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Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 260	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:09:14 - [1] - Quote Ishukone-Raata Public Announcement: "Lai Dai Convoy Ambush" >> The Citadel >> Ieyama Constellation \| Ishomilken Solar System >> I-RED Mobile Headquarters This public announcement is following news of the recent attack on a Lai Dai convoy. The Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive would like to express our condolences to the Lai Dai Corporation, and to the families of all the convoy personnel who were brutally murdered in the unprovoked attack. We would like to reaffirm our stance against piracy - it is not an ideal career choice, and we actively seek to put an end to it wherever our fleets patrol. It is troubling that such a large convoy was traveling without a heavier escort. It is even more troubling that unidentified attackers were able to launch such a seemingly well-prepared ambush. Should Lai Dai or any other megacorporation require additional security forces for convoys, I-RED would be more than willing to provide our security service contracts at reduced, or even free in some cases, prices. I-RED condemns this heinous crime, and should Lai Dai Protection Service require any assistance in their investigation into the attack, we remain be more than willing to assist. It is through troubling events such as this that the individual corporations of the State should stand united, as one. For the State. Gÿ+ Ch+½j+ì Korsavius Gÿ+ (RDC) Intelligence Director Gÿ+ [I-RED] Vice-Executor
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1351	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:34:25 - [2] - Quote This report is of the typically terribad reporting I have come to expect from a Gallente news agency. While I do not dispute the facts; a convoy belonging to Lai Dai was abushed and destroyed in Jarzalad on the Pimsu gate en route from Inoue to Jarshitsan, the facts reported in the article have a number of glaringly obvious mistakes and inconsistencies. First the most direct route from Inoue to Jarshitsan does not include Pimsu. Why would the convoy be attempting to jump into Pimsu from Jarzalan? This direction is not only not on the most direct route, but in fact leads directly away from the destination of Jarshitsan, a mere 2 jumps away! Where you going, m8? The fact that the convoy was attempting to jump into Pimsu for any reason is extremely suspicious. This also leads me to wonder why the convoy was going in the direction of Elmed, the system in which the attacking force was last seen. I'm starting to wonder about the purpose of that convoy and why it was going in that direction. This should be investigated. Second, the report indicated that the attackers were last seen heading into Caldari losec of Elmed. Elmed is neither Caldari space nor losec. It is in fact a regional border system into Tash-Murkon hisec from Kador hisec. Third, from watching the recovered video, I can see the attacking force consisted of 10 Scorpion-class and 1 Raven class battleships. There was also a Moa-class cruiser and 2 Condor class frigates shown besides the Basilisk which was destroyed. From the context and timing of the video, I'm fairly certain the frigates were part of the convoy. I cannot make a guess as to the alignment of the cruiser. Every single one of the battleships was using the weapons typical to the ship frames, in this case missiles. However, an associate of mine pointed out that the Guristas Rattlesnake can use missiles quite effectively, despite its predisposition towards heavy and sentry drones. tbh, I'm of a mind that there may have been some sort of dispute internal to Lai Dai, and corporate security was dispatched to take care of it. Industrial espionage? Defection? Who knows. I have a feeling that once the wreckage has been analyzed we will know more about what the true purpose of that convoy was. Edit: I would also like to point out that a convoy carrying military hardware beneficial to the Amarr Empire was brazenly attacked and destroyed well within high security space. It is troubling that such an ambush was able to be carried out right under the Amarr Navy's nose only 5 jumps from the Throne Worlds with absolutely no response from local authority. Very troubling. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 201	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:43:21 - [3] - Quote Hmm, skeptical. I like your analysis, Soldarius. If these people died because of some internal conflict between some... managers up in the corporate ladder... Heads will roll. This is a damn shame. Freighters destroyed in the middle of what is supposed to be a secured system. My condolences. