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Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:30:00 - [1] Does anyone really like them there? Wrecks should always have been a PvP only feature: mission runners and ratters did not need: a) More profit b) More boring tasks c) More **** cluttering up their screens. Obviously you'd have to vastly decrease rig building requirements, but they are stupid at the moment anyway. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:34:00 - [2] 'bears and 'noobs whined that NO. So CCP will not do this .. sadly. "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Kuolematon 'bears and 'noobs whined that NO. So CCP will not do this .. sadly. Yet now they are whining that they have too many wrecks, just because they killed hundreds of ships Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:35:00 - [4] ^^ what he said. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:49:00 - [5] a) as per (b) and (c) and current drop rate it is hardly a profit b) true c) true However. If you make wrecks a PvP only thing (as in, they drop from player ships only) rig prices will make HAC prices look fine and dandy. My thoughts on the whole thing? Up until now CCP's mini-professions were successful and did not mess with other aspects of gameplay. They were optional. If you wanted to do them [mini-professions] you could do it - more power (and ISK) to you. Salvaging in it's current state messes with other aspects (missions, NPCing) way too much. That much, I think, is obvious. It only brings frustration to the table. No doubt Devs have a plan. We'll see how it works out. My suggestion? Have wracks and cans both. Loot drops in cans, wracks are salvageable. Everyone's happy. Vultures salvage wracks, looters loot cans, someone does both. No, this does not generate more lag (certainly not more then the current situation) and most likely won't touch your FPS. Everyone's happy.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:51:00 - [6] I like them. Go figure. -----------------------------------------------
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:51:00 - [7] This might be a good idea. Remove all wrecks and replace with cans. Only have wrecks apply to player ships. And massively boost salvage amounts. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.02 12:58:00 - [8] Originally by: Dark Shikari This might be a good idea. Remove all wrecks and replace with cans. Only have wrecks apply to player ships. And massively boost salvage amounts. That would have to be a truly MassiveÖ boost.
Raith Seinar	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Raith Seinar on 02/12/2006 13:03:52 As someone who only has time to run maybe a mission a night, I agree. Currently I end up with between 10 and 40 (depending on the L2 mission) wrecks around the screen. Massive FPS drop and 95% of them contain no loot. I'd be happiest with a system where the wreck stays on screen until it's looted; once you loot it, it pops as the cans did. At least then it can be salvaged then looted, or just looted and popped.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:07:00 - [10] leave wrecks in just add a tag that will show if it contains loot and all the people whining bout fps drop can either get with the times and upgrade their pos computer, or deal with it -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Gonada leave wrecks in just add a tag that will show if it contains loot and all the people whining bout fps drop can either get with the times and upgrade their pos computer, or deal with it Or leave EVE because Devs made it so that they can no longer play. Not really a heartwarming option.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Victor Valka If you make wrecks a PvP only thing (as in, they drop from player ships only) rig prices will make HAC prices look fine and dandy. I wasn't kidding when I said VASTLY lower build requirements (vastly higher salvage rates isn't such a good idea due to cargohold issues) My thoughts on the whole thing? Originally by: Victor Valka Up until now CCP's mini-professions were successful and did not mess with other aspects of gameplay. They were optional. If you wanted to do them [mini-professions] you could do it - more power (and ISK) to you. Salvaging in it's current state messes with other aspects (missions, NPCing) way too much. That much, I think, is obvious. It only brings frustration to the table. Totally agree Originally by: Victor Valka No doubt Devs have a plan I hope so Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Victor Valka If you make wrecks a PvP only thing (as in, they drop from player ships only) rig prices will make HAC prices look fine and dandy. I wasn't kidding when I said VASTLY lower build requirements (vastly higher salvage rates isn't such a good idea due to cargohold issues) My Valka's Modified Reading Comprehension module seems to be malfunctioning. I misread that. Yes. Lowering the build requirements. Well. There's a fine line between 'too common' and 'rare' and it is damn hard to walk this line. We'll see what Devs cook up.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Gonada leave wrecks in just add a tag that will show if it contains loot and all the people whining bout fps drop can either get with the times and upgrade their pos computer, or deal with it Or leave EVE because Devs made it so that they can no longer play. Not really a heartwarming option. your right, does indeed seem a tad harsh, but its true. think its bad now? just wait, sides, with todays technology zooming along its like some people wanna bring an edsel to nascar, then get upset when they cant compete. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Gonada your right, does indeed seem a tad harsh, but its true. think its bad now? just wait, sides, with todays technology zooming along its like some people wanna bring an edsel to nascar, then get upset when they cant compete. You of course have a very valid point. Thing is, I've never really notice that cans or wracks have any sort of impact on FPS.
