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Lady Areola Fappington 2656	Posted - 2015.07.26 18:14:31 - [61] - Quote admiral root wrote: No, he's right. CCP only call this brick outhouse a brick outhouse because it's made of bricks, not because it's actually a brick outhouse. Carebears are weird. Only a carebear could sit back and say "Huh, this ship that falls under the "capital ships" tab in the market, that's built with capital ship components, that CCP SAYS is a capital ship obviously ISN'T a capital ship! In order to prove this fact I shall substitute my own definitions as to what a cap ship is." Using this train of thought, all mining barges and exhumers are combat class battleships, because they can deploy full flights of light drones, much like other battleships in-game can do. 7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25419	Posted - 2015.07.26 18:30:21 - [62] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: BotAspirant wrote: If CCP gives you plate with sh** on it and calls it pizza. Are you going to eat it? Seems like you ppl would enjoy it and ask for another one. Look into the construction process. Insulting people won't remove your ignorance. Looking at the construction process, blackops battleships are capital shipsGÇª Yes, CCP calls freighters capships, but they share none of the characteristics that actually define and separate capships from other classes so it's a pretty questionable call. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Cristl 244	Posted - 2015.07.26 18:53:19 - [63] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Cristl wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: You were in a Freighter weren't you? That's a capital ship. Hmm...nope. People do argue what ships constitute capital vessels (often submarines start the argument) but they are always combat vessels. What are you basing this on, Eve's construction requirements? Entirely wrong. You're confusing "capital ship" with "ship of the line". The phrases you have quoted refer to things that have never existed in the same time frame. Not by more than a century.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 348	Posted - 2015.07.26 19:09:57 - [64] - Quote AG Victory? Let's put it this way - after cargo/ship scan of you, goonie decided to play cat with mouse game and nothing else. At least thanks for your time spent typing all this cool story. Would like to ask you same ammount of time on typing next cool story about fail AG. Thx.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:24:22 - [65] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Calm down miner! No need to get rude and all personal over this obviously fabricated AG success story. Just stay relaxed and make sure you have a valid mining permit. So it really is butthurt, and it intensifies. Obviously dumb gankers failed easiest possible gank and now they call it fabricated despite the proofpics. Oh, the salt... Tiddle Jr wrote: AG Victory? Let's put it this way - after cargo/ship scan of you, goonie decided to play cat with mouse game and nothing else. At least thanks for your time spent typing all this cool story. Would like to ask you same ammount of time on typing next cool story about fail AG. Thx. Oh cmon, it's obviously not "AG Victory". What saved him is that average ganker IQ happens to be slightly below Hammerhead I.
Jenshae Chiroptera 2110	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:39:57 - [66] - Quote Tippia wrote: Yes, CCP calls freighters capships, but they share none of the characteristics that actually define and separate capships from other classes so it's a pretty questionable call. Hit points Size Cargo Hold Slow warp / align Certainly more similar to a capital than a frigate. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
Desert Ice78 Gryphons of the Western Wind 513	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:42:27 - [67] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: AG Victory? Let's put it this way - after cargo/ship scan of you, goonie decided to play cat with mouse game and nothing else. At least thanks for your time spent typing all this cool story. Would like to ask you same ammount of time on typing next cool story about fail AG. Thx. They wasted a 40 man cat fleet in that game then. I know - I was doing the repping. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13823	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:46:30 - [68] - Quote Cristl wrote: The phrases you have quoted refer to things that have never existed in the same time frame. Not by more than a century. And? This is a space game, after all. His claim was that anything categorized as a "capital ship" is by definition a combat ship, meaning that freighters should not qualify as capital ships. He's wrong, and I illustrated that using a relatively dated naval term, yes. So what? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Daerrol Krieger Industries Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic 199	Posted - 2015.07.27 00:42:54 - [69] - Quote Freighter use Advanced Spaceship command therefore they are caps. Easy.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13823	Posted - 2015.07.27 00:47:59 - [70] - Quote Daerrol wrote: Freighter use Advanced Spaceship command therefore they are caps. Easy. Even easier. What market tab are they under? