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Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 557	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:08:22 - [31] - Quote Goldfinch wrote: Anything that incurs a Weapons Flag is also subject to CONCORD retaliation Matshi Raish is a Capsuleer. He is expected to observe the aggression rules in Hisec as set forth by Yulai Convention articles which also empower CONCORD And CONCORD did not fire - therefore, he was not violating any aggression standards upheld by CONCORD. By the same token, neither the Empress, nor anyone following her orders, violated any laws. As I have said elsewhere, this is made manifest and obvious because (a) She got away with it, and (b) She had the biggest guns on the field - and more of them available if she needed them. Does anyone really think there are any circumstances where CONCORD is going to open fire on a head of state in their own space? CONCORD's big and all, but fleets of thousands of super-battleships don't build themselves; CONCORD still requires funding by the Empires. They're not going to throw away a quarter of it inciting the entire Amarr Empire to hate them.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7356	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:12:03 - [32] - Quote Vess, the Empress's ship had been scanned a number of times before it had cleared the Emperor Family Station in Amarr. During her appearance last week, she had been rammed repeatedly by Capsuleers who wanted to impede her travel. Last time and this time, I believe pilots had engaged her despite CONCORD rules, simply to make a political statement. Unfortunately, this is a normal situation when a political leader's ship enters space. My issue here is this: Raish's ship was downed under suspect circumstances. While clearly the situation was provocative, he was not clearly hostile, nor aggressive. All I want is more information, to establish what exactly Raish thought he was researching, and why exactly the Empress thought his scans were so much more threatening than anyone else's. Had she stated he was attempting to suborn ship's systems, or had the Empress's ship began to malfunction, then he was obviously a clear and present danger. Were it a Matari attempting novel scans, I would likewise not question the situation. However, failing those things, we're presented with a situation where Raish, a representative of a reputable academic institution, was met with a response disproportionate to his actions. This raises questions. That the Empire loyalists seem intent on completely dismissing my concern is frankly insulting. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 202	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:14:22 - [33] - Quote Goldfinch wrote: The following is our legal opinion. *Conclusion:* Matshi Raish may have been correctly interpreting ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention when considering his intent, but his execution of that intent using an offensive module and incurring a Weapons Flag would be against Yulai Convention rules. The thing is that he was interpriting it correctly as CONCORD did not intervene. Heused his device... whatever more than once and was only set free-for-all after that order. All my Shield Emission Systems along with the drones that were on his ship went offline as soon as that happened. After he said he was done and complied with the order to leave. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 896	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:14:26 - [34] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: All I want is more information, to establish what exactly Raish thought he was researching. The vulnerability of Imperial capital ships to Entosis link cyberwarfare. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Goldfinch House Rkard 193	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:19:21 - [35] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: This hurts my brain. Alright. We have an elder mentor of an organization that runs educational institutions conducting scans in what is essentially a public place, in a Gnosis, on an Avatar. What you're calling an offensive module does no damage, and has no effect on capsuleer ships. I know this, having tested these things extensively. Explain to me how this makes him an assassin who discharged his weapon, a credible threat despite the established fact that CONCORD clearly didn't care. Explain it like I'm five, because your logic is frankly baffling to me now. We are in uncharted space with Drifter Technology. We appreciate your efforts and those of [IKAME] to decipher and determine the capabilities of the Entosis Link. Nonetheless, we may be forced to conclude that your analysis (specifically the test conducted by Ms. Lagann against a Capsuleer ship) must have been incomplete, since it appears the Empress's ship was indeed targeted by Matshi Raish with an Entosis Link, which he subequently discharged. Being that your knowledge of Drifter Technology does not include information that Matshi Raish may have been privy to, it would not be unreasonable to consider the activation of the module as an offensive act. We understand you want to defend this person, but it seems to us that you may not be fully aware of what exactly he was doing. Drifters are the threat to the cluster. They have invaded Amarr Empire en masse and opened fire on allies in view of Emperor Family Academy. Do you consider it prudent to react callously to undocumented, offensive use of their technology? Please do not interpret our statement as a comment on the Empress's identity as a Capsuleer or a clone or any such heretical supposition. veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 406	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:21:20 - [36] - Quote Goldfinch wrote: The following is our legal opinion. Matshi Raish had an Entosis Link equipped on his ship, as per the Kill Report. His ship was also armed to the teeth with offensive modules. Activating an Entosis Link incurs a Weapons Flag Anything that incurs a Weapons Flag is also subject to CONCORD retaliation Matshi Raish is a Capsuleer. He is expected to observe the aggression rules in Hisec as set forth by