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Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1229	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:36:19 - [1] - Quote Why...?
Avio Yaken Scope Works 2115	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:43:22 - [2] - Quote Who knows...What we do know is that whatever happened is beyond suspicious... Also...He activated a Entosis link on a Titan...didn't someone report that it was impossible to activate the link on any ship? (.___________________________________________.)/
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 525	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:45:01 - [3] - Quote He was ordered several times to disengage and leave. Several. Times. One doesn't go up to President to give him a high five in the street and expect the security detail not to do something no? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7354	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:46:54 - [4] - Quote This is likewise a concern. Elder Mentor Raish had simply been scanning. While scans are usually frowned upon, he had already desisted, and was moving away at highest speed. What's more, he was no closer than any other ship in the area, and there were dozens if not hundreds of ships in the area. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 214	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:51:01 - [5] - Quote So in short, it was more important for her Imperial Witchiness to prevent him from getting away with the scan data (which he obtained in accordance with the Yulai Convention) than at least pretending to comply with international laws and accords. This isn't suspicious at all and we should all stop asking questions, surely. At least her claim that we will never dare set foot there again was quite simply disproven as we came, spoke and then delivered token gifts to the graveyard. With honor and a crooked smile as Aldrith was quick to fire upon us. I hope the symbolism doesn't require further explanation.
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 525	Posted - 2015.07.25 20:55:33 - [6] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: So in short, it was more important for her Imperial Witchiness to prevent him from getting away with the scan data (which he obtained in accordance with the Yulai Convention) than at least pretending to comply with international laws and accords. This isn't suspicious at all and we should all stop asking questions, surely. At least her claim that we will never dare set foot there again was quite simply disproven as we came, spoke and then delivered token gifts to the graveyard. With honor and a crooked smile as Aldrith was quick to fire upon us. I hope the symbolism doesn't require further explanation. Please provide me the CONCORD law that allows one to use what appears to be an Entosis link on a Sovereign CONCORD Signatory's Leader's vessel. Simpy, saying somethign was legal doesn't make it so. If CONCORD come back, and say it violated some treaty then I'll continue to retort that it was Amarr Space, and they were ordered to stop several times. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7354	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:02:54 - [7] - Quote Onzo, Elder Mentor Matshi Raish provided you with that himself. To quote: Matshi Raish > Empress Jamyl, I say in public that our presence and actions here are lawful under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 525	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:04:13 - [8] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Onzo, Elder Mentor Matshi Raish provided you with that himself. To quote: Matshi Raish > Empress Jamyl, I say in public that our presence and actions here are lawful under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. And which section of it allows for the use of entosis links on our Empress' vessel? What existential threat was she? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7354	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:09:31 - [9] - Quote I'd say you'd have to ask Raish that question, Onzo. I'm not a legal scholar. However, I suspect Raish was knowledgeable. What's more, I can verify that he's dedicated to obeying the dictates of the Convention. When IKAME was under threat of DED reprisal, he was the first one I contacted to seek sanctuary for our personnel. He stated both alarm and opposition, but that "we are also bound by interstellar law, and cannot be party to any activity deemed to be illegal or a risk to interstellar security." Were it a Matari pilot with a grudge operating the link, I'd not contest the issue at all. However, Elder Mentor Raish was by no means a firebrand or a terrorist, but a scholar gathering data on something that concerned him. I had been intending to offer her imperial majesty a gift of Drifter Hive Elements as a token of good will. Now, I'm glad the gift wasn't given, as the actions of today are questionable. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Che Biko Alexylva Paradox 770	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:18:35 - [10] - Quote Did anyone else scan the Titan? Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate

Kahar Dex Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 144	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:20:38 - [11] - Quote He was warned several times. He was asked to state his intentions, for which he did not give adequate response. For all we know, it was a security breach, or the Mentor may have had devious plans with the information acquired from his scans. The Empress is in far greater knowledge of the affairs of the Empire than any of us. Let none presume. Ignoring several warnings, and refusing to state intentions, his scans could have compromised sensitive military data or sensitive Imperial information pertinent to the security of Amarr. Furthermore using entosis links, which are known for their mind-controlled based technology reverse engineered from Drifters. It was a threat. Plain and simple. His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