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Valenthe de Celine Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2015.07.27 00:57:26 - [71] - Quote BotAspirant wrote: If CCP gives you plate with sh** on it and calls it pizza. Are you going to eat it? Seems like you ppl would enjoy it and ask for another one. You know, that isn't fresh milk you're layering across that paste of fermented, mutilated wheat embryos. And I bet you think pepperoni tastes like that 'cause it's fresh as the day it was cleaved from an animal and jammed in a meat grinder. Food involves plenty of other things eating it or just partially digesting it before we get there and none of it is without gristly detail and parts of animals we're usually telling ourselves that the meat packing industry just doesn't use. I betcha don't like beer, either, right? Wake up call for you, I guess? Or some of us call it dinner.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13823	Posted - 2015.07.27 00:59:43 - [72] - Quote Valenthe de Celine wrote: BotAspirant wrote: If CCP gives you plate with sh** on it and calls it pizza. Are you going to eat it? Seems like you ppl would enjoy it and ask for another one. You know, that isn't fresh milk you're layering across that paste of fermented, mutilated wheat embryos. And I bet you think pepperoni tastes like that 'cause it's fresh as the day it was cleaved from an animal and jammed in a meat grinder. Food involves plenty of other things eating it or just lartially digesting it before we get there and none of it is without gristly detail and parts of animals we're usually telling ourselves that the meat packing industry just doesn't use. I betcha don't like beer, either, right? Wake up call for you, I guess? Or some of us call it dinner. I have one word for you. Castoreum. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6656	Posted - 2015.07.27 02:24:44 - [73] - Quote An Machariel? I got that far before my jaw literally dropped and I tried to facepalm but I accidentally drooled on my hand from the dumb that hit me. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6656	Posted - 2015.07.27 02:27:14 - [74] - Quote BotAspirant wrote: @Jeak I dont see how bumping me for over an hour and then failing to kill me is success. I am not surprised that you can only consider yourself and what happens to you in the big picture. Not surprised at all. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2015.07.27 02:57:06 - [75] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: BotAspirant wrote: @Jeak I dont see how bumping me for over an hour and then failing to kill me is success. I am not surprised that you can only consider yourself and what happens to you in the big picture. Not surprised at all. Ah, the wonderful example of spaceship lawyering, so full of tasty salty tears. "We have failed pathetically, but that doesn't matter, we win in the long run (until ganking starts requiring at least mosquito IQ to pull off, then we declare our victory and disband in search of next cretin-proof activity)".
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1105	Posted - 2015.07.27 03:41:36 - [76] - Quote baltec1 wrote: This is entertaining but I do wonder why nobody has picked up on the OPs name. Last line of my page one post. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 356	Posted - 2015.07.27 04:44:53 - [77] - Quote If you pay $15 a month to mine and fly a frieghter across space you need help. You are a total loser and pretty worthless. There seriously is something wrong with you. This is a video game. Like remember Mario and Zelda and Madden and Metal Gear Solid and Call of Duty and Syphon Filter. Freaking video games If you think its fun to pay 15$ a month to relax and mine and watch some arbitrary number in your wallet increase little by little. Go watch paint dry. Go sit at a mall and people watch. Go watch tv or youtube (oh wait you guys already watch youtube instead of mining cuz its so boring) go outside. Go google something. Read a book. Cook some food. Do ANYTHING ELSE IN THE FREAKING WORLD EVEN GOING TO DENTIST and i promise you will have more fun and more enjoyment and mpre relaxing that freaking mining in eve or hauling freighters. Holy hell dudes you even admit this crap is so boring you need to afk haul or alt tab to netfix while you do these activities. Stop doing them LOL God miners are such idiot ignorant losers. Get a life DWEEBS
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:18:43 - [78] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: If you pay $15 a month to mine and fly a frieghter across space you need help. You are a total loser and pretty worthless. There seriously is something wrong with you. This is a video game. Like remember Mario and Zelda and Madden and Metal Gear Solid and Call of Duty and Syphon Filter. Freaking video games If you think its fun to pay 15$ a month to relax and mine and watch some arbitrary number in your wallet increase little by little. Go watch paint dry. Go sit at a mall and people watch. Go watch tv or youtube (oh wait you guys already watch youtube instead of mining cuz its so boring) go outside. Go google something. Read a book. Cook some food. Do ANYTHING ELSE IN THE FREAKING WORLD EVEN GOING TO DENTIST and i promise you will have more fun and more enjoyment and mpre relaxing that freaking mining in eve or hauling freighters. Holy hell dudes you even admit this crap is so boring you need to afk haul or alt tab to netfix while you do these activities. Stop doing them LOL God miners are such idiot ignorant losers. Get a life DWEEBS Why so butthurt? I mean you're literally "HOW DARE SOMEBODY PAY $15 A MONTH TO DO WHAT THEY WANT" and "EVERYBODY WHO ISNT A KEWL KID LIKE ME MUST BE A SICKO". I can assure you of many things: 1) Mining is a means, not a goal. 2) It does not increase wallet, until you reprocess (which Crius turned into quite an adventure), haul (which includes run-in with mosquito-IQ individuals), and sell (which is also trickier business than damping to a sell order like every impatient restless insecure person like you would ever imagine). 