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 556	Posted - 2015.07.24 20:19:18 - [4] - Quote A brief check with navigational systems indicates that the addition of Pimsu adds only one jump to the route - but as Soldarius has stated, it would seem either the convoy turned around, or there is an error in the report. Perhaps the convoy had just jumped into Jarzalad (there is no 'Jarzalan', regardless of the report's claim), or the copy is simply wrong as to which side of the stargate they were on. Either way, the routing is... highly curious. I suspect you're not far off with your suspicions of foul play.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2307	Posted - 2015.07.24 23:03:58 - [5] - Quote Arrendis wrote: A brief check with navigational systems indicates that the addition of Pimsu adds only one jump to the route - but as Soldarius has stated, it would seem either the convoy turned around, or there is an error in the report. Perhaps the convoy had just jumped into Jarzalad (there is no 'Jarzalan', regardless of the report's claim), or the copy is simply wrong as to which side of the stargate they were on. Either way, the routing is... highly curious. I suspect you're not far off with your suspicions of foul play. Alternatively they were taking a sensible precaution of not taking a direct route with several sideways hops in order to avoid certain known trouble spots relative to them. Such as another convoy they would have had to cross paths with if they hadn't taken the detour. It's not that suspicious for them to have taken a non least time route, as it makes them less predictable, but it means whoever attacked them had extremely detailed intelligence on the convoy, rather than just knowing departure time and destination, but the exact route planned also.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7351	Posted - 2015.07.24 23:24:41 - [6] - Quote It is well known that the Guristas have a well-developed intelligence network inside the State. Given this, and the Scope's apparent inability to identify who could possibly be fighting DED in Venal, I think it's safe to say that this is likely another Guristas attack that the Scope's simply giving a theatrical presentation to. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Sinjin Mokk Ministry of War Amarr Empire 316	Posted - 2015.07.24 23:43:43 - [7] - Quote I offer my deepest condolences to the people of the Lai Dai Corporation and their families. I pray the perpetrators of the heinous act are brought swiftly to Justice. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
DutchGunner Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition 123	Posted - 2015.07.25 00:03:19 - [8] - Quote I am still shocked of what has happened and how many lives have been lost. Especially the loss the senior personal will be a hard blow to the company. While the loss of materials is regrettable, it are just materials. The loss of lives and knowledge en skill however is hard to recover from. Looking at the released images I initially spotted 9 scorpion hulls and one Raven hull. Later video feeds show 10 scorpion hulls and no raven hull. This means that the ships used in the attack can be: Scorpions Widows Scorpion Navy Issue Rattlesnakes Raven Golem Raven Navy Issue I also believe a single command can be picked up before they attack, followed by short commands during the attack. There was no sign of any stress or anxiety by whoever was giving the commands. This strongly suggest that this was a well prepared strike. That the attack took several minutes and seemingly not triggering the aggressive response from local Navy and CONCORD forces worries me deeply as the attack took place in High-security class space. That they even managed to escape is even more troublesome. Perhaps false ship ID's were used to delay any response. Something went definitely and seriously wrong to have this outcome. DutchGunner CONCORD Loyalist
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2308	Posted - 2015.07.25 01:51:55 - [9] - Quote Concords mandate only permits it to respond to Capsuleer on Capsuleer violence, and certain structures such as Stargates sometimes fall under their mandate also. But given the convoy appears to have been non capsuleer otherwise the pilots would have been able to make a vastly more detailed report, this has nothing to do with Concord. Local Navy not being able to respond to the distress call simply indicates some kind of bait and switch pulled on them, easy to do with the level of intelligence the attackers seemed to have. Get them warping in one direction, launch the attack in the other. Assuming the footage is real and not simply dramatised footage, it's interesting that the attackers were using missile boats though, as I didn't think Gurista's had any particular opposition to the Amarr. Nor the Mordus. Perhaps the use of missile boats is a red herring to direct people to look in the wrong place.
