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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2015.07.24 19:09:14 -
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Ishukone-Raata Public Announcement: "Lai Dai Convoy Ambush" >> The Citadel >> Ieyama Constellation | Ishomilken Solar System >> I-RED Mobile Headquarters
This public announcement is following news of the recent attack on a Lai Dai convoy.
The Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive would like to express our condolences to the Lai Dai Corporation, and to the families of all the convoy personnel who were brutally murdered in the unprovoked attack. We would like to reaffirm our stance against piracy - it is not an ideal career choice, and we actively seek to put an end to it wherever our fleets patrol.
It is troubling that such a large convoy was traveling without a heavier escort. It is even more troubling that unidentified attackers were able to launch such a seemingly well-prepared ambush. Should Lai Dai or any other megacorporation require additional security forces for convoys, I-RED would be more than willing to provide our security service contracts at reduced, or even free in some cases, prices.
I-RED condemns this heinous crime, and should Lai Dai Protection Service require any assistance in their investigation into the attack, we remain be more than willing to assist. It is through troubling events such as this that the individual corporations of the State should stand united, as one.
For the State.
Gÿ+ Ch+½j+ì Korsavius
Gÿ+ (RDC) Intelligence Director
Gÿ+ [I-RED] Vice-Executor
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1351
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Posted - 2015.07.24 19:34:25 -
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This report is of the typically terribad reporting I have come to expect from a Gallente news agency. While I do not dispute the facts; a convoy belonging to Lai Dai was abushed and destroyed in Jarzalad on the Pimsu gate en route from Inoue to Jarshitsan, the facts reported in the article have a number of glaringly obvious mistakes and inconsistencies.
First the most direct route from Inoue to Jarshitsan does not include Pimsu. Why would the convoy be attempting to jump into Pimsu from Jarzalan? This direction is not only not on the most direct route, but in fact leads directly away from the destination of Jarshitsan, a mere 2 jumps away! Where you going, m8? The fact that the convoy was attempting to jump into Pimsu for any reason is extremely suspicious.
This also leads me to wonder why the convoy was going in the direction of Elmed, the system in which the attacking force was last seen. I'm starting to wonder about the purpose of that convoy and why it was going in that direction. This should be investigated.
Second, the report indicated that the attackers were last seen heading into Caldari losec of Elmed. Elmed is neither Caldari space nor losec. It is in fact a regional border system into Tash-Murkon hisec from Kador hisec.
Third, from watching the recovered video, I can see the attacking force consisted of 10 Scorpion-class and 1 Raven class battleships. There was also a Moa-class cruiser and 2 Condor class frigates shown besides the Basilisk which was destroyed. From the context and timing of the video, I'm fairly certain the frigates were part of the convoy. I cannot make a guess as to the alignment of the cruiser.
Every single one of the battleships was using the weapons typical to the ship frames, in this case missiles. However, an associate of mine pointed out that the Guristas Rattlesnake can use missiles quite effectively, despite its predisposition towards heavy and sentry drones.
tbh, I'm of a mind that there may have been some sort of dispute internal to Lai Dai, and corporate security was dispatched to take care of it. Industrial espionage? Defection? Who knows. I have a feeling that once the wreckage has been analyzed we will know more about what the true purpose of that convoy was.
Edit: I would also like to point out that a convoy carrying military hardware beneficial to the Amarr Empire was brazenly attacked and destroyed well within high security space. It is troubling that such an ambush was able to be carried out right under the Amarr Navy's nose only 5 jumps from the Throne Worlds with absolutely no response from local authority. Very troubling.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
201
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Posted - 2015.07.24 19:43:21 -
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Hmm, skeptical. I like your analysis, Soldarius. If these people died because of some internal conflict between some... managers up in the corporate ladder...
Heads will roll.
This is a damn shame. Freighters destroyed in the middle of what is supposed to be a secured system. My condolences.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2015.07.24 20:19:18 -
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A brief check with navigational systems indicates that the addition of Pimsu adds only one jump to the route - but as Soldarius has stated, it would seem either the convoy turned around, or there is an error in the report. Perhaps the convoy had just jumped into Jarzalad (there is no 'Jarzalan', regardless of the report's claim), or the copy is simply wrong as to which side of the stargate they were on.
Either way, the routing is... highly curious. I suspect you're not far off with your suspicions of foul play. |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2307
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Posted - 2015.07.24 23:03:58 -
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Arrendis wrote:A brief check with navigational systems indicates that the addition of Pimsu adds only one jump to the route - but as Soldarius has stated, it would seem either the convoy turned around, or there is an error in the report. Perhaps the convoy had just jumped into Jarzalad (there is no 'Jarzalan', regardless of the report's claim), or the copy is simply wrong as to which side of the stargate they were on.
