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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 05:51:44
if you are suggesting that in .5 or above concord or something defend you as they do outside of missions i see no problem. of you are suggesting it for .4 or below die? low/no sec means just that. and while you can hunt rats untill your eyes bleed this always has and unless people like you have their way always will be a pvp game. dont like it? leave. there are hundreds of carebare games out there and aside from guild wars this is all we have. we didn't ask you to come here and you won't be missed if you leave.
that said. most carebears in eve have adapted to the swing of things and have gained my respect.
whiney carebear that wants guns nurfed because they can kill people? die pls.
carebear that understands combat is a likelyhood and fits/employs tactics accordingly? welcome to eve brothers. and welcome to your new title in this blood filled land. i deem thee "Angry Bears"
both sides have to adapt or die. dont like it? dont let the door hit you.
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"Players that want to take on missions and earn their prize at the end should not have to deal with a griefer who swoops in and kills the npc boss (steals the loot) as the mission owner is busy taking care of other mission npcs"
here's a crazy frecking thought btw. stick some real guns on that puppy and blow him to hell?
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:57:00 -
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The *best* you can hope for is a kill flag. Just like can theft, Concord wont stop it but they will look the other way on some revenge.
same as it is in the rest of .5 space this i would not mind at all.
"Without these police checks the griefers would rule this game. And you would have one of the most bitter, unfriendly, rude, and immature gaming experiences on the market."
Funny we have very few rules to live by compared to other games. ever try to run "missions" in contested territory on wow?
"A game is a recreational activity involving one or more players. This can be defined by A) a goal that the players try to reach."
My goal is to make people like you cry untill you leave so the rest of us can play in peace.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:26:00 -
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if it makes the two of you feel any better i'm the reason they stay out of low sec as well  i hate carebears that want to wuss up the game but i also hate skilless noobs calling themselves pirates equally as much.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 06:44:10
"It's like joining in on a friendly game of football only you decide to bring a sledgehammer and break the other player's knees with it so that you can make sure you win."
you've perked my intrest continue :)
as i said .5+ add flagging or something. same rules apply to people harassing miners.
"if you are suggesting that in .5 or above concord or something defend you as they do outside of missions i see no problem."
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Draylon
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Ah but in this football game is it ok for the Team to be all set to go, walking onto the pitch and have someone run on and steal the ball ?
Absolutely, just don't bring a sledgehammer, a gun or a knife. Don't drive your car onto the field to make sure the other team can't stop the steal. Don't try stealing the ball BEFORE the ref has started the game.
Don't go on the field during halftime (while the other team is in the locker) kick the ball into the goal and claim a score.
Don't take steroids or other illegal drugs to ensure that you win.
etc etc etc...
Just play by the rules and intent of the game, whatever the game creators/referees have establised them to be. So that all sides can enjoy a challenging match.
Everytime you make a post i have a flashback of the fun i've had doing things like this in the past few weeks.
it's eve. the only reason there is high sec and pve content is to act as a buffer while people figure what's up and either adapt or leave(and in the start it was there because there was nothing else). if you are sitting there ratting and i chose to warp in take your phat lewts pod you and urinate on your corpse so be it. learn to fight back or leave.
I know that isn't what this post was originally about but you keep saying the same thing over and over. flagging in .5 for bapping rats/taking loot? sure. being perfectly safe anywhere in eve besides a station? when hell freezes over or iceland melts..
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 07:27:39
"So your going to hunt down 1 player by name and kill him a few times to force him to play how you want, to see eve how you see eve... I just lost any respect i had for you oh and to me thats harrasment."
Sure hoss that's why they put agents in the game for the sole purpose of tracking people down. you think they put these in so we could track you down and hug you?
and it's not that i care how any of you play. it's the constant whining and nerf/change this and that and gankers and pvp omg!1! and WHAAAa i constantly see everyday that makes hunting you top priority. mining corp in .0? i might harass them but it's all fun. bunghole whinning total anti pvp carebear that's been whinning on the forums? two words. fresh fish.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:33:00 -
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"No there ingame to track people down, but i'd think there for tracking war targets, people with bounties, not people who see the game diffrently to another player or someone you had a disagreement with on the forums."
if i went over to crime and punishment and smack talked sn iggerdly on my main i would expect nothing less than to be ruthlessly hunted down and slaughterd for days on end. if you post with your main and **** off craploads of pvpers and pirates i would expect this to happen.