3) Mostly it doesn't go like that, you mine to build stuff. No build = no pew. There is no Jita in nullsec, you build your own stuff. Unless, of course, you want to bust your ass driving a freighter down to Jita to have a run-in with mosquito-IQ individuals. Mining and building is simply faster and less of a hassle than a shopping tour. 4) In a fleet mining rocks go down every second, cargoholds fill fast, boosted fleets excavate at crazy frog speed, you don't have a moment to rest, not to mention alt-tabbing and netflix stuff. 5) Ignorant loser is the guy who claims his fun is The Only True Fun, builds a shrine to it between his eyebrows, and considers everyone who doesn't worship it a loser. In other words, you. 6) Watching wallet increase is called ratting. It's what your alliance tried to do before getting its butt kicked repeatedly. Talking about losers is something a BRAVE really shouldn't do without at least some reflection.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24456	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:23:06 - [79] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: A kinda harsh and not worth repeating post Now, now CAM, deep breaths There's nothing wrong with hauling or mining as activities, they are a necessary element of Eve; not everybody enjoys doing the same stuff. I get that people do these activities to relax although doing anything afk is a dumb idea in a game where crime is an everyday occurrence and where warfare declared, or otherwise manifested through crime is a fact of life . People need to be aware that in Eve they alone are responsible for their own safety; and that explosions in Eve are like kittens, they can happen to anyone. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 358	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:26:20 - [80] - Quote Dude you cant figure out how to web a ship into warp lol. Freaking several gankers even explain the process and gave you hints and tips cuz they knew that stupid bears either wouldnt put for the effort of practicing it or just wouldnt understand it. Lol Seriously lear2web2instawarp then talk some trash. Go practice station to station first (Ps ENSURE BOTH STATIONS ARE IN SAME SYSTEM WHEN YOU ARE PRACTICING WEB-INSTA-WARPS) lol its sad i had to point that out but i know how you ignorant bears are
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 358	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:28:12 - [81] - Quote Also ensure you mske your frieghter come to complete stop after undocking. Wow its so sad how much explained these bears need things
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:35:46 - [82] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Dude you cant figure out how to web a ship into warp lol. I can. I also can figure it only works on boards. ED: I also provided some proving killboard link where freighters die with blue webs on them. There's obviously no way of actually missing the webs, even despite the fact that morons like that QQODE moron (how was his name again) suggested something stupid like dramiel... it just doesn't actually work outside of boards. Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Freaking several gankers even explain the process and gave you hints and tips cuz they knew that stupid bears either wouldnt put for the effort of practicing it or just wouldnt understand it. Obviously they are interested in explaining non-functional counters. It's what keeps their pathetic boat afloat. Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: butthurt snipped Why so butthurt? Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Also ensure you mske your frieghter come to complete stop after undocking. Wow its so sad how much explained these bears need things Because real haulers know about insta-undocks and your ignorant stupid ranting north end of a south-bound horse doesn't. Damn censorship.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 358	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:40:00 - [83] - Quote Lol you see "blue webs on killmails" and assume it doesnt work cuz those losers died? They did it wromt/too late/after they had been bumped. Why cant you understand that? And i ment stop after undocking to practice. Follow steps laid out by us. Try it. See your ship warp sideways within 5secs
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 358	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:42:10 - [84] - Quote If you get bumped. Game over. You need to web IMMEDIATELY you uncloak and click warp to. You screw it up you lose. You get 1 shot eat gate jump to do it properly and not get bumped. Go practice baddy