Yulai Convention articles which also empower CONCORD Matshi Raish quotes a ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. However, we are not aware of any Yulai Convention article that allows a non-CONCORD entity to take an action incurring a Weapons Flag against another non-Criminal flagged entity in High Security Space. Special security precautions are to be expected when a dignitary like the Empress traverses weapons free space. Activating an offensive module (the Entosis Link) would justify an reflexive security response. CONCORD did not retaliate against weapons free offensive action against Matshi Raish's ship, which indicates to us that no Yulai Convention laws were broken by the Empress or any allied ships. *Conclusion:* Matshi Raish may have been correctly interpreting ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention when considering his intent, but his execution of that intent using an offensive module and incurring a Weapons Flag would be against Yulai Convention rules. Thank you for the thorough and insightful legal analysis.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7356	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:24:24 - [37] - Quote As said, suspect circumstances. Had the Amarr opened fire the moment Raish had initiated an Entosis Link, I would have considered it no issue. He was, however, operating that link for several minutes, and had then had declared that he was done. It was at this point that he was engaged. While clearly acting provocatively in a situation like this will result in consequences, and that consequence was the destruction of the Society Gnosis, the entire situation raises questions. Do not brush these questions away arbitrarily. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Deitra Vess Scope Works 487	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:26:51 - [38] - Quote Knowing what he was researching I can understand the desire to know that. Though I do also wonder why as someone of a reputable academy he couldn't request to make these scans. Anyone writing a paper at a scholarly level would have to ask permission to use other peoples work, or to use their equipment. What he did is not the same as if you or I did it, that's absolutely right. Really I don't get why anyone was allowed near her in general.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 558	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:07:09 - [39] - Quote Because with multiple Aeons as an escort, she was in no danger whatsoever from the combined firepower of every subcapital ship present. Apparently, she felt the Entosis Link was a threat - or perhaps the research was.
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 151	Posted - 2015.07.26 00:30:57 - [40] - Quote Goldfinch wrote: Matshi Raish quotes a ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. However, we are not aware of any Yulai Convention article that allows a non-CONCORD entity to take an action incurring a Weapons Flag against another non-Criminal flagged entity in High . Perhaps if CONCORD was more competent and willing to release the documents pertaining to the laws we should be following, miscommunication like this wouldn't happen. Regardless, the Gnosis was no threat to a titan, escorted by a fleet of super carriers and Capsuleers and was retreating at the time of its destruction. They simply could have taken him into custody instead of destroying the vessel, then perhaps they would have someone to interrogate instead of being blind to his intentions. The Empress has a trigger finger not unlike most Capsuleers. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 970	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:19:09 - [41] - Quote Matshi Raish wrote: Empress Jamyl, I say in public that our presence and actions here are lawful under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention authorizes investigation of potential existential threats. The key phrase here is "investigation of potential existential threats". I saw no potential existential threats to anyone on the field today, only Her Imperial Majesty, her escorts, and a hundred or so capsuleers. This would seem to render his quotation of the Yulai Convention void and moot. If the Elder Mentor could explain what existential threat he and the SoCT believes the Empress and/or her ship presents and whom, I would love to hear it. I am sure it would be utter nonsense, but I'd still like to hear his justifications.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7364	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:31:58 - [42] - Quote I wonder, Shutaq, Raholan, if you're perhaps biased in this situation. Raish acted provocatively, absolutely, but he did not attack the Empress any more than a dozen other Capsuleers did once she undocked. How many times did ships intercept hers, collide with hers, scan hers? The Empress reported no damage, no system failures, no fault of any type during the engagement of an Entosis Link. Indeed, Raish was withdrawing when the order to engage was given. Please be sensible about this. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 970	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:37:03 - [43] - Quote A scan produces information. Information can be used as a weapon. Simply put, what he did was espionage. Blatant, audacious secret delving for reasons unknown, not unlike what the Sleepers and Drifters were doing just weeks ago in the Empire. The Empress had just delivered a speech outlining how this was a threat. I think you need to be sensible about this. If I saw you going through the ship schematics on my office desk and your only explanation was 'I think you are dangerous', I'd hit you in the head and escort you out. That is the equivalent of what happened today. You are foolish to believe things could or should have happened any differently.