Either way, the routing is... highly curious. I suspect you're not far off with your suspicions of foul play. Alternatively they were taking a sensible precaution of not taking a direct route with several sideways hops in order to avoid certain known trouble spots relative to them. Such as another convoy they would have had to cross paths with if they hadn't taken the detour. It's not that suspicious for them to have taken a non least time route, as it makes them less predictable, but it means whoever attacked them had extremely detailed intelligence on the convoy, rather than just knowing departure time and destination, but the exact route planned also. |

Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7351
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Posted - 2015.07.24 23:24:41 -
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It is well known that the Guristas have a well-developed intelligence network inside the State. Given this, and the Scope's apparent inability to identify who could possibly be fighting DED in Venal, I think it's safe to say that this is likely another Guristas attack that the Scope's simply giving a theatrical presentation to.
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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
316
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Posted - 2015.07.24 23:43:43 -
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I offer my deepest condolences to the people of the Lai Dai Corporation and their families.
I pray the perpetrators of the heinous act are brought swiftly to Justice.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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DutchGunner
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
123
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Posted - 2015.07.25 00:03:19 -
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I am still shocked of what has happened and how many lives have been lost. Especially the loss the senior personal will be a hard blow to the company. While the loss of materials is regrettable, it are just materials. The loss of lives and knowledge en skill however is hard to recover from.
Looking at the released images I initially spotted 9 scorpion hulls and one Raven hull. Later video feeds show 10 scorpion hulls and no raven hull. This means that the ships used in the attack can be:
Scorpions Widows Scorpion Navy Issue Rattlesnakes Raven Golem Raven Navy Issue
I also believe a single command can be picked up before they attack, followed by short commands during the attack. There was no sign of any stress or anxiety by whoever was giving the commands. This strongly suggest that this was a well prepared strike.
That the attack took several minutes and seemingly not triggering the aggressive response from local Navy and CONCORD forces worries me deeply as the attack took place in High-security class space. That they even managed to escape is even more troublesome. Perhaps false ship ID's were used to delay any response. Something went definitely and seriously wrong to have this outcome.
DutchGunner CONCORD Loyalist
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2308
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Posted - 2015.07.25 01:51:55 -
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Concords mandate only permits it to respond to Capsuleer on Capsuleer violence, and certain structures such as Stargates sometimes fall under their mandate also. But given the convoy appears to have been non capsuleer otherwise the pilots would have been able to make a vastly more detailed report, this has nothing to do with Concord. Local Navy not being able to respond to the distress call simply indicates some kind of bait and switch pulled on them, easy to do with the level of intelligence the attackers seemed to have. Get them warping in one direction, launch the attack in the other.
Assuming the footage is real and not simply dramatised footage, it's interesting that the attackers were using missile boats though, as I didn't think Gurista's had any particular opposition to the Amarr. Nor the Mordus. Perhaps the use of missile boats is a red herring to direct people to look in the wrong place. |

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
583
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Posted - 2015.07.25 02:02:18 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:It is well known that the Guristas have a well-developed intelligence network inside the State. Given this, and the Scope's apparent inability to identify who could possibly be fighting DED in Venal, I think it's safe to say that this is likely another Guristas attack that the Scope's simply giving a theatrical presentation to.
And this is why the DED must be destroyed.
No, Guristas. I meant Guristas.
Honest.
Either works, really.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5448
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Posted - 2015.07.25 03:00:22 -
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Just my two cents here: given the ships and firepower present on the field it would be fairly easy to render footage of the attack completely unrecoverable. If it persisted in a state that was both retrievable and appropriate to be issued to the press, it's fairly likely the either the attackers weren't terribly concerned about the possibility of being identified or they didn't have time to conduct a thorough sweep of the wreckage.
A question I'd be interested in the answer to would be the state of the Guardian components the convoy was transporting - were they stolen, or simply destroyed? Either option would have serious implications as to the intentions of the fleet, and would possibly aid in their identification.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
150
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Posted - 2015.07.25 05:56:45 -
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Another example of CONCORD's inability to do its job.
Condolences to those involved.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
557
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Posted - 2015.07.25 06:34:05 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Alternatively they were taking a sensible precaution of not taking a direct route with several sideways hops in order to avoid certain known trouble spots relative to them. Such as another convoy they would have had to cross paths with if they hadn't taken the detour. It's not that suspicious for them to have taken a non least time route, as it makes them less predictable, but it means whoever attacked them had extremely detailed intelligence on the convoy, rather than just knowing departure time and destination, but the exact route planned also.
