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BotAspirant
Bad Taste.
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Posted - 2015.07.25 18:35:41 -
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Today aprox. 14:00 I entered Niarja in my freighter. An Machariel locked me and tried to bump me, but he failed and hit the Kaaputenen gate. I convoed him and loled him but I was laughing too soon. When I jumped into Madirmilire, Machariel#2 started to bump me. I was waiting for a while expecting he will just give up. But he didnt give up. So I logged off for 16 mins. expecting that he will be gone. When I warped back to the gate, there was waiting different Machariel#3(probably his alt or friend). Of course he starts to bump me again. I wait 15 mins. I read here and there that it is considered harassment to bump someone for longer than 15 mins. So 14:42 I filed harassment ticket that I am being bumped for half an hour. Meanwhile they attacked me with a noob ship and tried to convo me which I ignored. GM suggested me to log off. I told him that I cant because I dont want to lose my pod too and that they attacked me twice in noob ships. I wait for another half an hour hoping that GM will do something about it. But his respond was, that it is ok and he can do nothing. At this point I am being bumped for an hour and the system local filled with a bunch of capsuleers. As it was no suprise to me that CCP's support is useless, I decided to ask for help in anti-ganking channel and my friends in our channel. 3-4 neutral logis(probably from AG) and 3 my friends came to my help. Because the gankers didnt trigger log-off timer on me for a while I decided to log off. I didnt like this idea because I lose bonuses to shield and armor hit points from fleet and possibly lose my pod if they gank me. When I logged off they triggered log-off timer again but one of my friend managed to bump the machariel and my freighter warped off. I quickly log in again but it was too late and they were bumping me again off the Romi gate. I should set dock to station which I didnt realize. For some reason when they were bumping me off the Romi gate my ship was trying to warp and I couldnt stop it. They brought second Machariel so I wont escape again. Because the neutral logis went away when I warped off the Niarja gate, the gankers saw their chance to finaly kill me. I think 1-2 AG guys noticed that I am not safe yet and came back. At 15:13 the gankers(mostly goons) attacked me with cca 18 ships(cats and talos). Their gank failed and I warped back to the spot 400km from Niarja gate, I dont know why or how. Then I quickly and finally docked. I had 95% structure hp and my freighter was fitted with cargohold expanders. It was close.
I want to thank to all the guys that came to help me. You really saved my a**. CODE likes to say that AG isnt working but it is. And for sure you wont read such a story on minerbumping.
TLDR:
Yeah :D Happy ending. The sad thing is that you are helpless against bumping and that after 12 years CCP didnt fix this mechanic. If you thought that you cant be bumped for longer than 15 mins. then you are wrong. They can bump you all day if they want.
I am not against ganking in high sec. Honestly I had a great time. But it should not be possible to disable a ship for long time especialy in high sec(and yeah bumping titans/sc from under POS shields etc.). I think we all agree on this.
I dont understand why CCP removed the support tickets from the game client. It was very good system and I could see the respond immediately. Why do you have to break working things and ignore broken s*** for years? |
Jeak Shouna
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.25 18:44:22 -
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If you check zkill they killed 3 oyher freighters with 45mins of your attack..
So dont think they failed lol |
BotAspirant
Bad Taste.
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Posted - 2015.07.25 18:49:45 -
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@Jeak I dont see how bumping me for over an hour and then failing to kill me is success. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
1033
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Posted - 2015.07.25 19:18:17 -
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Freighters need a Mining Permit too, you know.
Although, given your name, I would assume CODE. makes your demise a priority regardless of you owning one or not.....
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6265
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Posted - 2015.07.25 19:25:51 -
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Holy jeez man!
If you play like you post, I'd put a priority on ganking you too. 
Paragraphs man, PARAGRAPHS!!!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10978
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Posted - 2015.07.25 20:31:31 -
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That wall-O-text has a physicality to it, I'd attempt to read it but I fear i may break my nose on it.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1268
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Posted - 2015.07.25 22:51:39 -
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BotAspirant wrote:
Yeah :D Happy ending. The sad thing is that you are helpless against bumping and that after 12 years CCP didnt fix this mechanic. If you thought that you cant be bumped for longer than 15 mins. then you are wrong. They can bump you all day if they want.