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 583	Posted - 2015.07.25 02:02:18 - [10] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: It is well known that the Guristas have a well-developed intelligence network inside the State. Given this, and the Scope's apparent inability to identify who could possibly be fighting DED in Venal, I think it's safe to say that this is likely another Guristas attack that the Scope's simply giving a theatrical presentation to. And this is why the DED must be destroyed. No, Guristas. I meant Guristas. Honest. Either works, really. Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 5448	Posted - 2015.07.25 03:00:22 - [11] - Quote Just my two cents here: given the ships and firepower present on the field it would be fairly easy to render footage of the attack completely unrecoverable. If it persisted in a state that was both retrievable and appropriate to be issued to the press, it's fairly likely the either the attackers weren't terribly concerned about the possibility of being identified or they didn't have time to conduct a thorough sweep of the wreckage. A question I'd be interested in the answer to would be the state of the Guardian components the convoy was transporting - were they stolen, or simply destroyed? Either option would have serious implications as to the intentions of the fleet, and would possibly aid in their identification. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 150	Posted - 2015.07.25 05:56:45 - [12] - Quote Another example of CONCORD's inability to do its job. Condolences to those involved. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 557	Posted - 2015.07.25 06:34:05 - [13] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Alternatively they were taking a sensible precaution of not taking a direct route with several sideways hops in order to avoid certain known trouble spots relative to them. Such as another convoy they would have had to cross paths with if they hadn't taken the detour. It's not that suspicious for them to have taken a non least time route, as it makes them less predictable, but it means whoever attacked them had extremely detailed intelligence on the convoy, rather than just knowing departure time and destination, but the exact route planned also. That's just it, I've plotted out a number of alternate route scenarios using our GARPA Topographical Survey tool (GTS) - the routes that avoid known trouble spots - like Niarja, and all of the low-sec systems needed to loop around Niarja - still bring you into Jarzalad through Nafomeh - and more importantly: Pimsu -> Jarzalad -> Matyas -> Jarshitsan The convoy was on the gate in Jarzalad, waiting to jump into Pimsu. Going the wrong way.
Trii Seo Executive Outcomes 803	Posted - 2015.07.25 07:49:17 - [14] - Quote That was a lovely strike. I'd love to meet whomever pulled it off - sounds like we have an ally in all of this after all. The king is dead, long live the king! Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name! Proud pilot of the Imperium
DutchGunner Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition 123	Posted - 2015.07.25 09:17:58 - [15] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Concords mandate only permits it to respond to Capsuleer on Capsuleer violence, and certain structures such as Stargates sometimes fall under their mandate also. But given the convoy appears to have been non capsuleer otherwise the pilots would have been able to make a vastly more detailed report, this has nothing to do with Concord. Local Navy not being able to respond to the distress call simply indicates some kind of bait and switch pulled on them, easy to do with the level of intelligence the attackers seemed to have. Get them warping in one direction, launch the attack in the other.. Thank you for the information. There are so many cases where one could get confused on the jurisdiction and it is something I am still trying to figure out. Either way, it is a big reason for concern. DutchGunner CONCORD Loyalist
H1de0 Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 23	Posted - 2015.07.25 09:34:23 - [16] - Quote I would not focus on identifying the attackers based on types of vessels they where using as those could have easily been purchased by anyone on the market. Also, as none of those where destroyed, we are unable to use their IDs to trace any transactions hence the potential buyers. The first and most obvious choice of the source would be the Guristas. The level of intel about the convoy and the swiftness of the attack would point in their direction but two things do not fit. First it is highly doubtful there would have been any evidence left (not to mention a video recording of this incident) directly pointing to them and second this attack seemed not to be directed at retrieving any kind of resources, neither people nor equipment, which would be the Guristas' primary target. At this point it seems the primary goal of the attackers was disrupting the convoy at any means necessary. Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