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7366	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:46:39 - [44] - Quote Raish is a spy, an assassin, a thief. These are the comparisons I've heard made today, for an elder mentor of the Society who was withdrawing after having completed his scans. If I were to break into your home and take pictures of you, it'd unprecedented invasion. If you're in public and I take pictures of you there, you have no recourse at all. If the systems aboard a vessel in space are not secure against the scans that CONCORD clearly doesn't consider worthy of a supect tag, then they are near enough to public. Let me present you a situation. Shakor is in space, convoying between Rens and Hek for the purpose of delivering a celebratory pony. Between those points, a Sisters of EVE vessel appears at one of the waypoints and, unsolicited, initiates unknown scans on Shakor's ship, saying simply. "These are legal and I have reasons." Shakor destroys the Sister ship. Would you not then say that this was another sign of his warmongering? Let me present a less hypothetical situation. Admiral Yanala is in low orbit over Caldari Prime. A CONCORD vessel appears in low orbit over the planet, and initiates scans, saying that the captain is within his rights to scan the planet. Yanala destroys the CONCORD ship. Is Yanala not then at least a little bit responsible for what follows? Frankly, Shutaq, you're as well as blind on this matter. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 5448	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:49:34 - [45] - Quote Kahar Dex wrote: He was warned several times. He was asked to state his intentions, for which he did not give adequate response. For all we know, it was a security breach, or the Mentor may have had devious plans with the information acquired from his scans. The Empress is in far greater knowledge of the affairs of the Empire than any of us. Let none presume. Ignoring several warnings, and refusing to state intentions, his scans could have compromised sensitive military data or sensitive Imperial information pertinent to the security of Amarr. Furthermore using entosis links, which are known for their mind-controlled based technology reverse engineered from Drifters. It was a threat. Plain and simple. He violated no laws and was not required to comply with orders from the Imperial Navy since he was operating under CONCORD jurisdiction, as all capsuleers do. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Sinjin Mokk Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 316	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:57:28 - [46] - Quote Why is this even a debate? The EMPRESS OF AMARR made a decision to remove a threat to her person in Amarr space. She owes none of you an explanation. If you're Amarr, you should have no questions regarding her actions. If you're not Amarr, this was an internal security matter and quite frankly, none of your damn business. If after these words, you still have a problem, take it up with CONCORD because in their lack of action or statement they have sanctioned this. I hope I've clarified this. Thank you and let's all try to have a better tomorrow. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Michael Pawlicki Aliastra Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:58:10 - [47] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Onzo, Elder Mentor Matshi Raish provided you with that himself. To quote: Matshi Raish > Empress Jamyl, I say in public that our presence and actions here are lawful under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. And which section of it allows for the use of entosis links on our Empress' vessel? What existential threat was she? Maybe he was confirming if she was one. That bodes ill.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 18842	Posted - 2015.07.26 01:58:18 - [48] - Quote We seem to be ignoring the fact that a device similar to an Entosis Link was utilized; there is no mechanism susceptible to Entosis within any ships that we fly - much less capsules. The only explanation for this exhibited usage is that the Empress possesses something that can either route or contain an infomorph, separate from the standard bodies we use as capsuleers. This is a strange possibility, and one that would hold curious consequences if expanded upon. There is something to the Empress that we don't know; the Society, however, knows something more. Matshi Raish wrote: Very well, we have learned what we needed to learn. If the Empress is an "Existential threat", then we had best be prepared for whatever may come next. Matshi Raish and the Society know more than we do concerning these emergent threats, and we had best pay attention to every event in order to understand more ourselves. Knowledge is our most powerful ally. -Uriel "A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ- GPƒ *U-Ç+¬ß¦ç-ƒ's Sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å*
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 970	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:00:41 - [49] - Quote The leader of a sovereign nation is obliged to act and order as they see fit within their own nation. Simply put, the entire Empire is the Empress's home, just as the Republic is Shakor's home and Caldari Prime is Yanala's de jure (though, alas, not de facto) home. Yes, Shakor would be within his legal rights to fire upon the Sisters ship. The example with Admiral Yanala, God rest her soul, is a more complicated matter, but I would argue that yes, she has the right to refuse scans from CONCORD. They constitute a search of property, a violation of privacy, and a potential hostile act as the information gained can be used to compromise the security of the individual and ship scanned. I am not biased in this regard. But yes, I am a citizen of the Empire and I have sworn to uphold and protect the Empire and all of its facets, the Empress especially. Do you seriously expect me, or anyone else who considers themselves an Imperial loyalist, to refuse an order from the Empress herself? Imperial law applies in Imperial space. The Empress's word is Imperial law. CONCORD has no right to dictate what she does, as CONCORD treaty also includes allowances for national sovereignty. The only potential clause that might have saved the Elder Mentor fro, legal recourse was the codicil he quoted but conveniently neglected to explain just who was threatened and how. There was no clear justification for Matshi Raish's actions. The Empire took offense to his undiplomatic actions. We took our own undiplomatic actions in return. Deal with it.