I am not against ganking in high sec. Honestly I had a great time. But it should not be possible to disable a ship for long time especialy in high sec(and yeah bumping titans/sc from under POS shields etc.). I think we all agree on this.
I dont understand why CCP removed the support tickets from the game client. It was very good system and I could see the respond immediately.
Why do you have to break working things and ignore broken s*** for years?
Congratulations on your victory. And congratulations to the Code as it wins again as always, generating quality content in highsec apparently worthy of a GD post.
Still, I hope you learned a lesson. It is up to you to protect your ship. Freighters are really quite vulnerable to bumping. It behooves you BotAspirant to stay at your keyboard and bring an escort if you want to keep your ship safe.
But really the vulnerability of capital ships to bumping has been in the game for a decade or more and is a legal use of game mechanics. So protect your ship from being tackled as you are not entitled to a get-out-of-PvP free card even in highsec. |
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
65
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Posted - 2015.07.25 23:10:15 -
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BotAspirant wrote:
I dont understand why CCP removed the support tickets from the game client. It was very good system and I could see the respond immediately.
Probably because they're tired of responding to all the ****-tickets you people keep filling their system with and decided to make it less convenient to do so.
Helps them provide assistance to people who actually have a legitimate problem quicker. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2100
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Posted - 2015.07.25 23:35:19 -
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I did some bumping quite recently.
Saw this Obelisk on a gate, well it was 10km off and realised it was auto-piloting, so I set about bumping it toward the gate.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Cayden Furyan
Gryphons of the Western Wind
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Posted - 2015.07.26 00:02:43 -
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Come with me if you want to live. |
Daerrol
Krieger Industries Inc.
Phoebe Freeport Republic
197
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Posted - 2015.07.26 00:06:31 -
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# of people required to save yoiur freighter
web and insta-warp your freighter: 1
Ship cost: Recon (Huggin) - 200m
# of people required to gank your freighter
1-3 Bumping SFI/Machariel - 400m-1.2bn
10? Tier 3 BC -600m
so they need to field ~11 people and you need to field 1 to counter them. They have the broken mechanics? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.07.26 00:28:07 -
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Daerrol wrote:... so they need to field ~11 people and you need to field 1 to counter them. They have the broken mechanics? Logically, I think that the original design would expect most High Sec attacks of this large a nature would be part of a war declaration, while more piracy would be in Low Sec.
Until NPC corps and war declarations are fixed in some way, it won't be right to fight the ganking + High Sec side of the coin.
So, yeah, a heap of broken mechanics all over the place.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
13790
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Posted - 2015.07.26 00:30:22 -
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BotAspirant wrote:The sad thing is that you are helpless against bumping
Wrong.
Quote: I think we all agree on this.
CCP certainly doesn't. Bumping is a legal, valid mechanic.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24441
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Posted - 2015.07.26 01:48:43 -
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BotAspirant wrote:I read here and there that it is considered harassment to bump someone for longer than 15 mins. So 13:42 I filed harassment ticket that I am being bumped for half an hour. Meanwhile they attacked me with a noob ship and tried to convo me which I ignored. CCP define harassment by bumping, in this sticky thread, as follows:
GM Karidor wrote:However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis....
...While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents).
Quote:I want to thank to all the guys that came to help me. You really saved my a**. CODE likes to say that AG isnt working but it is. And for sure you wont read such a story on minerbumping. And fair play to them for doing so. Eve is about player driven and created content, you've just encountered 2 sides of an infinitesimally sided dice.
Quote:TLDR:
Yeah :D Happy ending. The sad thing is that you are helpless against bumping and that after 12 years CCP didnt fix this mechanic. If you thought that you cant be bumped for longer than 15 mins. then you are wrong. They can bump you all day if they want.
I am not against ganking in high sec. Honestly I had a great time. But it should not be possible to disable a ship for long time especialy in high sec(and yeah bumping titans/sc from under POS shields etc.). I think we all agree on this.