Kahar Dex Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 144	Posted - 2015.07.25 10:22:53 - [17] - Quote Senior Engineers were also killed in the incident of the Cathrum Conglomerate. Imperial Dreams condemns these attacks against our Caldari Allies, especially Lai Dai who has coorperated with Carthum Conglomerate on a number of technology advancements which have benefited the Empire. An Amarr Conclave envoy shall be dispatched to Elmed. His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
Haria Haritimado Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 73	Posted - 2015.07.25 11:28:03 - [18] - Quote Fellow Capsuleers, I fully share the expressed concerns and sorrow about this troubling attack. I flew to the assumed ambush site yesterday, 117-7-24 // ~2300 EVE, and searched the closer vicinity. I could identify the two perspectives shown in the SCOPE video footage and thus confirm the mentioned locations: 1) the ambush site in Jarzalad is close to the Pimsu gate, with the dominant celestial and dust ring in the background; 2) the 'last known route of the attackers' shows a warp off from the Elmed gate in Pimsu, heading towards the sun or propably the Jarzalad gate. Thus, from what was already said above I think the video footage and audio comment does not completely match. Though, if listened closely, the newscaster did not necessarily imply that Elmed leads to low security space. He just said the attackers were seen there, heading toward low security space. Wether the shown footage is the last information about the attackers at all or just the last video footage is not so clear to me. Besides that, there was no sign of major debris or unusual ship or structure presence in Jarzalad, Pimsu, or Elmed. One wormhole system next to Jarzalad (J170940) and two wormhole systems next to Elmed (J151102, J110425) showed no presence of any attackers related to the Lai Dai ambush as well. I used combat scanner probes and D-Scan for this purpose. My fellow pilot Suzuha Yamada propably checked the closest route to low security space via Riramia. She might share her findings. But all in all, my impression is: what ever happened there, we missed it. Sincerely, Haria Haritimado Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Character blog: Horizons and Reflections
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1073	Posted - 2015.07.25 14:14:26 - [19] - Quote Any disruption in legitimate trade is regrettable. My condolences to the families of those lost. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1356	Posted - 2015.07.25 15:48:09 - [20] - Quote There are a couple valid points others have made here that should be reinforced, as well as another option I had not previously mentioned. The ships used to mount the attack could indeed have been procured and used by anyone. I mentioned the racial type merely to give us a starting point. It is true that the routing of the convoy could have been intentionally vague or long to avoid systems like Niarja, where suicide gankers are known to proliferate. But going into Pimsu is literally a step in the wrong direction. Also, going this way would not allow the convoy to avoid the 1 gate through which they must traverse: their destination gate. Next, I'd like to suggest that the entire incident could also have been one mega-corp mounting an attack upon another. In this case, we then need to ask who are Lai Dai's competitors, or who would stand to benefit from the loss of the convoy? Or could the incident have been simply made to look like the above, and is actually some sort of public display mean to sow disinformation? http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Anyanka Funk Jacklight Corporation 151	Posted - 2015.07.25 16:09:44 - [21] - Quote Why should anyone even care about this?
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1364	Posted - 2015.07.26 04:53:03 - [22] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Why should anyone even care about this? Some of us are still burdened by those pesky "morals" that seem to inhabit our baseline brethren........ A curse, I know. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 223	Posted - 2015.07.26 04:55:30 - [23] - Quote We are? I mean... we are.
Shun Makoto Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Curatores Veritatis Alliance 57	Posted - 2015.07.26 05:12:28 - [24] - Quote The Caldari Independent Navy Reserve would also like to extend it's deepest condolences to the Lai Dai Corporation for it's losses. We stand with the Chief Executive Panel on their condemnation of this attack. Caldari Independant Navy Reserve - Junior Diplomat Curatores Veritatis Alliance ................................... Kaalakiota Corporation Patriot Faction My Personal Log
Ichinumi Tsukaya State Protectorate Caldari State 23	Posted - 2015.07.26 15:02:45 - [25] - Quote The Caldari people only stand to suffer from cooperating with or aiding the Empire as it feverishly rushes into Yomi by preparing confrontation with the Funay+½rei at this time, which is much too soon. As sad as it is that innocent workers who have left us, the attackers have done the State a service. Lai Dai must be aware of the Empire's chosen path. Lai Dai now needs to avoid assisting the Empire as it walks down the road of self-inflicted devastation, if for no other reason than to protect its employees. I only hope such a great Caldari corporation heeds this warning and ceases cooperation with the Amarr. There is nothing the State and its people are limited to achieving, without the others.
