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Inslander Wessette
Killers of Paranoid Souls Universal Paranoia Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.21 19:58:12 -
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I find that Tech 3 destroyers are not in the same competition or league of other ships ( T1 destroyers and Assault frigates) that can enter a small FW complex . Even with 5 T1 destroyers one cannot kill a hecate or svipul . As such i have no problem with Tech 3 destroyers but i think they should be able to enter medium complex only and not small . This adds up to one of reasons people don't use Assault frigates and T1 destroyers as much . |
Mr Duffo
Operation Meatshield
137
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Posted - 2015.07.21 20:31:41 -
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My algos has killed and died to them in 1v1. They all have their weaknesses so pew pew boom |
Cyber SGB
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
100
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Posted - 2015.07.21 21:05:12 -
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Inslander Wessette wrote:I find that Tech 3 destroyers are not in the same competition or league of other ships ( T1 destroyers and Assault frigates) that can enter a small FW complex . Even with 5 T1 destroyers one cannot kill a hecate or svipul . As such i have no problem with Tech 3 destroyers but i think they should be able to enter medium complex only and not small . This adds up to one of reasons people don't use Assault frigates and T1 destroyers as much .
False. I've seen T3 destroyers killed with less.
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
135
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Posted - 2015.07.21 21:59:10 -
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Check my bio. I'm afraid it's the pilot that's i. A different league. Not the ship
I've killed three of em. And have been killed by them. |
Daemun Khanid
Sanctus Imperialis
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Posted - 2015.07.21 22:36:02 -
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Have killed t3's in a solo frigate. Flown and fit well they can be tough but 5 t1 dessi's and you can't kill one? Only way that can even happen is if you are completely naive to the concept of tactics/strengths/weaknesses and you're just letting him kill you. Simply do the math, 5 t1's at a measly 250 dps and 10k ehp (both numbers houls be much higher unless you're all 2 week old pilots) gives you 1250 dps and 50k ehp. If he's in a Hecate maxed for dps and tank he's got what 700 dps and 25k ehp max? (just a guess, don't fly hecates but imagine that isn't far from what's possible) If you can't kill that with nearly twice the dps and twice the ehp then you are obviously failing to apply what you have at your disposal and that's an experience/skill/tactic problem. Not a t3 problem. Not saying that a situation can't happen where 5 t1's can't kill a t3. Maybe your 5 man fleet of brawl dessi's comes across a kite t3 and for whatever reason you engage him when he's already got the kite advantage. Then perhaps you can't kill him but you shouldn't be dying either, save maybe one of you. But in that situation the problem isn't t3 vs t1 it's kite vs brawl. A kite slicer could just as easily kill you without you being able to touch him.
Daemun of Khanid
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Kaivar Lancer
Hier Trading Company
654
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Posted - 2015.07.21 22:38:17 -
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T3s can be killed by T1 destroyers. It's relatively rare, but doable.
Example 1 https://zkillboard.com/kill/47618457/
Example 2 https://zkillboard.com/kill/47604799/ |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1211
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Posted - 2015.07.21 22:43:40 -
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Inslander Wessette wrote:Even with 5 T1 destroyers one cannot kill a hecate or svipul.
You need to visit the PIZZA school of thrasher piloting, mate. |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2015.07.21 22:44:55 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/46197800/ |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2043
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Posted - 2015.07.21 22:58:52 -
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Inslander Wessette wrote:Tech 3 Destroyers OP for small FW plex. . Fixed. (Handful of exceptions do not dismiss this.)
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Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2015.07.21 23:04:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Tech 3 Destroyers OP for small FW plex. . Exactly. And they certainly don't belong in small plexes. I'd be very surprised if they weren't removed from whatever the equivalent of the small plex is in the upcoming FW revision.
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2015.07.21 23:42:23 -
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Their op compared to what exactly? T1 and t2 frigs? I surely hope so. To t1 and t2 Dessie's? I don't see any reason they shouldn't outclass all the previously mentioned ships.
That being said, their certainly not invincible. Several examples listed here
I think in total I've engaged 7 of em and killed 4. Not bad for a frig jockey |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2015.07.21 23:47:23 -
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I've a theory that I can kill a gal t3d in a kestrel. I'll be working on that next time I get to play |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
11368
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Posted - 2015.07.22 00:19:41 -
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Darth Terona wrote:I've a theory that I can kill a gal t3d in a kestrel. I'll be working on that next time I get to play Oh I don't doubt it. You just need to locate a newbie that felt they had no way to compete unless they trained directly into T3D's not even having adequate core skills for a T1 frig yet.
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
136
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Posted - 2015.07.22 00:25:05 -
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That's why I will be hunting finuture |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.07.22 01:34:46 -
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Darth Terona wrote:I've a theory that I can kill a gal t3d in a kestrel. I'll be working on that next time I get to play Dual webs?
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captain skinback
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.07.22 01:36:24 -
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tristans op in all FW plex |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
139
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Posted - 2015.07.22 01:42:56 -
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Td |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.22 02:10:04 -
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Atron FTW!
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solrac lara
The Soul Society DeepSpace.
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Posted - 2015.07.22 03:19:22 -
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Noob question how do you deal with one on a small plex? which kind of ship is better for the job ? |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:45:13 -
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solrac lara wrote:Noob question how do you deal with one on a small plex? which kind of ship is better for the job ?
From my research, the best solo ships to kill a T3D with is a Sentinel, Rail Comet, Tristan, Dragoon, Algos and maybe the Cruor.