Unlike sn igger i would eventually get bored and move on
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 07:36:12
Hes not going waaa Anti-PVP
"People run missions, a few people Scan the mission in high sec space warp to it, take the mission goal and warp out, the mission runner has zero defence on this but costs the runner a lot in standings."
as i freaking said i have no problem with the .5 rules for ore cans and concord acting in the same way in missions. his original post? no. since then? 
If flagging worked in missions like the rest of .5 i'm sure within the hour someone would be back whining because he let the pirate walk away with his stuff.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 07:44:22
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 07:43:01
Originally by: Kemuel
Two different things I want to reply to.. first will be about the OP.
Simple solution to this problem:
Make all mission specific loot only affected by the mission owner. Everyone can SEE the can... but can't loot/destroy it unless they are the mission owner.
Voila!
Pie-rats can still crash the party.. still cause some "grief" as it were by camping the mission until they either get blown up by mission runner and Co. or the can goes poof....
Now... as for hunting down people that complain about broken game mechanics on the forums...
Yes, you are totally within your rights to do it... it does however re-inforce the (however untrue) idea that EVE is filled with loutish selfish bullies that want your lunch money. Just because YOU like the idea of ruining someones gametime by taking a mission specific item dosen't mean it is remotely a concept the devs have.. or should agree with.
I'll just get my ship ready now.. since I'm sure I just got added to your "whiney carebear" list :)
nope it take some work(ooooh say about 2 pages worth of crap) to end up there. what you did was post an idea and a statment. no whine here.
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and untill this post i wasn't one of the people that even does that. i never come above .4 space. it's not where this thread started that has me so annoyed it's where it's gone since then.
I'd much rather be out stalking my prey than hunting some hapeless noob in .5 but i can make a detour or two along the way
I want the whinning to stop and if i have to hunt down and slaughter every last "greifer" and "carebear" to do it then so be it.
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 07:55:20
"Why should lowsec be any different? If you want PvP.. then PvP... don't just come swooping in to take mission loot and flee. Even in lowsec this is hard to defend against since a mission runner is generally not set up with scram/webs to prevent pie-rats from stealing the mission loot.
Am I wrong in thinking this way?"
Honestly it's been so long since i ran a mission i'm not even sure anymore. i remember something about same ships over and over and loot or something and then there's alot of dead people...what was i saying? oh yes
in eve if there is a counter there is no problem. if when they enterd the mission area they were flagged as if they had just looted a can i see no problem. or if they took something and got flagged... i'm not seeing however how you guys just let some random dude beat you to your cans? if i was in a mission and there was a boss on me i'd make sure i was close enough to the boss to get the loot and as i always fly fit for pvp i would kill the crap out of him for troubling me. this might be a problem untill some type of flagging for people that care about sec rating though.
what are the odds of some guy showing up just in time to run in grab the one mission item you need and then lollering off into the sunset?
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
how about you create a corp and wardec the offenders instead of hiding in a npc corp and whine on the forum that the game isnt wow or sims online enough for you.
because most of them are in the npc corp(the "pirates") because they are noobs and fear the bigger fish out in the sea that h8 them
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Merchantigus
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Posted - 2006.12.02 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 08:03:37
"There is no counter. Once the pie-rat has the loot.. he's gone.
What about snipersetups? or slowboats? Both of these (very common) mission setups are hosed if a pie-rat wants to scoop thier mission loot. My idea still lets the pie-rat TRY to ruin the mission runners day but gives the power BACK to the mission runner to grab friends and FIGHT BACK.
Think about it.. ACTUAL PvP not at a station or gate!"
whatever you jus said ftw i'm gonig to bed 
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