Sinjin Mokk Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 328	Posted - 2015.07.26 15:17:47 - [26] - Quote Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote: The Caldari people only stand to suffer from cooperating with or aiding the Empire as it feverishly rushes into Yomi by preparing confrontation with the Funay+½rei at this time, which is much too soon. As sad as it is that innocent workers who have left us, the attackers have done the State a service. Lai Dai must be aware of the Empire's chosen path. Lai Dai now needs to avoid assisting the Empire as it swiftly traverses the road of self-inflicted devastation, if for no other reason than to protect its employees. I only hope such a great Caldari corporation heeds this warning and ceases cooperation with the Amarr. There is nothing the State and its people are limited to achieving, without the others. I do not see that the Caldari will suffer at all for their relationship with the Empire. I think we should also avoid using this tragedy as an excuse for another pointless, political debate. Please remember that no Corporation exists in a vacuum. Corporations and the State need allies outside of political borders. I am happy to represent a people who cherish their friendship with the State and mourn the loss of these individuals with you. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Scherezad Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2231	Posted - 2015.07.26 15:51:51 - [27] - Quote We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic are grieved by the loss of our friends and workmates in this attack. To our kirjuunen: what we have all said in private need not be said here. To our friends and allies of the Carthum Conglomerate and Empire: We deeply regret our failure to deliver the bonded goods and services as per our agreements. Our foreign sales department will be in contact with you shortly. To our other well-wishers and friends: We thank you for your sympathy and support, and would like to ensure you that no interruptions in our medical or research services will result from this loss. I would also like to celebrate the lives of our three kirjuunen lost in this tragedy: Erijk Kitanno, EME Technician Sanemas Rowara, EME Technician Jitrich Kirlin, Customer Service Representative May gentle winds guide them to the halls of their ancestors. - Scherezad, Research Associate, LDRBC
Quattras Peione SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 108	Posted - 2015.07.26 21:02:33 - [28] - Quote I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space? The name of that particle physicist keeps nagging at me. I'm sure I've heard the name Seena Feydd somewhere, but GalNet searches have shown nothing. Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1369	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:03:08 - [29] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: We are? I mean... we are. Morals* *tm A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6840	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:37:01 - [30] - Quote An unidentified Caldari fleet.... only two words come to mind. Tiberious Heth. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1370	Posted - 2015.07.27 00:02:44 - [31] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: An unidentified Caldari fleet.... only two words come to mind. Tiberious Heth. Because we don't have enough F**king issues to worry about.... A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 606	Posted - 2015.07.27 00:54:47 - [32] - Quote Quattras Peione wrote: I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space? Here, let me give you a tin-foil hat... no no, go ahead, put it on. You'll want it. The key may be in the ship they were traveling in. It's been identified as a Basilisk-class Logistics Cruiser, but let me ask you: when does a Basilisk operate alone? It doesn't. Neither do the majority of Osprey configurations in service anywhere, other than the specialized Navy variant. And why do you bring a test pilot for a shipment of parts for very well-understood and well-developed Logistics Cruisers? So, if you want a conspiracy theory... ask yourself this: Is there some variant of the Osprey hull that does something that no variant of the Augoror hull does right now? Give you a hint: Starts with an 'E'. Ends with a 'tana'. And who was behind its development? Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: only two words come to mind. Ding. Tibus Heth. Sure, that may all be wild speculation and blank conjecture - cuz it is - but let it roll around the tinfoil for a while, see if it doesn't fit at least as well as 'Guristas travel deep into Amarr space to hit a Guardian Parts Convoy without even a thought of making off with the parts shipment'.
Orob Ninebands True Prophets of Bob Prouentibus Bob 35	Posted - 2015.07.27 04:52:52 - [33] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Just my two cents here: given the ships and firepower present on the field it would be fairly easy to render footage of the attack completely unrecoverable. If it persisted in a state that was both retrievable and appropriate to be issued to the press, it's fairly likely the either the attackers weren't terribly concerned about the possibility of being identified or they didn't have time to conduct a thorough sweep of the wreckage. A question I'd be interested in the answer to would be the state of the Guardian components the convoy was transporting - were they stolen, or simply destroyed? Either option would have serious implications as to the intentions of the fleet, and would possibly aid in their identification. There is no reason to assume that the footage would have to be stored on some medium in one of the ships. Thousands upon thousands of years ago, before New Eden, mankind possessed such technology... It isn't a new concept by a long shot.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 618	Posted - 2015.07.27 14:23:03 - [34] - Quote Oh, and Dr. Scherezad, I realize the Caldari Navy likely have their own personnel available to Lai Dai (as they've already demonstrated). That said, do feel free to let your corporate bigwigs know that if they want one of the most experienced Logistics pilots in the cluster to give their new toy a shakedown - without, of course, confirming or denying the existence of any such thing - I promise I won't steal it, damage it, or arrange for my alliance to do either. Heck, if Lai Dai and Carthum really want its capabilities and performance tested, without any risk to their peronnel, and are willing to provide two of the completed hulls, I can even promise a full and thorough record and report of the ship's performance under actual combat conditions, and after a pre-determined period of time, the return of any hulls that survive the testing process. It will be far more thorough than the State or Empire are likely to subject it to. Not that it exists, of course.