That's just it, I've plotted out a number of alternate route scenarios using our GARPA Topographical Survey tool (GTS) - the routes that avoid known trouble spots - like Niarja, and all of the low-sec systems needed to loop around Niarja - still bring you into Jarzalad through Nafomeh - and more importantly:
Pimsu -> Jarzalad -> Matyas -> Jarshitsan
The convoy was on the gate in Jarzalad, waiting to jump into Pimsu.
Going the wrong way. |

Trii Seo
Executive Outcomes
803
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Posted - 2015.07.25 07:49:17 -
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That was a lovely strike. I'd love to meet whomever pulled it off - sounds like we have an ally in all of this after all.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Proud pilot of the Imperium
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DutchGunner
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
123
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Posted - 2015.07.25 09:17:58 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Concords mandate only permits it to respond to Capsuleer on Capsuleer violence, and certain structures such as Stargates sometimes fall under their mandate also. But given the convoy appears to have been non capsuleer otherwise the pilots would have been able to make a vastly more detailed report, this has nothing to do with Concord. Local Navy not being able to respond to the distress call simply indicates some kind of bait and switch pulled on them, easy to do with the level of intelligence the attackers seemed to have. Get them warping in one direction, launch the attack in the other..
Thank you for the information. There are so many cases where one could get confused on the jurisdiction and it is something I am still trying to figure out.
Either way, it is a big reason for concern.
DutchGunner CONCORD Loyalist
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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
23
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Posted - 2015.07.25 09:34:23 -
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I would not focus on identifying the attackers based on types of vessels they where using as those could have easily been purchased by anyone on the market. Also, as none of those where destroyed, we are unable to use their IDs to trace any transactions hence the potential buyers.
The first and most obvious choice of the source would be the Guristas. The level of intel about the convoy and the swiftness of the attack would point in their direction but two things do not fit. First it is highly doubtful there would have been any evidence left (not to mention a video recording of this incident) directly pointing to them and second this attack seemed not to be directed at retrieving any kind of resources, neither people nor equipment, which would be the Guristas' primary target.
At this point it seems the primary goal of the attackers was disrupting the convoy at any means necessary.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
144
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Posted - 2015.07.25 10:22:53 -
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Senior Engineers were also killed in the incident of the Cathrum Conglomerate.
Imperial Dreams condemns these attacks against our Caldari Allies, especially Lai Dai who has coorperated with Carthum Conglomerate on a number of technology advancements which have benefited the Empire.
An Amarr Conclave envoy shall be dispatched to Elmed.
His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams.
Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
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Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
73
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Posted - 2015.07.25 11:28:03 -
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Fellow Capsuleers,
I fully share the expressed concerns and sorrow about this troubling attack. I flew to the assumed ambush site yesterday, 117-7-24 // ~2300 EVE, and searched the closer vicinity. I could identify the two perspectives shown in the SCOPE video footage and thus confirm the mentioned locations: 1) the ambush site in Jarzalad is close to the Pimsu gate, with the dominant celestial and dust ring in the background; 2) the 'last known route of the attackers' shows a warp off from the Elmed gate in Pimsu, heading towards the sun or propably the Jarzalad gate. Thus, from what was already said above I think the video footage and audio comment does not completely match. Though, if listened closely, the newscaster did not necessarily imply that Elmed leads to low security space. He just said the attackers were seen there, heading toward low security space. Wether the shown footage is the last information about the attackers at all or just the last video footage is not so clear to me.
Besides that, there was no sign of major debris or unusual ship or structure presence in Jarzalad, Pimsu, or Elmed. One wormhole system next to Jarzalad (J170940) and two wormhole systems next to Elmed (J151102, J110425) showed no presence of any attackers related to the Lai Dai ambush as well. I used combat scanner probes and D-Scan for this purpose.
My fellow pilot Suzuha Yamada propably checked the closest route to low security space via Riramia. She might share her findings. But all in all, my impression is: what ever happened there, we missed it.
Sincerely,
Haria Haritimado Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Character blog: Horizons and Reflections
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James Syagrius
Reclamation Technologies
1073
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Posted - 2015.07.25 14:14:26 -
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Any disruption in legitimate trade is regrettable.
My condolences to the families of those lost.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1356
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Posted - 2015.07.25 15:48:09 -
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There are a couple valid points others have made here that should be reinforced, as well as another option I had not previously mentioned.