Utari Onzo Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 526	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:20:58 - [12] - Quote Che Biko wrote: Did anyone else scan the Titan? It's not just the scanning, it was an Entosis link was used on a vessel. I've never seen that take place before. To think what they're capable of against structures, and for it to be used against the Empress' own vessel.. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 202	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:24:03 - [13] - Quote Disclaimer: this message does not represent corporate policy in any way and is my own statement. Capsuleer ships. In close vicinity to the empress. They eagerly destroyed the fleeing science vessel as soon as they understood that there will be no repercussions from CONCORD. Jamyl Sarum has violated the international law of CONCORD, the same law that the Amarr Empire has sworn to uphold. She issued an order that violated the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention, which authorizes investigation of potential existential threats. She was warned that the SOCT vessel was operating under this law by Elder Mentor Matshi Raish. Matshi Raish wrote: Empress Jamyl, I say in public that our presence and actions here are lawful under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention authorizes investigation of potential existential threats. This is an outrage. This is unacceptable. You know who places themselves above everyone else? Above the laws? Criminals. Murderers. Scum that terrorizes the population of our cluster. Sometimes laws must be neglected for the protection of others, for the cliche of "greater good". Was this such a case? Then who was right in this particular case? I call for a public investigation of this diplomatic incedent. This must not be hushed under the carpet. That said, I offer a reward for the return of the corpse of Elder Mentor Raish. The bounty is a full set of elements retrieved from Drifter Hives: Barbican, Conflux, Redoubt, Sentinel, Vidette. Best regards, Jaret Victorian. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Che Biko Alexylva Paradox 770	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:24:20 - [14] - Quote I'd still like to know. Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7354	Posted - 2015.07.25 21:34:12 - [15] - Quote Dex, Vamai was relaying Raish's communications. Let me clip those together. "We are investigating potential existential threats under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. Our activities are lawful and essential. I repeat the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention authorizes investigation of potential existential threats." "Empress Jamyl, I say in public that our presence and actions here are lawful under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention." Dex, Onzo, I am not Amarr. I am Caldari. The State has been a dedicated ally of the Empire for decades. However, we are not Imperial subjects. To that end, waving off concern about the Empress Jamyl's actions with statements about how a Society elder mentor looked scary and was doing scary scanning that could mean he was a boogeyman belittles our intelligence and dismisses our concerns. If the Empire is subject to CONCORD's laws, which it clearly is, then the Imperial fleet fired on a ship that had every right to be where it was. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5371	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:05:24 - [16] - Quote To be honest, if the Head of state tells you to stop, you damn well stop if you're in her space. Nobody should be allowed to ride roughshod over the sovereignty of a people, certainly not because of something as vague as an opinion on what is and is not an 'existential threat to the cluster'. The SOCT ship was free to use it's regular scanners - it chose to use it's weird ass Entosis link instead. And it was warned. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 896	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:07:34 - [17] - Quote An unauthorised ship activating a cyberwarfare device on the ship carrying a head of state. Hardly surprising that the Navy didn't like that. And everyone's losing their minds. But it was ~harmless~ is the cry. And how do you know that it was harmless ? Prove it was not an attempt to disable the Empress's vessel, such that it could be attacked. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7355	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:15:03 - [18] - Quote Tuulinen-haan, Valate, you're both forgetting one thing. The ship was downed after it was done. It scanned, it scanned some more, and it was headed away from the ship. Timestamps and all: [20:13:17] Matshi Raish > Very well, we have learned what we needed to learn. [20:13:37] Jamyl Sarum I > Mentor Raish, you leave me no choice. [20:13:50] Jamyl Sarum I > Amarr Navy escort, engage at will. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5371	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:23:40 - [19] - Quote So? I used to catch thieves who had finished thieving all the time. Generally speaking, we mostly punish people after they've finished doing wrong. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 202	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:27:47 - [20] - Quote To be completely honest you don't see a word combination "existential threat" plus a codicil of some probably long forgotten law waved by scientists at a head of a state. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 896	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:28:22 - [21] - Quote Prove that it wasn't a cyberwarfare attack, that had knocked some of the ship's systems offline. Did the Empress open fire herself ? Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 202	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:33:09 - [22] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Prove that it wasn't a cyberwarfare attack, that had knocked some of the ship's systems offline. Did the Empress open fire herself ? Soil herself with some heathen? Please. How about they prove they didn't have some Entosis Link receiver onboard? I don't know. Recent tests show that Entosis Link does not even activate on other ships. Only Drifters can do that to others and as far as I remember they do not leave their shps intact when they explode. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet! When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7355	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:33:35 - [23] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: So? I used to catch thieves who had finished thieving all the time. Generally speaking, we mostly punish people after they've finished doing wrong. The refrain from the Empire so far has been 'clear and present danger,' but he ceases to be a danger the moment he's leaving. All of these cries of 'threat to the Empress' hold no value if he's already headed away. What's more, it doesn't sound as if Raish was looking for state secrets, or secret ways to undermine the Empress. Maker help me, he's Society. They're academics, not assassins. Frankly, all this does is make me wonder what he's looking for. And to be honest, Tuulinen, I'm going to side with the person who seeks knowledge in most cases. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 896	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:43:12 - [24] - Quote A thousand years ago, the Imperial Guard shot and killed a thief who had stolen one of the then Empress Consort's undergarments. He was heading away from the palace, and was thus no threat to the Empress. Makes you wonder what he was looking for, doesn't it ? Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Goldfinch House Rkard 190	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:45:59 - [25] - Quote The following is our legal opinion. Matshi Raish had an Entosis Link equipped on his ship, as per the Kill Report. His ship was also armed to the teeth with offensive modules. Activating an Entosis Link incurs a Weapons Flag Anything that incurs a Weapons Flag is also subject to CONCORD retaliation Matshi Raish is a Capsuleer. He is expected to observe the aggression rules in Hisec as set forth by Yulai Convention articles which also empower CONCORD Matshi Raish quotes a ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention. However, we are not aware of any Yulai Convention article that allows a non-CONCORD entity to take an action incurring a Weapons Flag against another non-Criminal flagged entity in High Security Space. Special security precautions are to be expected when a dignitary like the Empress traverses weapons free space. Activating an offensive module (the Entosis Link) would justify an reflexive security response. CONCORD did not retaliate against weapons free offensive action against Matshi Raish's ship, which indicates to us that no Yulai Convention laws were broken by the Empress or any allied ships. *Conclusion:* Matshi Raish may have been correctly interpreting ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention when considering his intent, but his execution of that intent using an offensive module and incurring a Weapons Flag would be against Yulai Convention rules. veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7355	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:46:00 - [26] - Quote Detain, try, execute according to the law. Or does the rule of law not apply, when the Empress disagrees with the Yulai Convention? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Goldfinch House Rkard 190	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:50:44 - [27] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Detain, try, execute according to the law. Or does the rule of law not apply, when the Empress disagrees with the Yulai Convention? An assassin cannot have any reasonable expectation of detention and trial in a volatile situation where his would-be target is not secured by their protection detail, and he has already discharged a weapon. veiled and bound my origin story (on R109)
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7356	Posted - 2015.07.25 22:58:09 - [28] - Quote This hurts my brain. Alright. We have an elder mentor of an organization that runs educational institutions conducting scans in what is essentially a public place, in a Gnosis, on an Avatar. What you're calling an offensive module does no damage, and has no effect on capsuleer ships. I know this, having tested these things extensively. Explain to me how this makes him an assassin who discharged his weapon, a credible threat despite the established fact that CONCORD clearly didn't care. Explain it like I'm five, because your logic is frankly baffling to me now. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Deitra Vess Scope Works 485	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:04:08 - [29] - Quote What kind of idiot would think approaching any military ship unannounced, never mind the empress, during a public speech is a good idea? Who cares what she's hiding I just find how trusting the imperial navy was as suspect. Is that not a little strange or am I the only one who finds their weak security odd?
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 2446	Posted - 2015.07.25 23:05:25 - [30] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: This hurts my brain. Alright. We have an elder mentor of an organization that runs educational institutions Boy, are you naive.



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