Scherezad Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2245	Posted - 2015.07.27 15:12:24 - [35] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Oh, and Dr. Scherezad, I realize the Caldari Navy likely have their own personnel available to Lai Dai (as they've already demonstrated). That said, do feel free to let your corporate bigwigs know that if they want one of the most experienced Logistics pilots in the cluster to give their new toy a shakedown - without, of course, confirming or denying the existence of any such thing - I promise I won't steal it, damage it, or arrange for my alliance to do either. Heck, if Lai Dai and Carthum really want its capabilities and performance tested, without any risk to their peronnel, and are willing to provide two of the completed hulls, I can even promise a full and thorough record and report of the ship's performance under actual combat conditions, and after a pre-determined period of time, the return of any hulls that survive the testing process. It will be far more thorough than the State or Empire are likely to subject it to. Not that it exists, of course. Thank you! We have excellent lowsec and nullsec testing facilities at our disposal - I'm not employed anywhere near that sort of thing, mind you, but we do have these facilities. We also have some excellent test pilots within our own organization. LDPS has some top-tier pilots. We prefer to do these sorts of things internally, it reduces the chances of corporate espionage. But we appreciate your offer.
Ichinumi Tsukaya State Protectorate Caldari State 25	Posted - 2015.07.27 15:14:21 - [36] - Quote Mr Mokk, I wish I could return the kind sentiment. Jamyl Sarum may be the most powerful head of the Empire in many centuries, yet is losing control where it matters most. No rational thought can suggest a known, present force in the cluster can directly face the Funay+½rei, or popularly, the 'Drifters', at this time and displaying raw fear on the same day of this tragedy that befell Lai Dai. Sheer luck may have served the Empress well on a few occasions in the past, but I would not like to wager she is truly that lucky when a considered action would have been to detain and interrogate the captain, the vessel and the crew of that Gnosis, as opposed to flaunt her own weakness. Have you considered if the Khanid will continue to prosper by following such a leader?
Scherezad Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2247	Posted - 2015.07.27 15:36:04 - [37] - Quote Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote: I can only hope Lai Dai will consider if trade with the Amarr is worth being dragged down with Jamyl Sarum in a premature conflict against the Funay+½rei. We are bound by pledge and contract to trade with the Golden Throne. None shall break our compact, be they drifter, be they drone. Until our pledge, fulfilled, is found upon the Carthum shore, No threat shall bar our labour, be it subterfuge or war. Lai Dai makes good its promises.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 251	Posted - 2015.07.27 15:44:43 - [38] - Quote I'm sure a contract re-negotiation isn't out of the question, once profit margins start becoming a little... thin. Lai Dai and the State in general tend to keep to their word, which is a reason I respect them. They don't tend to forget escape clauses for when self-preservation becomes an issue, which is another reason I respect them. Should the Throne Worlds become less than stable, the Megacorps won't go down with them, that much is for certain. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the State found a way to profit quite heavily should that happen. They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 622	Posted - 2015.07.27 16:02:22 - [39] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour. And the little fish has a knack for catchy poetry, to boot!
Scherezad Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2250	Posted - 2015.07.27 16:22:34 - [40] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour. And the little fish has a knack for catchy poetry, to boot! A little fish can swim through many nets and passes sharks, to find what wealth it gets. I'd rather be a fish than a shark. And, Ms Del'thul - there's no harm in profit, is there? I honestly wonder whether the word means the same to us as it does to you.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 624	Posted - 2015.07.27 16:26:40 - [41] - Quote Scherezad wrote: Arrendis wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour. And the little fish has a knack for catchy poetry, to boot! A little fish can swim through many nets and passes sharks, to find what wealth it gets. I'd rather be a fish than a shark. And, Ms Del'thul - there's no harm in profit, is there? I honestly wonder whether the word means the same to us as it does to you. Ach! I'm sorry, Doc... it slipped. It really is meant affectionately, though. You're like, one of my top two favorite Lai Dai employees! I mean, you'd be a sure thing for #1, but I actually used to live out of the station that convey departed from in Inoue and there was a flight engineer name of Markus Kann who... ... scuze me, I gotta check on someone.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 254	Posted - 2015.07.27 16:31:07 - [42] - Quote Ah yes... how does it go again... Moitte? No, it does not mean the same to me or mine, but I can see the appeal in the notion.