Michael Pawlicki Aliastra Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:03:58 - [50] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: We seem to be ignoring the fact that a device similar to an Entosis Link was utilized; there is no mechanism susceptible to Entosis within any ships that we fly - much less capsules. The only explanation for this exhibited usage is that the Empress possesses something that can either route or contain an infomorph, separate from the standard bodies we use as capsuleers. This is a strange possibility, and one that would hold curious consequences if expanded upon. There is something to the Empress that we don't know; the Society, however, knows something more. Matshi Raish wrote: Very well, we have learned what we needed to learn. If the Empress is an "Existential threat", then we had best be prepared for whatever may come next. I'd very much like to go down and see what the Society has to say, in addition to a massive apology to Mentor Raish for my assisting in destroying his vessel.

Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 559	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:05:17 - [51] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: A scan produces information. Information can be used as a weapon. Simply put, what he did was espionage. Blatant, audacious secret delving for reasons unknown, not unlike what the Sleepers and Drifters were doing just weeks ago in the Empire. The Empress had just delivered a speech outlining how this was a threat. You know... 'Blatant' and 'audacious', I'll give you, but considering he did it in plain sight of everyone there... it was hardly 'secret delving'. We know that the Circadian Seekers can use Entosis links on ships. They scanned The Game is Rigged more than once in ED-L9T before she was destroyed. So obviously, the Society's got a better grasp on this tech than we do. That's hardly shocking - the Society has had Jovian backing, and this tech is blatantly ripped off from the Jovians. We've all been scanned by it at some point. I've seen titans scanned, no ill-effects. Anything they were going to find on a regular Avatar, I have to assume the Society already knows about. So what were they looking for? Because whatever it was, she didn't order him executed until he told her he'd gotten it. And if all he needed was the answer to a yes/no question, like 'Do the Amarr know how to use X technology yet?' then killing a capsuleer's meatsuit doesn't exactly prevent that answer from getting passed back. So why even bother?