Galifardeua Gallente Completament Tarats	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:50:00 - [16] I concur with the "How about NO" crowd. And making wrecks only appear on PvP fight wouldn't mean that carebear industrialists wouldn't find a way to make plentyful of wrecks, and riggs' materials of course. I know a way I thought with only the minute that I needed to read through this thread. Create lots of the cheapest ship that leaves wrecks ??? PROFIT!!! I leave step 2 as an excercise to the reader. Have fun. P.S. Damn relatives and their problems with computers...
Tornan Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.02 13:56:00 - [17] I like the wrecks I just would likethem to onlyshow up in my scanner and not on the main screen. But otherwise maybe dont allow wrecks for missions npc but only for asteroid rat npcs
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 16:23:00 - [18] I just ran a level4 (Pirate Slaughter), and I made 3x as much from salvage as from bounty/loot/reward. I have salvage level1 Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.02 16:42:00 - [19] I support the idea of wrecks for players only. Having them from NPCs is annoying as hell. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Phyrr Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:50:00 - [20] no to the OP
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:53:00 - [21] How about no, it makes no sence from any perspective to have NPC ships drop cans and player ships drop wrecks.
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2006.12.02 19:31:00 - [22] If I am not in error currently the situations is: NPC ships only the kind of ship that can be found in belts have salvage. When those ship are found in missions they have salvage, but all the other mission ships (even the large ones or T2 equivalent) don't have salvage PC ships Frigate give only scrap metal, bigger ships better material. T2 rigs componet only from T2 player ships. So i would say that most of your wishes have been granted, as usual in a distorted way. Enjoy.
ifeelit2 Gallente Just Cloned Again	Posted - 2006.12.02 19:39:00 - [23] don't lump everyone togther... not most ppl are complaining about wrecks just the few who post... get in game and don't let those people bother you. Just Cloned Again JCA Corp our webpage works on the in game browser
Vladimir Ilych Hidden Industrial Group	Posted - 2006.12.02 19:42:00 - [24] To the OP. As a mission runner i would not mind this. I have to search every wreck with a salvager to make it go pop. This has extended my loot gathering time by maybe 400%. I run missions because my play time is limited. I hear a fix is coming on Tuesday but cannot find the details. Can anyone point me in the direction of the notes?
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.02 19:49:00 - [25] Doesn't make sense to have some ships leave wrecks and some not... What makes PvP so uber to deserve salvaging wrecks. Heck, if that was the case, we'd have like 1% of the salvage material than we do already!
Kharo Khann Cosmology	Posted - 2006.12.02 19:56:00 - [26] Originally by: ifeelit2 don't lump everyone togther... not most ppl are complaining about wrecks just the few who post... get in game and don't let those people bother you. LOL, go ask in a mission system.... and if you know a bit about marketing then you'll probably know that one person actually complaining represents a huge number of other dissapointed players. so,.. go figure
Ta chaina	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:01:00 - [27] I like then in missions gives me something new to do so I say leave them be.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Phyrr no to the OP A cunning and well thought out argument Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Firebyrd Gallente Brotherhood in Light	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:06:00 - [29] To the OP NO NO NO, again someone who complains about people who live in empire.... jeez, loot the wrecks then shoot em if you dont want to salvage, u can destroy the wrecks,by shooting at them. CCP isnt going to change just cause certain people dont like them, and for those who complain about mission runners making billions an hour, salvaging just slowed down the missions, if someone wants to salvage. i know alot of people before the release just run the missions and left the loot behind. and they probably will just continue doing the same thing ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:09:00 - [30] salaving skills are going to become easier soon so if there are 100s of wrecks all floating about in empire belts then people will start to salvage them like flys drawn to a turd i guarentee the salvagers will come
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Firebyrd OMG TEH OP HATES MISSION RUNNDERS Don't assume that just because I don't want missions boosted repeatedly, that I don't run missions. Head over to the missions forum and you can see my whining my little arse off Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Vladimir Ilych To the OP. As a mission runner i would not mind this. I have to search every wreck with a salvager to make it go pop. This has extended my loot gathering time by maybe 400%. I run missions because my play time is limited. I hear a fix is coming on Tuesday but cannot find the details. Can anyone point me in the direction of the notes? There is no fix. The only thing planned is to have the ownership or not of wrecks on by default (you can actually manually activate that now). That will NOT show if a wreck has loot or not it will only show if it has been looted or not, so looting would still require having all the wrecks searched. All I do in game is run missions and I agree with the OP. Get the wrecks out of the missions. Maybe they can be profitable, but the bore factor and the time waaste factor are quadrupled. Especially since either due to a bug or by design, entire missions have nothing to salvage. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Demangel Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:17:00 - [33] Wrecks are a cool idea and all, but IMHO asside from the posibility of a few new gadgets, which seem to be hard to come by, they have only increased the amount of boring tasks in EVE. It really is annoying to have to loot wrecks, only to find they contain nothing of value, and then I have to devise a way to make sure I don't confuse a wreck I checked for one I havn't. Only way I have found to do this, is the blow em up (as I havn't even tried to salvage yet). This means I end up using more ammo, which mean I spend more ISK per kill, and more time for looting, and more hassle, more clicks. Basically, everything a new game feature shouldn't do to a player, Wrecks do. It could be easily solved just making it so wrecks indicate that they have loot. OR if ships dropped both cans and Wrecks. As far as the wrecks go visually, I find them to be pointless, you can barely see them for one thing (I was hoping for at least a ship/structure sized debris cloud or something interesting. Not some simple flotsam thats so small you can barely see it. Overal Wrecks are the worst implemented feature EVE has ever seen, because it effects everyone negatively. But they could be fixed just by having it so wrecks with loot have a different color than ones without. or half the other good suggestions on this thread. Again, wrecks only add more hassle to the game, any feature that adds so much hassel, should also add a great deal of benefit... But this adds only the hassel, and very little benefit. Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
DeckardIRL Gallente Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:21:00 - [34] Originally by: Verus Potestas Does anyone really like them there? Wrecks should always have been a PvP only feature To the OP this is the worst and most ridiculous whinge I have seen on the forums since Kali... lolol Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:22:00 - [35] Originally by: DeckardIRL Originally by: Verus Potestas Does anyone really like them there? Wrecks should always have been a PvP only feature To the OP this is the worst and most ridiculous whinge I have seen on the forums since Kali... lolol Deck Another well thought out and exquisitely expressed argument. I clearly cannot compete on this level of debate. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:24:00 - [36] I agree with everything you said except this: Originally by: Demangel As far as the wrecks go visually, I find them to be pointless, you can barely see them for one thing (I was hoping for at least a ship/structure sized debris cloud or something interesting. Not some simple flotsam thats so small you can barely see it. The last thing we need is bumping all over wrecks and have to manually navigate around them when we try to loot, on top of all the other hassles Wrecks have introduced. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Demangel Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:33:00 - [37] Well I don't really care so much about how they look, more importantly I never suggested they block your path... I was just saying that you would think that at least they would provide a little eye candy, especialy if they are going to be a nuisance. But nope... Not even that... Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Dupac Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:46:00 - [38] How about waiting until after tuesdays patch for a start secondly - dry your eyes about wrecks - don't like them? shoot them. Mission runners and ratters don't want to use rigs either I suppose?
Nicholas Barker Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:52:00 - [39] fit a god damn cargo scanner and stop whining ffs. ------------------------------------- AM IN UR SYSTEMZ, TROLLIN' YA BELTZ!
Gorstag	Posted - 2006.12.03 06:28:00 - [40] Edited by: Gorstag on 03/12/2006 06:29:12 Originally by: Victor Valka a) as per (b) and (c) and current drop rate it is hardly a profit b) true c) true However. If you make wrecks a PvP only thing (as in, they drop from player ships only) rig prices will make HAC prices look fine and dandy. My thoughts on the whole thing? Up until now CCP's mini-professions were successful and did not mess with other aspects of gameplay. They were optional. If you wanted to do them [mini-professions] you could do it - more power (and ISK) to you. Salvaging in it's current state messes with other aspects (missions, NPCing) way too much. That much, I think, is obvious. It only brings frustration to the table. No doubt Devs have a plan. We'll see how it works out. My suggestion? Have wracks and cans both. Loot drops in cans, wracks are salvageable. Everyone's happy. Vultures salvage wracks, looters loot cans, someone does both. No, this does not generate more lag (certainly not more then the current situation) and most likely won't touch your FPS. Everyone's happy. Originally by: Victor Valka a) as per (b) and (c) and current drop rate it is hardly a profit b) true c) true However. If you make wrecks a PvP only thing (as in, they drop from player ships only) rig prices will make HAC prices look fine and dandy. My thoughts on the whole thing? Up until now CCP's mini-professions were successful and did not mess with other aspects of gameplay. They were optional. If you wanted to do them [mini-professions] you could do it - more power (and ISK) to you. Salvaging in it's current state messes with other aspects (missions, NPCing) way too much. That much, I think, is obvious. It only brings frustration to the table. No doubt Devs have a plan. We'll see how it works out. My suggestion? Have wracks and cans both. Loot drops in cans, wracks are salvageable. Everyone's happy. Vultures salvage wracks, looters loot cans, someone does both. No, this does not generate more lag (certainly not more then the current situation) and most likely won't touch your FPS. Everyone's happy. Your idea is perfect. I would re-activate my accounts if they implemented this. The current state of wrecks is just a mind numbing headache and is not worth it to pay for a **** implementation. Oh yes I can blow up the wrecks when I find they are "empty". I would rather not even have to look. Cans were much more efficent and even if it was trash loot at least the can signified loot. Wreck signify having to check them out wasting tons of time and most of them are empty. Don't get me wrong the "mini-profession" is a great idea it is has just made this game no longer enjoyable for me. Yeah sure you players that have been on 3+ years that don't have to grind missions any more don't have to deal with it but a large majority of us newer players do.

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