Scherezad Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2252	Posted - 2015.07.27 17:05:22 - [43] - Quote It's okay Ms Arrendis. I'm happy to let bygones be bygones! I think that's how that saying is used, right? I've had worse nicknames than little fish, in any case. Scherezad is fine, if it's what you prefer. Ms. Del'thul, to us it means loyalty to ones' family, and winnowing the good from the bad! Being profitable isn't just about making money, far from it. It's about doing well for the people you care about. I imagine the same concepts have very different words for you and yours, but may you have many profits, all the same.
Silvox Lunae EVE University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2015.07.27 17:58:15 - [44] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Quattras Peione wrote: I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space? Here, let me give you a tin-foil hat... no no, go ahead, put it on. You'll want it. The key may be in the ship they were traveling in. It's been identified as a Basilisk-class Logistics Cruiser, but let me ask you: when does a Basilisk operate alone? It doesn't. Neither do the majority of Osprey configurations in service anywhere, other than the specialized Navy variant. And why do you bring a test pilot for a shipment of parts for very well-understood and well-developed Logistics Cruisers? So, if you want a conspiracy theory... ask yourself this: Is there some variant of the Osprey hull that does something that no variant of the Augoror hull does right now? Give you a hint: Starts with an 'E'. Ends with a 'tana'. And who was behind its development? Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: only two words come to mind. Ding. Tibus Heth. Sure, that may all be wild speculation and blank conjecture - cuz it is - but let it roll around the tinfoil for a while, see if it doesn't fit at least as well as 'Guristas travel deep into Amarr space to hit a Guardian Parts Convoy without even a thought of making off with the parts shipment'. For the sake of the State and all those involved, I hope these allegations will be proven false.
Feu dAstres Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum 62	Posted - 2015.07.27 18:07:33 - [45] - Quote Is it past time to continue the Heth Hunt?
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 256	Posted - 2015.07.27 19:24:32 - [46] - Quote Scherezad wrote: Ms. Del'thul, to us it means loyalty to ones' family, and winnowing the good from the bad! Being profitable isn't just about making money, far from it. It's about doing well for the people you care about. I imagine the same concepts have very different words for you and yours, but may you have many profits, all the same. As I said elsewhere, there is very little that separates us as people. Most clans and tribes have their own details, their own words and definitions for it, my own clan using the word kvod. It doesn't translate well but carry similar meaning to your profit while also attaching duty and obligation. I suspect we understand each other well. It is merely a pity that circumstances have put our interests at odds with each others allies. Currently, I find myself rather busy with the warzone and the administration of Deck23, but as time doesn't seem to be as much of a diminishing resource as before the pod I suspect I'll find myself exploring the finer details of Caldari culture and society as time permits. It'll be interesting to see if the superficial similarities hold true.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 626	Posted - 2015.07.27 20:29:50 - [47] - Quote Well, Scherezad... it's official: you're my uncontested favorite living Lai Dai employee. I think I'm gonna set aside some time for a clone jump home to ask some pointed questions of my local purveyors of no-cost military footwear. Do traffic control systems log the transponder IDs of every ship taking a gate in Amarr space these days?
Sinjin Mokk Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 353	Posted - 2015.07.27 21:00:36 - [48] - Quote Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote: Mr Mokk, I wish I could return the kind sentiment. Jamyl Sarum may be the most powerful head of the Empire in many centuries, yet is losing control where it matters most. No rational thought can suggest a known, present force in the cluster can directly face the Funay+½rei, or popularly, the 'Drifters', at this time and displaying raw fear on the same day of this tragedy that befell Lai Dai. Sheer luck may have served the Empress well on a few occasions in the past, but I would not like to wager she is going to remain so lucky, especially as a wise and considered action would have been to detain and interrogate the captain, the vessel and the crew of that Gnosis, as opposed to flaunt her own weakness. Have you considered if the Khanid will continue to prosper by supporting such a leader? I can only hope Lai Dai will consider if trade with the Amarr is worth being dragged down with Jamyl Sarum in a premature conflict against the Funay+½rei. Zenryaku, It is all a matter of perspective. As a witness to the events and taking into account that she is the Empress, I feel her actions were carefully measured. But let us not let that event overshadow the tragic events we are discussing here. Khanid prospers under the rule of God and King. I have faith in my King's wisdom for it brought us together with the State, as well as to a path where we have a place within the Empire. The Funay+½rei are worrisome on many levels. There can sometimes be a fine line between premature and pre-emptive. We will have to see what the future brings, and be adaptable to what changes to come. But I beleive if there is to be a conflict with the Funay+½rei, it will be faught by us as a species. Sousou Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Hevaima Gesakaarin Black Parable 57	Posted - 2015.07.29 14:18:40 - [49] - Quote My condolences to Lai Dai and my respect to the families of the fallen dead whose duty and service grants honour to the living. May God find the martyrs of Carthum Conglomerate worthy to find the peace of shade in Paradise. I am certain the investigative officers of Lai Dai Protection Services and the Imperial authorities will bring to light what is now in the dark on the matter.