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7372	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:09:58 - [52] - Quote The law, Shutaq, is generally that anything observable from a public space does not require special permissions. The volume within which a public event is occurring is, by necessity, a public space. Essentially, if the SOCT is normally permitted to be in that space, then they are permitted to observe what occurs in that space. The novel use of an Entosis Link evidently constitutes an observation. As regards the situation, no, I'd never ask you to refuse the Empress's order. I'd ask you to admit that this is damned strange, and that while Raish acted provocatively, the Empress may possibly have acted disproportionately. Evidently that's beyond you. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 220	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:12:55 - [53] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Raish is a spy, an assassin, a thief. These are the comparisons I've heard made today, for an elder mentor of the Society who was withdrawing after having completed his scans. If I were to break into your home and take pictures of you, it'd unprecedented invasion. If you're in public and I take pictures of you there, you have no recourse at all. If the systems aboard a vessel in space are not secure against the scans that CONCORD clearly doesn't consider worthy of a supect tag, then they are near enough to public. Let me present you a situation. Shakor is in space, convoying between Rens and Hek for the purpose of delivering a celebratory pony. Between those points, a Sisters of EVE vessel appears at one of the waypoints and, unsolicited, initiates unknown scans on Shakor's ship, saying simply. "These are legal and I have reasons." Shakor destroys the Sister ship. Would you not then say that this was another sign of his warmongering? And risk the life and health of the pony? Spirits below, that's KoS offense. Like I've said elsewhere, it frankly doesn't matter to me if this was legal or not. I'm reasonably sure he broke no laws and it was thus an unprovoked murder of his crew, but it doesn't really matter. The biggest guns determine who gets to do what on a field, and in this case the firepower favored the Empress. I'm more interested in finding out what got her **** in a twist, because it was quite obviously no danger to her ship or crew as he was already leaving. This implies that him getting away with whatever scan data he has was the real threat. If the Tribal leaders started murdering people over being scanned in public, I'd start having some very pointed questions for them about what they have to hide and I would be hard-pressed not to demand answers, pony or not. Of course, I don't tend to fall to my knees and lose sight of any human being's capacity to be a bastard just because they become a head of state, so I guess I can't relate to the Amarrian side of things.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 18842	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:16:07 - [54] - Quote And indeed, the fact that the attack order was called after Elder Mentor Raish had completed his operation is curious; what did he do to the Empress? The beam he utilized was beyond that of the Entosis link fitted to his ship. In fact, its effect was identical to that of the Seeker and Drifter mechanisms that the Links were derived from. I have loyalty to the Society; I wish to know why they have taken such strange and direct action. "A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ- GPƒ *U-Ç+¬ß¦ç-ƒ's Sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å*
Sinjin Mokk Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 316	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:24:22 - [55] - Quote Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote: And indeed, the fact that the attack order was called after Elder Mentor Raish had completed his operation is curious; what did he do to the Empress? The beam he utilized was beyond that of the Entosis link fitted to his ship. In fact, its effect was identical to that of the Seeker and Drifter mechanisms that the Links were derived from. I have loyalty to the Society; I wish to know why they have taken such strange and direct action. Look above for your answer. And ask CONCORD. The EMPRESS does not answer to you. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 5448	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:25:02 - [56] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Why is this even a debate? The EMPRESS OF AMARR made a decision to remove a threat to her person in Amarr space. She owes none of you an explanation. The Amarr Empire is a CONCORD signatory. Just because you people believe that an invisible supreme being for whose evidence there exists no serious scientific proof allows certain people among your number to do pretty much whatever you wish doesn't mean that you can go about violating CONCORD's charter on a whim here in the real world. And let's face it, if this had been anyone else - Shakor or Roden, in particular - the Empire would be clamouring for blood. Also, Mokk, a personal note - you probably shut the hell up whenever matters of the Empire are afoot. Don't think your alleged sudden rediscovery of your roots excuses your tenure with the Angel Cartel. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 562	Posted - 2015.07.26 02:36:47 - [57] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Why is this even a debate? The EMPRESS OF AMARR made a decision to remove a threat to her person in Amarr space. She owes none of you an explanation. Because she ain't even given me my bloody coffee yet! I sent the invoice hours ago, it doesn't take that long to sent an order in to the cafe in YA0 station.
Lord Kailethre Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 189	Posted - 2015.07.26 03:13:48 - [58] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Sinjin Mokk wrote: Why is this even a debate? The EMPRESS OF AMARR made a decision to remove a threat to her person in Amarr space. She owes none of you an explanation. Because she ain't even given me my bloody coffee yet! I sent the invoice hours ago, it doesn't take that long to sent an order in to the cafe in YA0 station. You're really craving that caffeine, aren't you?
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 564	Posted - 2015.07.26 03:21:09 - [59] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: You're really craving that caffeine, aren't you? It's the principle of the thing! Principally... cuz yeah, I am. Stupid joneses....
Rivr Luzade Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi 1686	Posted - 2015.07.26 05:36:59 - [60] - Quote Since when is activating an Entosis Link on any object "mere scanning"? It is an aggressive act, targeted at compromising a ship's, station's or otherwise system's integrity and to gain control over or allow others to take control over it. Every Null sec empire, small or large, pretty much agrees on that and reactions partially brutal force to any other capsuleer trying that on their structures. And Mentor Raish did attack her Empress' ship more than 4 times despite formal, polite requests to cease and desist. I find this hypocrisy highly pathetic. Station Tab :: UI Improvement Collective



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