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25425	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:47:40 - [85] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Tippia wrote: Yes, CCP calls freighters capships, but they share none of the characteristics that actually define and separate capships from other classes so it's a pretty questionable call. Hit points Size Cargo Hold Slow warp / align Certainly more similar to a capital than a frigate. Those make them more like battleships, if anything, and none of them are defining characteristics of capships. Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Daerrol wrote: Freighter use Advanced Spaceship command therefore they are caps. Easy. Even easier. What market tab are they under? GÇªbut they don't use the Capital Ships skill, and they appear under the same market tab as the Orca, which, with its L-sized rigs and modules, L-sized construction array, high-sec access, and complete lack of any capship-related skills very clearly isn't a capital ship. So neither of those are really defining characteristics of capships either. For an old rundown of what actually sets capships apart, see this old thing. Some of the details have changed, but the general distinctiveness and logic behind making that distinction still holds true. In the end, it comes down to how there is no one single sufficient attribute that says something is a capship (except maybe their exclusion from highsec), but there are a handful of necessary ones. On the industrial side, only the Rorqual qualifies for all those necessary conditions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.07.27 05:50:40 - [86] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Lol you see "blue webs on killmails" and assume it doesnt work cuz those losers died? They are only losers by game design - had to use a freighter, because honestly, with some cargo, there is no way around (except maybe even less safe variations). Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: They did it wromt/too late/after they had been bumped. Why cant you understand that? I perfectly understand that - it just doesn't matter though, because you can't prevent bumping. Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: And i ment stop after undocking to practice. Follow steps laid out by us. Following steps laid out by ignorant losers is a sure way to fail. Well, webbing is the way to fail, nothing extraordinary, just another of your loser days I guess. Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Try it. See your ship warp sideways within 5secs How long do you think it takes for a noobship to land an overheated long point on a freighter? Hint: 2 seconds. Then you get bumped. Now you get it, loser? Why webbing only works on boards. Go come up with more stupidity, baddie from baddie corp of baddie alliance...
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1403	Posted - 2015.07.27 06:06:43 - [87] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Calm down miner! No need to get rude and all personal over this obviously fabricated AG success story. Just stay relaxed and make sure you have a valid mining permit. So it really is butthurt, and it intensifies. Obviously dumb gankers failed easiest possible gank and now they call it fabricated despite the proofpics. Oh, the salt... Are you sure it's not your own salt? The only one I see crying here while calling everyone dumb is you. You should really calm down a bit, get a deep breath, maybe drink a glass of water to reclaim some of the liquid you just lost over the last couple of pages. Maybe speak to your nearest New Order Agent in-game, so we can make sure you are ready for everyday highsec and don't lose any more of your ships. It's really best for all of us if you stop to rebel, accept your place at the bottom of the PvP food chain and just comply with the Code. For the future of Highsec and for our children! the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2015.07.27 06:35:43 - [88] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Calm down miner! No need to get rude and all personal over this obviously fabricated AG success story. Just stay relaxed and make sure you have a valid mining permit. So it really is butthurt, and it intensifies. Obviously dumb gankers failed easiest possible gank and now they call it fabricated despite the proofpics. Oh, the salt... Are you sure it's not your own salt? The only one I see crying here while calling everyone dumb is you. You should really calm down a bit, get a deep breath, maybe drink a glass of water to reclaim some of the liquid you just lost over the last couple of pages. Maybe speak to your nearest New Order Agent in-game, so we can make sure you are ready for everyday highsec and don't lose any more of your ships. It's really best for all of us if you stop to rebel, accept your place at the bottom of the PvP food chain and just comply with the Code. For the future of Highsec and for our children! Except I clearly stated quite a few times that I am not in hisec, but in a safer place. Why don't you go cry about fabricated some more? Your salt is pouring all over your troll wannabe post.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 14689	Posted - 2015.07.27 07:32:15 - [89] - Quote You're talking about logging timers and similar... isn't that what the safe log is for? If you have no timer on you, use safe to ensure you get removed from space instead of doing the normal quit client/log. But bumping can be annoying as fudge especially when it's easy to bump, but harder to counter bump. Getting an alt/friend in the general direction of your bump and fleet warp to him/her might be a good way to get out of bumpy situations /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 38972	Posted - 2015.07.27 07:35:45 - [90] - Quote Chribba wrote: You're talking about logging timers and similar... isn't that what the safe log is for? /c You can't safe log if you are targetted. So the bumping ship just has to lock up the freighter/etc. to prevent it from safe logging. No GCC from yellow boxing. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari

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