The ships used to mount the attack could indeed have been procured and used by anyone. I mentioned the racial type merely to give us a starting point.
It is true that the routing of the convoy could have been intentionally vague or long to avoid systems like Niarja, where suicide gankers are known to proliferate. But going into Pimsu is literally a step in the wrong direction. Also, going this way would not allow the convoy to avoid the 1 gate through which they must traverse: their destination gate.
Next, I'd like to suggest that the entire incident could also have been one mega-corp mounting an attack upon another. In this case, we then need to ask who are Lai Dai's competitors, or who would stand to benefit from the loss of the convoy?
Or could the incident have been simply made to look like the above, and is actually some sort of public display mean to sow disinformation?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Anyanka Funk
Jacklight Corporation
151
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Posted - 2015.07.25 16:09:44 -
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Why should anyone even care about this? |

Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1364
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Posted - 2015.07.26 04:53:03 -
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Anyanka Funk wrote:Why should anyone even care about this? Some of us are still burdened by those pesky "morals" that seem to inhabit our baseline brethren........ A curse, I know. 
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
223
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Posted - 2015.07.26 04:55:30 -
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We are? I mean... we are. |

Shun Makoto
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.26 05:12:28 -
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The Caldari Independent Navy Reserve would also like to extend it's deepest condolences to the Lai Dai Corporation for it's losses. We stand with the Chief Executive Panel on their condemnation of this attack.
Caldari Independant Navy Reserve - Junior Diplomat
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Kaalakiota Corporation
Patriot Faction
My Personal Log
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Ichinumi Tsukaya
State Protectorate Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2015.07.26 15:02:45 -
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The Caldari people only stand to suffer from cooperating with or aiding the Empire as it feverishly rushes into Yomi by preparing confrontation with the Funay+½rei at this time, which is much too soon.
As sad as it is that innocent workers who have left us, the attackers have done the State a service. Lai Dai must be aware of the Empire's chosen path. Lai Dai now needs to avoid assisting the Empire as it walks down the road of self-inflicted devastation, if for no other reason than to protect its employees.
I only hope such a great Caldari corporation heeds this warning and ceases cooperation with the Amarr. There is nothing the State and its people are limited to achieving, without the others. |

Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
328
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Posted - 2015.07.26 15:17:47 -
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Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote:The Caldari people only stand to suffer from cooperating with or aiding the Empire as it feverishly rushes into Yomi by preparing confrontation with the Funay+½rei at this time, which is much too soon.
As sad as it is that innocent workers who have left us, the attackers have done the State a service. Lai Dai must be aware of the Empire's chosen path. Lai Dai now needs to avoid assisting the Empire as it swiftly traverses the road of self-inflicted devastation, if for no other reason than to protect its employees.
I only hope such a great Caldari corporation heeds this warning and ceases cooperation with the Amarr. There is nothing the State and its people are limited to achieving, without the others.
I do not see that the Caldari will suffer at all for their relationship with the Empire. I think we should also avoid using this tragedy as an excuse for another pointless, political debate.
Please remember that no Corporation exists in a vacuum. Corporations and the State need allies outside of political borders. I am happy to represent a people who cherish their friendship with the State and mourn the loss of these individuals with you.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2231
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Posted - 2015.07.26 15:51:51 -
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We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic are grieved by the loss of our friends and workmates in this attack.
To our kirjuunen: what we have all said in private need not be said here.
To our friends and allies of the Carthum Conglomerate and Empire: We deeply regret our failure to deliver the bonded goods and services as per our agreements. Our foreign sales department will be in contact with you shortly.
To our other well-wishers and friends: We thank you for your sympathy and support, and would like to ensure you that no interruptions in our medical or research services will result from this loss.
I would also like to celebrate the lives of our three kirjuunen lost in this tragedy:
Erijk Kitanno, EME Technician Sanemas Rowara, EME Technician Jitrich Kirlin, Customer Service Representative
May gentle winds guide them to the halls of their ancestors.
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Quattras Peione
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
108
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Posted - 2015.07.26 21:02:33 -
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I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space?
The name of that particle physicist keeps nagging at me. I'm sure I've heard the name Seena Feydd somewhere, but GalNet searches have shown nothing.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2015.07.26 22:03:08 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:We are? I mean... we are. Morals*
*tm
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6840
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Posted - 2015.07.26 23:37:01 -
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An unidentified Caldari fleet....
only two words come to mind.
Tiberious Heth.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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