Stig Elendil The Scope Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.08.01 21:31:32 - [50] - Quote Soldarius wrote: Next, I'd like to suggest that the entire incident could also have been one mega-corp mounting an attack upon another. In this case, we then need to ask who are Lai Dai's competitors, or who would stand to benefit from the loss of the convoy? I would also go into this as a good possibility. While reviewing some old news my eyes were caught by one line in a Scope news at 0:13. This is concerning Propel Dynamics and the events that happened in their station warehouse in Tamo (one) and the subsequent news about them puting a formal case to the House of Records for espionage against another corporation (two). Of course those have never been confirmed since it happened and we have no clues as how the case is going on, if it has even evolved and eventualy, if nothing was moving in their favor they might have decided to retaliate in their own way. Here we would have a valid opponent to Lai Dai that could be seeking revenge. I know it has some flows (what would be their benefit except basic vengeance ?) but i think it should be kept in mind as a possibility.
Aeon Amadii Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.08.02 13:53:35 - [51] - Quote Quattras Peione wrote: I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space? The name of that particle physicist keeps nagging at me. I'm sure I've heard the name Seena Feydd somewhere, but GalNet searches have shown nothing. So, the Drifters engage the Amarr in Safizon, which if I am not mistaken is or is close to where the new Imperial Flagship had it's keelaying ceremony... ... and a Lai Dai convoy accompanied by a Carthum engineering team is attacked, seemingly at random, going to the wrong way from their alledged destination... I hate to pull the tin-foil out here but I'm curious if the two are connected. Can anyone find evidence that would suggest the Carthum engineering team had anything to do with the new Imperial Flagship? If I'm not mistaken it is using state-of-the-art technology from all corners of the galaxy. It isn't much to assume that this convoy may very well have been trying to subtlely bring over parts... (This character is the Eve version of Aeon Amadi)
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 715	Posted - 2015.08.02 16:04:45 - [52] - Quote Aeon Amadii wrote: I hate to pull the tin-foil out here but I'm curious if the two are connected. Can anyone find evidence that would suggest the Carthum engineering team had anything to do with the new Imperial Flagship? If I'm not mistaken it is using state-of-the-art technology from all corners of the galaxy. It isn't much to assume that this convoy may very well have been trying to subtlely bring over parts... Not to crumple the tin-foil, but the Drifters aren't known to pose as Caldari/Guristas in order to avoid people knowing what they're doing.
Aeon Amadii Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.08.02 18:23:17 - [53] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Aeon Amadii wrote: I hate to pull the tin-foil out here but I'm curious if the two are connected. Can anyone find evidence that would suggest the Carthum engineering team had anything to do with the new Imperial Flagship? If I'm not mistaken it is using state-of-the-art technology from all corners of the galaxy. It isn't much to assume that this convoy may very well have been trying to subtlely bring over parts... Not to crumple the tin-foil, but the Drifters aren't known to pose as Caldari/Guristas in order to avoid people knowing what they're doing. That goes without saying, but if the Drifters, as technologically advanced as they are, are after something that the Imperial Armada possess in Safizon it could stand to reason that someone else would want it as well. The technology going into that Battleship is likely something that any of the empires - or even capsuleer entities - would covet. I need not remind anyone of what happened to the last Elder Fleet that tried to play with the last Flagship Jamyl threw at them. (This character is the Eve version of Aeon Amadi)

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