I dont understand why CCP removed the support tickets from the game client. It was very good system and I could see the respond immediately.
Why do you have to break working things and ignore broken s*** for years? Your TL;DR is too long 
If you had a good time then it's a win for everybody.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1105
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Posted - 2015.07.26 02:24:45 -
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"Today aprox. 13:00 I entered Niarja in my freighter..."
Ugh, CHOAD are lazy and poor. I was in Gisleres the other day and saw 4 hulks and a covetor eating a belt with 12 jetcans full of ore floating around them. Now i have a roleplaying thing going with a backstory of my father being hurt in a terrible jetcan mining incident.
Usually i'll steal the ore, my best effort was in Aeddin where i evaded a jaguar and a wolf in my mammoth, in a 2 gate 1 station system.
Now with this criminal timers business i'd need 12 haulers to roll up, loot n warp to easily get away with 20m worth of roid. If only there was an equipped and organised group that could pull off such a minor heist.
But no. There isn't.
OP ran into the fart-joke kids of hisec, who lurk the hubs and the odd bottleneck but never travel or scout.
Back to Gisleres, a few minutes from Dodixie. This single handed, multi-boxing, whole-belt-eating, small-change-earning in hisec operation offends my delicate sensibilities on so many levels. It takes a long time to make a few crumbs in extreme safety. It promotes and extends the forever-in-the-shallows mentality of pilots who crouch around the galaxy in a defensive posture, complaining about their sore backs.
OP, you need maybe 2 friends to beat this, logging off for 16 minutes is barely logging off at all. You have options.
Seeing so much laziness in hisec now, sorely tempted to start a corp that is a skilled, determined attempt to make nullsec look good. Newbros need guidance and a little mercy, 5 year old miners who've never heard of spodumain need a foot in the arse, noisy CHOAD alts making propaganda threads deserve nothing.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
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Posted - 2015.07.26 02:24:49 -
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I came across a small bump party just offgrid of a gate the other day. Dudes in bombers constantly reshipping as they die, while a Machariel keeps the Fenrir bumped. I started popping the bombers but of course they can get off a salvo of torps before I can lock, and Fenrir was already down to 25% structure or so, so the Fenrir died. I tried bumping the Machariel away a couple times too, but that didn't really work out. I guess maybe I could have convoed the Fenrir and told him to align to a station, then try to bump him in that direction? I was in a Gila with a top speed of 1,700 or so... so not sure if that would work. Whatever. Didn't care much about the Fenrir anyway, was really just there to whore on some bomber KMs. |
BotAspirant
Bad Taste.
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Posted - 2015.07.26 02:49:02 -
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Daerrol wrote:# of people required to save yoiur freighter
web and insta-warp your freighter: 1
Ship cost: Recon (Huggin) - 200m
# of people required to gank your freighter
1-3 Bumping SFI/Machariel - 400m-1.2bn
10? Tier 3 BC -600m
so they need to field ~11 people and you need to field 1 to counter them. They have the broken mechanics?
You need 20 cats - 100M, to kill a ship for 1.3b. But that is not the problem.
Web doesnt do s*** when you are bumped.... and why should I need 2 accounts to fly a container? You are out of your element Daerrol.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
351
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Posted - 2015.07.26 02:58:17 -
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BotAspirant wrote:Daerrol wrote:# of people required to save yoiur freighter
web and insta-warp your freighter: 1
Ship cost: Recon (Huggin) - 200m
# of people required to gank your freighter
1-3 Bumping SFI/Machariel - 400m-1.2bn
10? Tier 3 BC -600m
so they need to field ~11 people and you need to field 1 to counter them. They have the broken mechanics? You need 20 cats - 100M, to kill a ship for 1.3b. But that is not the problem. Web doesnt do s*** when you are bumped.... and why should I need 2 accounts to fly a container? You are out of your element Daerrol.
U use web before youre bumped idiot. As soon as you decloak and click wap to you then web fast.
