don't worrie about nos and keep your range out of the targets range. In a sense like all matarships. Kite the target... sigh I'm not new, tiny. This is a fit suggested by a corpmate that he demonstrated on a Domi (bigger nos, still 3x damps, same drones and same drone bonus, no guns). It's frightening. And it's not MY fit, damnit. I fly a Hurricane, thank you very much. As for the damps, with the right skills, this can take down the average BS's lock range from whatever it is to under scram range. With best named damps: 80 x .4 = 32km 32 * .6 (assuming the second is 60% effective due to stacking penalty, dunno the real number) = 19.2km (already under scram range) And so on. The third one is just icing on the cake. Sure, you MIGHT be locked if you get too close, but just float out from nos range to scram range and then back in for another 3 minutes of free shooting. Rinse and repeat. I'm just throwing out the fit I was told, I don't use it, I don't use Gallente ships, and I'm not new to PvP. Bunch a rude bastards... ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.12.02 07:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Nicocat 6x Med nos 3x SD 1x MWD 1x Scram Nanos/inerta stabs/whatever in the lows 5x heavy drones I fail to see how this is not broken, and not capable of even defeating battleships. uhhh shoot the drones? send ur drones onto those 5 heavy drones than wat will ur gallente BC do? DIEEEE What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.02 07:53:00 - [26] Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: Nicocat 6x Med nos 3x SD 1x MWD 1x Scram Nanos/inerta stabs/whatever in the lows 5x heavy drones I fail to see how this is not broken, and not capable of even defeating battleships. uhhh shoot the drones? send ur drones onto those 5 heavy drones than wat will ur gallente BC do? DIEEEE Again, several minutes to lock a drone, only to have the Myrm pull them back in, since he's at most 10km away. Plenty of time, even if they're under fire already (remember the drone HP bonus) ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.12.02 08:19:00 - [27] Passive tank + missiles or projectiles > you. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Romulan Dominiae	Posted - 2006.12.02 08:21:00 - [28] Edited by: Romulan Dominiae on 02/12/2006 08:22:06 nm
Romulan Dominiae	Posted - 2006.12.02 08:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Originally by: Nicocat 6x Med nos 3x SD 1x MWD 1x Scram Nanos/inerta stabs/whatever in the lows 5x heavy drones I fail to see how this is not broken, and not capable of even defeating battleships. I kill the drones and you can't kill me. Yah, that's overpowered alright. You can't even scoop your own drones because you're too fast. if you can't fly a ship it doesnt mean its not overpowerd.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.02 08:33:00 - [30] Oh well, I suppose it's lost on the group here... since people still think I'm flying the damn thing. Nevermind it all. ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!

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