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Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
435
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Posted - 2015.07.22 05:48:35 -
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Beating them at their own game and fielding a T3D of your own is by far the most straightforward and reliable method. Not only that but by using an OP ship you can crush other ship classes without issue. It's really not a mystery as to why the introduction of the T3Ds has caused a loss of variety across all areas of space, since theyre just so incredibly better than other ship options.
Sentinel would be your best bet otherwise, but only a highly inexperienced pilot would willingly engage one of those. Otherwise as Daniela said some sort of kite setup to leverage the higher base velocity of frigates such as a Worm, rail DD, hookbill, slicer etc would work, but you have to keep in mind that one screw up while you're chewing through the big t3 tank numbers and you'll get shredded in short work. |
Inslander Wessette
Killers of Paranoid Souls Universal Paranoia Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:22:32 -
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Darth Terona wrote:Their op compared to what exactly? T1 and t2 frigs? I surely hope so. To t1 and t2 Dessie's? I don't see any reason they shouldn't outclass all the previously mentioned ships.
That being said, their certainly not invincible. Several examples listed here
I think in total I've engaged 7 of em and killed 4. Not bad for a frig jockey
So u can also kill a vexor or stabber using a vengeance, does that allow T1 cruisers to enter small plexes ?? Just because ur good with all ur skills and drugs/links doesnt mean some one who joined FW with 5 mil sp can do what u do .
A simple example of what i am saying is, If u see alliance tournament rules. A T3D has 6 points same as a T1 cruiser . Whereas assault/electronic frigs are 5. Even ccp knows they are above it .
FW plexes are nice places where new players can learn in cheap T1 ships . T3D are jus ruining by jumping in them.
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
142
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:26:52 -
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I don't run links scouts. I'm a true solo player.
However, in the case of your argument, do t engage the t3. Nothing keeping you planted, just leave when you see it on dscan |
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
63
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Posted - 2015.07.22 10:13:32 -
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Darth Terona wrote:I don't run links scouts. I'm a true solo player.
However, in the case of your argument, do t engage the t3. Nothing keeping you planted, just leave when you see it on dscan
I think it's bull a worm, which is far more deadly, can enter novices. Always going to be that top tier ship that can enter your plex. It's up to you to take the fight or run. If not t3d getting into small sits assault frigs, combat interceptors and electronic attack ships. Always will be a bigger fish. Deal with it
This.
I am far more willing to engage T3D with T1 frigate than Garmur and Worm. Those two ships can enter Novice - even a T3D have difficulties in catching and killing them; short of the Garmur and Worm pilot screw up. A linked and snaked Garmur going 8k/s is nigh impssible to kill not even with a blob. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1019
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Posted - 2015.07.22 12:12:22 -
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T3Ds are good and versatile but not invincible, far from that. I had a couple of tough and tight 1:1 matches with my Svipul against Algos destroyers, which I all won but not easy mode. Against gangs single Confessors and Svipuls are not much of a deal. I have no experience with Jackdaw and Hecate. Also I'm studying the killboards and there are a lot of suboptimal fitted T3Ds out there which could be countered the one way or the other. For example the MWD, AC, buffer fit Svipul can be countered by scram-kiting, I was once killed by a single Firetail with Arties, TD, Web and AB.
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
142
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Posted - 2015.07.22 14:07:18 -
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I honestly do not understand how a well flown/fit Svipul could ever lose to an Algos unless it was a low ehp arty fit getting scrammed. I engaged almost the worst case scenario Algos for me (triple neut) last night in my Svipul (Over prop, Shield boosted) and i did not even come close to hitting 50% shields without blue pill.
A linked Sentinel is about the only thing i fear when flying that Svipul outside of a 5-10 man frig/dessy gang or something silly like a Curse. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2048
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Posted - 2015.07.22 14:18:46 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:... Also I'm studying the killboards and there are a lot of suboptimal fitted T3Ds out there ... Temporary until standard fits are shared around enough.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Daemun Khanid
Sanctus Imperialis
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Posted - 2015.07.22 17:09:22 -
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solrac lara wrote:Noob question how do you deal with one on a small plex? which kind of ship is better for the job ?
Depends on what kind. Hecate? Svipul? Confessor? Jackdaw? How is it likely fit? Does the pilot tend to prefer mwd, ab or 10mn ab? Do they likely have neuts? Scram/web or long point? The same fact exists as mentioned before, you are fighting the pilot and his/her tactics not just a canned ship. Use available intel, figure out how they are most likely fit and then counter it. A condor can completely own a svipul if the situation is right. In all honesty I find a worm sitting in a small plex a bigger threat than most T3's.
Daemun of Khanid
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
48
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Posted - 2015.07.23 07:31:51 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:solrac lara wrote:Noob question how do you deal with one on a small plex? which kind of ship is better for the job ? Depends on what kind. Hecate? Svipul? Confessor? Jackdaw? How is it likely fit? Does the pilot tend to prefer mwd, ab or 10mn ab? Do they likely have neuts? Scram/web or long point? The same fact exists as mentioned before, you are fighting the pilot and his/her tactics not just a canned ship. Use available intel, figure out how they are most likely fit and then counter it. A condor can completely own a svipul if the situation is right. In all honesty I find a worm sitting in a small plex a bigger threat than most T3's.
The Worm and Garmur eh. I completely overlooked those OP pawnmobiles. Are these Worms you fear, passive shield tanked or active shield tanked? |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
139
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:14:13 -
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any t3 losing to a worm is a complete braindead individual with a garbage fit, really.
2 scenarios. if he's in scram range, he dies. If he's not, you kill his drones, any decently fit t3 dessie can **** them up faster than they can drop its tank. |
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