You should be in warp before mach gets in range to bump if you aint a complete idiot or just suck at video games.
Seriously learn basic hauling mechanics before throwing billions of isk in a hauler mr. Ignorant |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
351
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Posted - 2015.07.26 03:01:06 -
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And you dont "need 2 accounts to fly a container"
But you damn sue need more than one account to fly a freaking CAPITAL SHIP DUDE.
Cap ships need support idiot.
You are bad at video games |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
3137
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Posted - 2015.07.26 03:06:56 -
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BotAspirant wrote:Daerrol wrote:# of people required to save yoiur freighter
web and insta-warp your freighter: 1
Ship cost: Recon (Huggin) - 200m
# of people required to gank your freighter
1-3 Bumping SFI/Machariel - 400m-1.2bn
10? Tier 3 BC -600m
so they need to field ~11 people and you need to field 1 to counter them. They have the broken mechanics? You need 20 cats - 100M, to kill a ship for 1.3b. But that is not the problem. Web doesnt do s*** when you are bumped.... and why should I need 2 accounts to fly a container? You are out of your element Daerrol.
Webs do do ****, if you use them before you are bumped. That is the idea. Waiting until you are bumped is way, way too late.
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BotAspirant
Bad Taste.
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Posted - 2015.07.26 03:15:59 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:And you dont "need 2 accounts to fly a container"
But you damn sue need more than one account to fly a freaking CAPITAL SHIP DUDE.
Cap ships need support idiot.
You are bad at video games
Oh you are right... I need to fit doomsday to kill the machariel next time. |
Siegfried Cohenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2015.07.26 03:21:05 -
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op formatting please, I have yet to read your post but use the enter key some more |
BotAspirant
Bad Taste.
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Posted - 2015.07.26 03:48:01 -
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Siegfried Cohenberg wrote:op formatting please, I have yet to read your post but use the enter key some more
You deserve no mercy. You literally wasted few hours of my life. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3543
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Posted - 2015.07.26 03:55:45 -
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The ability of one side to maintain a virtually unlimited stalemate does seem like a broken mechanic. Suggested change CCP could do: If you activate warp, your ship will eventually enter warp (say, in 2 to 5 minutes), irrelevant of its speed.
Note that this does not stop ganking, nor does it interfere with bumping ships on autopilot.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
13792
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Posted - 2015.07.26 04:00:52 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:The ability of one side to maintain a virtually unlimited stalemate does seem like a broken mechanic.
Except it's entirely avoidable by use of an actually broken mechanic, being able to web freaking capital ships into warp in less than a second.
The counter exists. Webs. Use them, or not. But if you don't, don't cry about the obvious consequences.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38882
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Posted - 2015.07.26 04:27:50 -
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BotAspirant wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:And you dont "need 2 accounts to fly a container"
But you damn sue need more than one account to fly a freaking CAPITAL SHIP DUDE.
Cap ships need support idiot.
You are bad at video games Oh you are right... I need to fit doomsday to kill the machariel next time or just use jump drive. Wait....
You were in a Freighter weren't you?
That's a capital ship.
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Orlacc
902
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Posted - 2015.07.26 05:01:22 -
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The clock stopped every time you logged off, negating your "more than 15 minutes" theorem.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
525
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Posted - 2015.07.26 05:14:09 -
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Surely your posting here has limited any potential future bumping. |
Lady Areola Fappington
2652
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Posted - 2015.07.26 05:17:52 -
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BotAspirant wrote:
Web doesnt do s*** when you are bumped.... and why should I need 2 accounts to fly a container? You are out of your element Daerrol.
If you want to get technical, the intent is not for you to just roll another alt to do your webbing. That's highsec carebear thinking, attempting to be utterly isolationist in a MMOG game built on social interactions.
The actual idea is, if you're at the point of flying a billion ISK ship like that, you should be in a corp, with friends, who are willing to support your move op with webs, an ECM escort, and the like.
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.
--Eve New Player Guide
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16440
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Posted - 2015.07.26 05:27:22 -
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This is entertaining but I do wonder why nobody has picked up on the OPs name.
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