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Spacehulk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:46:00 -
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Sol Mortis nabbed it head on.
For those who have no idea on fleet combat, go try it out first. A jammer is primary most of the time and now without being able to tank or jam for one cycle before needing to warp off you are useless.
Fights that I have joined, once 3 other BS target your scorp you warp out and have half armour (from an armour tanked ship) left. Both sides use jammers so what applies to me also applies to the jammer in the other group.
Once you have max Cruiser, Recon, Battleship and Signal Dispersion skills (All maxed means all lvl 5 .. duh) and you jam for squat then its a problem.
ECM is broken worse than before Kali. They used to say ECM is over powered when you had to stack modules on a single ship to jam it. Guess that was way better than it is now. One Scorp could perma Jam 2 ships ... rarely 3 ships ... but would never be worse than that for a fleet battle. With the chance base a Scorp could jam 7-8 ships. Bring back the old system and enhance ECM strength on ECM ships. Strengthen Resistance of an ECM ship so if you need to dedicate jammers on it then you disable it and wont be able to disable another ship.
Bring back stacking ECM, increase ECM bonus on EWar ships and increase Gravimetric strength of Ewar ships.
1 Scorp should be able to jam 6 frigates with Racials, 3 Cruisers and 2 BS ... Enough to cause havoc in small groups and not at all in large fleet war.
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Spacehulk
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.16 08:16:00 -
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ECM is overpowering before Revelations if a really small gang came against another small gang with a jammer or a fleet came against another fleet with annoying number of jammers. Thats just the way ECM should work.
2 gangs of 1 jammer in each and 1 damage dealer is a balanced fight where skills and luck on who jams first has the "upper" hand.
2 gangs where 1 has a jammer and a damage dealer and the other have 2 damage dealers .. Duh .. The jammer gang SHOULD win. Its common sense and thats what happens in real life combat.
2 gangs with damage dealers only is a fair fight where, again, skills and luck have a factor.
Where the heck was ECM unbalanced and over powered except when damage dealer ships could install jammers and be "jam specialists and damage specialists" ....
Bring back ECM to where it was and if we have to sacrifice tankability then we should have the choice of increasing Jam strength further or tank. Breaking something doesn't fix it. |
Spacehulk
Caldari
Freedom-Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.19 03:07:00 -
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In response to a few of the above posts :
 Originally by: DarkElf
ppl have got used to being able to warp right on top of a target and scram and perma jam them and be safe. that's not how it's supposed to be. warp in at range like jammers are designed for and most of the time ur safe.
A jammer should not be close to a target. I never was unless they warp next to me. Remember we are support.
Originally by: Sally
I routinely fly BB. Its still best EW cruiser. Scorpion is still very valued in fleet fights, in fact after Kali even more so as now its able to reach T2 snipers.
Yes and no and it always was that way, depending on if you used racials and what ammo the other person used.
Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan
It was my understanding that cladari are meant to have the most powerfull form of ewar.
Interesting post you have but ECM isn't the most potent. I am into "EWar" and maybe that gives me (and others too) an insight on whats the best way to kill a Caldari ECM ship using another race's skills. Also Caldari tend to have the worst Scan Resolution making them the slowest to lock.
Originally by: Aramendel
Reliably taking out 2-3 cruisers is (from the sensorstrength) about the same as reliably taking out 1-2 BS.
The enemy "looses" 1.5 BS, the side with the scorp "looses" 0.5 BS (reduced dps output of the scorp).
And when a HAC is able to tank and take down a BS its OK cuz its a HAC and someone is selling it for 200 mill, but its still a cruiser ... Oh never mind .. We are talking about how a BS should not be able to jam 2-3 cruisers and why .. Oh nm .. your maths just doesn't make sense.
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